Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Rainbow Kid

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Homosexuals don’t usually choose to do so because they usually don’t want to be married to members of the opposite sex.
Neither does a straightie want to marry a gay person
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So now that we're organized; what do we do?

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Please keep the hate language to yourself.
You have no logical argument to address the basic essence of marriage. Instead, you try to leap frog over the facts, and dumb down marriage to a friendship and impose it by a twirl of the law.
The end result? The closer this silly imposition gets to reality, they more it's fake identity is exposed.
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I was told I could not have my son because I was a homosexual, but I am not a homosexual. Does this violate my civil liberties? Who are the best gay rights advocates in Illinois? They should have a parade where I live. If they are going after people they wrongfully think are gay, I know they are going after real homosexuals.
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so gays want what straight people already have right? impossible until scientists make it possible for them to bear children. sorry you guys will have to live in sin until then. waa, we cant be married waaa

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Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the Supreme Court. This applies only to humans, not to trees.

Everyone qualifies for fundamental rights by virtue of being alive, though a fundamental right may be denied or delayed, but only if the government can demonstrate a compelling and legitimate government interest for doing so.

Procreation ability, intent, or even desire has never been a requirement for marriage, yet is often offered as an excuse to deny equality, ignoring that gay people do raise children both biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment provides nothing to opposite sex couples, while harming same sex couples needlessly. For these reasons the procreation excuse is irrational.

Prejudice and tradition also fail to qualify as legitimate governmental interests sufficient for denial of equal treatment as required by the 5th and 14th amendments.

“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
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so gays want what straight people already have right? impossible until scientists make it possible for them to bear children. sorry you guys will have to live in sin until then. waa, we cant be married waaa
Well golly G-Wiz buddy! I wasn't aware that procreation was a requirement of marriage? Who knew! I guess all those older married couples who can't have kids and couples who decide not to have children will NO longer be allowed to Wed anymore! Now see how stupid you sound? Bone head!

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Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the Supreme Court. This applies only to humans, not to trees.
Everyone qualifies for fundamental rights by virtue of being alive, though a fundamental right may be denied or delayed, but only if the government can demonstrate a compelling and legitimate government interest for doing so.
Procreation ability, intent, or even desire has never been a requirement for marriage, yet is often offered as an excuse to deny equality, ignoring that gay people do raise children both biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment provides nothing to opposite sex couples, while harming same sex couples needlessly. For these reasons the procreation excuse is irrational.
Prejudice and tradition also fail to qualify as legitimate governmental interests sufficient for denial of equal treatment as required by the 5th and 14th amendments.
“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
You dishonesty is exposed;

SCOTUS affirmed marriage BECAUSE of procreation.

Why is that deception necessary for your argument.

I never said marriage applies to trees. I used the procreation of trees or the lack thereof as an analogy to the procreation or lack thereof with humans.

You know that, but again used deceitful gay twirl to avoid dealing with reality.

Why is that necessary for a legitimate position?

Honest minds want to know. Is that too much for you???

Snicker.

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KiMare wrote:
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Honest minds want to know. Is that too much for you???
Honest minds don't talk about fruits and nuts, and then claim that they're being clever.

Why do you refuse to listen to internal lesbian?
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so gays want what straight people already have right? impossible until scientists make it possible for them to bear children. sorry you guys will have to live in sin until then. waa, we cant be married waaa
Gays do not have abortions
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Gays do not use birth control
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Gays do not have accidental pregnancies
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Gays 'do' have absolute control over our baby making process without the need for straight people or sorry-ass homophobes; sugar
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Honest minds don't talk about fruits and nuts, and then claim that they're being clever.
Why do you refuse to listen to internal lesbian?
The factless QUEEN listens to HIS internal lesbian every day, thus explaining his whiny little bitch posts!(S)he is "stamping her wittle feeties" as she reads my post hammering factless' bitchy "wittle" ass this very minute!!

LMFAO!!!

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The factless QUEEN....
LMFAO!!!
Calling kimare a factless queen is pretty bitchy.

I love it.

His posts are as barren as my mangina.
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Nothing legal about being gay.

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No US law has ever required procreation ability or intent for marriage.

Several SCOTUS cases affirm procreation is not a requirement for the fundamental right of marriage to remain a fundamental right. Whether or not to procreate is a private decision, beyond the proper reach of the government, and independant of marriage:

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974):“This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977)(plurality):“[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977):“[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978):“[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987):“[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[] of emotional support and public commitment.”
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lanned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996):“Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
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If you want the same rights.....
Then start acting the same way as US!!!!!!
What, like hillbilly Paris trash?? Sorry, unclear on your meaning. LOL.

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If you want the same rights.....
Then start acting the same way as US!!!!!!
you want us all to act tedious and boring?

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No US law has ever required procreation ability or intent for marriage.
Several SCOTUS cases affirm procreation is not a requirement for the fundamental right of marriage to remain a fundamental right. Whether or not to procreate is a private decision, beyond the proper reach of the government, and independant of marriage:
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974):“This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977)(plurality):“[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977):“[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978):“[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987):“[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[] of emotional support and public commitment.”
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lanned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996):“Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
As you are well aware but deceitfully leave out, all these cases reference these decisions.

Please, post those in fairness, otherwise you disgrace your position.

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KiMare wrote:
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As you are well aware but deceitfully leave out, all these cases reference these decisions.
Please, post those in fairness, otherwise you disgrace your position.
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Which part of "intimate and personal choice" are you unclear on? These matters are matters of choice; there is no requirement to breed. If there's no requirement to breed how can you possibly continue to claim that marriage rights are about progeny?

I've never bred, but someday soon your wife will leave you and marry me. Yes, we'll have to leave the state, but she wants to get out of Hooterville anyway.

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Procreation is a private decision which does not alter the fundamental right of the individual to marriage. No procreation intent, or even ability, is required, as made clear in Turner and others.

"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages. Such denial does nothing to promote stability in heterosexual parenting. Rather, it "prevents children of same-sex couples from enjoying the immeasurable advantages that flow from the assurance of a stable family structure, when afforded equal recognition under federal law.

Moreover, an interest in encouraging responsible procreation plainly cannot provide a rational basis upon which to exclude same-sex marriages from federal recognition because, as Justice Scalia pointed out, the ability to procreate is not now, nor has it ever been, a precondition to marriage in any state in the country. Indeed, "the sterile and the elderly" have never been denied the right to marry by any of the fifty states. And the federal government has never considered denying recognition to marriage based on an ability or inability to procreate.

Similarly, Congress' asserted interest in defending and nurturing heterosexual marriage is not "grounded in sufficient factual context for this court to ascertain some relation" between it and the classification DOMA effects.

What remains, therefore, is the possibility that Congress sought to deny recognition to same-sex marriages in order to make heterosexual marriage appear more valuable or desirable. But the extent that this was the goal, Congress has achieved it "only by punishing same-sex couples who exercise their rights under state law." And this the Constitution does not permit. "For if the constitutional conception of 'equal protection of the laws' means anything, it must at the very least mean" that the Constitution will not abide such "a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group."

Neither does the Constitution allow Congress to sustain DOMA by reference to the objective of defending traditional notions of morality. As the Supreme Court made abundantly clear in Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans, "the fact that the governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law..."
http://docfiles.justia.com/cases/federal/dist...
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Procreation is a private decision which does not alter the fundamental right of the individual to marriage. No procreation intent, or even ability, is required, as made clear in Turner and others.
"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages. Such denial does nothing to promote stability in heterosexual parenting. Rather, it "prevents children of same-sex couples from enjoying the immeasurable advantages that flow from the assurance of a stable family structure, when afforded equal recognition under federal law.
Moreover, an interest in encouraging responsible procreation plainly cannot provide a rational basis upon which to exclude same-sex marriages from federal recognition because, as Justice Scalia pointed out, the ability to procreate is not now, nor has it ever been, a precondition to marriage in any state in the country. Indeed, "the sterile and the elderly" have never been denied the right to marry by any of the fifty states. And the federal government has never considered denying recognition to marriage based on an ability or inability to procreate.
Similarly, Congress' asserted interest in defending and nurturing heterosexual marriage is not "grounded in sufficient factual context for this court to ascertain some relation" between it and the classification DOMA effects.
What remains, therefore, is the possibility that Congress sought to deny recognition to same-sex marriages in order to make heterosexual marriage appear more valuable or desirable. But the extent that this was the goal, Congress has achieved it "only by punishing same-sex couples who exercise their rights under state law." And this the Constitution does not permit. "For if the constitutional conception of 'equal protection of the laws' means anything, it must at the very least mean" that the Constitution will not abide such "a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group."
Neither does the Constitution allow Congress to sustain DOMA by reference to the objective of defending traditional notions of morality. As the Supreme Court made abundantly clear in Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans, "the fact that the governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law..."
http://docfiles.justia.com/cases/federal/dist...
Why don't you post the SCOTUS decisions yours are based on?

Isn't that dishonest?

What are you afraid of?

Isn't the oath, "The truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth"?

Smile.

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