Gay bashing thrives in Jamaica, homosexuality seen as sin

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Blacktigershark

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K. I did not say ''ALL'' i only said jamaicans. And that can be interpreted as some jamaicans or the stereotypical reactions from the jamaican MEDIA(high power,representatives).
Its ridiculous to say ''ALL'' jamaicans behave this way towards homosexuals because it is not TRUE. I tell the truth so why would i say that?
Besides, i was ONLY reffering this to the jamaican media along with their followers who behave harshly on homosexuals.
Not defending homosexual by the way. Just saying that its hypocritical that SOME jamaicans abuse homosexuals strictly because it is a sin and not pay attention to other sinful behaviours such as fornication which is big in jamaica too.
The key to not being viewed as a stereotypical bigot, is to AVOID placing statements out there that can be interpreted as general statements that can envelop a WHOLE group of people unfairly...before you try to defend yourself in your next post to me (I know how you LOVE to get the last word in), take a SECOND look at your previous statement that I initially responded to! In your statement, you did not SPECIFY that SOME Jamaicans are prone to persecuting homosexuals, while ignoring other faults like fornication and bearing children out of wedlock. To be fair, you never said ALL Jamaicans either...though you are somewhat intelligent, right? I hope so, so that is why I don't suppose you will try to further defend your above statement, seeing how your statement can be taken to envelop ALL Jamaicans in one category, while not even using the word ALL. It would be appreciated, if you are as smart as I deem you to be, to think twice about what you are posting (proof-read your statements, girl!) before you post it. I don't think that you are a bigot, but if you continue to make statements like the one that you posted earlier, it would be hard to distinguish you from the other bigots on this forum!

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The key to not being viewed as a stereotypical bigot, is to AVOID placing statements out there that can be interpreted as general statements that can envelop a WHOLE group of people unfairly...before you try to defend yourself in your next post to me (I know how you LOVE to get the last word in), take a SECOND look at your previous statement that I initially responded to! In your statement, you did not SPECIFY that SOME Jamaicans are prone to persecuting homosexuals, while ignoring other faults like fornication and bearing children out of wedlock. To be fair, you never said ALL Jamaicans either...though you are somewhat intelligent, right? I hope so, so that is why I don't suppose you will try to further defend your above statement, seeing how your statement can be taken to envelop ALL Jamaicans in one category, while not even using the word ALL. It would be appreciated, if you are as smart as I deem you to be, to think twice about what you are posting (proof-read your statements, girl!) before you post it. I don't think that you are a bigot, but if you continue to make statements like the one that you posted earlier, it would be hard to distinguish you from the other bigots on this forum!
You said i said ''ALL'' thanks for noticing your HYPOCRISY of false accussing people of what they did not say.

As i said ''jamaicans'' can be interpreted as SOME OR ALL. And in my case, i might SOME. You LOVE arguing don't ya?
Blacktigershark

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You said i said ''ALL'' thanks for noticing your HYPOCRISY of false accussing people of what they did not say.
As i said ''jamaicans'' can be interpreted as SOME OR ALL. And in my case, i might SOME. You LOVE arguing don't ya?
I like to point out flaws to those that come off as bigots. I see in your case, rather than you saying,'Whoops! I see how my statement could be taken out of context...I should have INCLUDED the word "SOME" in my statement, because that was what I meant', you want to argue about how you meant to convey to the masses that "SOME" Jamaicans are capable of the things you mentioned, and not "ALL"...nice save, Bigottellerxxx!

Let me ask you something, Bigottellerxxx...where did I say that you used the word "ALL" in your statement? I do recall saying in summation that in the absence of using definitive words in a general statement (like "SOME" or "MANY" or "MOST" for examples), a statement can come across as a general statement that serves to envelop a WHOLE group of people, when you don't use definitive words in order to separate some people from the rest! This is the message, and this is what you have to understand, before the moniker Bigottellerxxx happens to stick to you, girl! Get your head right...stop arguing, and recognize your mistakes, humble yourself, convey what you meant to say, and apologize! It's not a hard thing to do, girl...that's what REAL PEOPLE do! Not everyone is right all the time...you are NO EXCEPTION!

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I think the government should give gay marriage rights..
Blacktigershark

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Apr 23, 2012
 
Guess that this can't be believed either, Tom, huh? I suppose that there are LGBT citizens in Jamaica that attack other LGBT citizens on a daily basis...Even MORE SO than bigots in Jamaica attack LGBT citizens, yo...I wonder why you cannot acknowledge that, Tom?

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Woman-cop...
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Don't believe "BlackTigerShark". You should look up what Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch has to say about Jamaica.
There ARE a few Jamaicans who don't abuse or support abuse of LGBT Jamaicans, but they are largely silent.
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I went to St Thomas once which is a U.S. territory. What's really weird there is that while the steering wheels on vehicles are on the left, as in the mainland U.S., they drive on the left hand side of the road ! Confusing !
first off yu sound stupid, wat makes yu saysuch things cuz yal eat spanish rice and beans all dayand yal are pussy please just cuz they dntwant gays there dnt make them less of a person ok they smoke weed we dnt want gay ppl there god mad adam and eve not adam an steve
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Resist Ignorance wrote:
I won't need to be reminded to never visit Jamaica. My (gay) teenage son and I used to visit the two Jamaican restaurants in town frequently. We loved the food. I was even upset when Publix quit carrying those Jamaican meat pies that we loved. Then I read a previous Topix thread, "To be gay in Jamaica is to be dead" and started doing a little research on homophobia there. Yes, most of the time homophobic beatings and killings are condoned or even conducted by the police there.
Well, it may be a beautiful place but, I have no intention of ever going there or of ever eating in a Jamaican restaurant again!
In the U.S., our heroes are people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. In Jamaica it's the dope smoking Rastafarian, Bob Marley! Go figure.
You talk about ignorance, yet you ignore the ignorance in your own country. I have to laugh when you make mention of George Washington being an American hero, because he was also viewed as a thief, a traitor to Britain, a pirate, and a criminal. George Washington is a founding father of America...congratulations. I suppose that George Washington having children out of wedlock, taking advantage of female servants on his property, and other such transgressions are also viewed as commendable acts by yourself, huh Resist Ignorance?

Well, I can only figure that you are criticizing Jamaica based on what you have read from bigoted websites. In order to truly resist ignorance, you must seek the truth, but you are not really concerned with that, are you Resist Ignorance? Look, if you are unable to AFFORD to go to Jamaica, then that would make more sense, but don't turn around and swear off Jamaica, because you read up on some links where gays were killed in Jamaica, and because in MOST cases, the perpetrators are not known or apprehended, you want to turn around and label it a hate-crime. Also, don't act as if Jamaica is so horrendous, like America is any better, when you know that this despicable behaviour not only exists in America, but that it is encouraged and thriving!

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Pastor--T...

R.I.P. Tyler Clementi...right Resist Ignorance...his death, and the deaths of MANY LGBT Americans is happening in YOUR nation, on YOUR watch, while you close your eyes to these horrors. You are a flipping hypocrite! Do something for the afflicted LGBT citizens in your country, before you start surmising about how it MAY be in Jamaica, fool!
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May 4, 2012
 
Here's an idea: Live and let live! And for Pete's sake, plaese leave God out of this bull!
Blacktigershark

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First of all, Jamaica does not have the highest murder rate in the world. America exceeds Jamaica in that category BY FAR, and America isn't the country where the most murders per year occur, BobP! You need to understand what you are reading, dumb@$$, but it is hard for you to do that when you want to post fallacies on this forum, isn't it?

Jamaica also isn't the most homophobic country in the world, BobP, so cut that crap out...you really need to grow up. It seems as if you are readily able to turn a blind eye to the homophobia in America which is rampant in your nation, though you are ready to condemn homophobia in another country? What have you done to curtail homophobia in Jamaica...or even America for that matter, coward?

And lastly, you talk about Jamaicans being uncivilized...I suppose that you would call this 'civilized' behaviour that is widely accepted in Jamaica, huh BobP?

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Man-arres...

You all are going to have to pray for God's divine intervention if Mitt Romney becomes your next president, yo! Pray that that day never comes, BobP...for the sake of your LGBT citizens there!
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Jamaica is not only the most homophobic country in the world, but it has the highest murder rate in the world.
The least civilized people alive.
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May 8, 2012
 
Just cuz the people of Jamaica don't like LGBT people on their island doesn't mean they are bad people like you idiots are trying to say. They probably realize that having these gays and he/shes vacationing in Jamaica will kill their tourism businesses and don't want their island to be the new hot spot for them go. Not to many people would like to go on vacation and see gays and he/shes around them. Who wants to see that? The Jamaicans are correct on how they handle these situations. Good job Jamaica, keep it up.
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May 8, 2012
 
Evidently they have it right. It's sad that America considers this normal behavior. It is a sin whether you like it or not, but it is no different than commiting adultry. Sin is sin whether it's hatred or any other act that goes against the word of God. We can justify anything based on our feelings, but the Lord has different standards.
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More likely a fat, pimply 16 year old who wants to take out his frustrations on gays because none of the girls will date him.
Is that how you violently came out of the closet, JohnInToronto? The gay community needs to educate themselves on what exactly Jamaicans are violently opposed to, and it is not gay people, as there are thousands of gay people out in full view of the public in Jamaica...Jamaicans are against this type of behaviour, and it is why the law that you gay rights activists want repealed hasn't been repealed in many of the former British colonies of the Caribbean, yo!

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/JFLAG--JF...

Now...if the gay rights activists and the gay community want to see an amendment of the buggery law, I would be all for that. However, NON-CONSENTUAL buggery is illegal, just like non-consentual heterosexual intercourse is illegal, and there would be no reason to COMPLETELY remove the law of buggery in Jamaica and other Caribbean islands, so that pedophiles and rapists can hide behind the fact that the law was repealed, and never rewritten, so as that they can get away with their crimes! This is not about gay people, everyone, this is about preventing pedophiles and rapists from striking at will! Many gay people will speak on what they believe is repressive rules in Jamaica, though these same gay people don't consider other people that are impacted by the same rules, as they are famous for singling themselves out, before thinking about how the same laws impact other groups of people!
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Resist Ignorance wrote:
I won't need to be reminded to never visit Jamaica. My (gay) teenage son and I used to visit the two Jamaican restaurants in town frequently. We loved the food. I was even upset when Publix quit carrying those Jamaican meat pies that we loved. Then I read a previous Topix thread, "To be gay in Jamaica is to be dead" and started doing a little research on homophobia there. Yes, most of the time homophobic beatings and killings are condoned or even conducted by the police there.
Well, it may be a beautiful place but, I have no intention of ever going there or of ever eating in a Jamaican restaurant again!
In the U.S., our heroes are people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. In Jamaica it's the dope smoking Rastafarian, Bob Marley! Go figure.
I agree with most of your post, but why attack Bob Marley? Bob was not a gay basher, nor an anyone else basher. He was a man of peace, inspiration, courage, vision, and generosity who brought and brings hope, joy and expanded consciousness to millions, by propagating thoughts like "emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free out minds." People could just as easily, and misguidedly, smear and dismiss George Washington as a " Beer swilling, hypocritical slave owner." Actually, you're saying the police are helping perpetrate these crimes, and guess what - they have also harshly oppressed the Rastas. It is bigotry and authoritarianism that are the problem here, not Rastafarianism or "dope." And as long as we let them divide and conquer us, they win. Please reconsider.
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Is that how you violently came out of the closet, JohnInToronto? The gay community needs to educate themselves on what exactly Jamaicans are violently opposed to, and it is not gay people, as there are thousands of gay people out in full view of the public in Jamaica...Jamaicans are against this type of behaviour, and it is why the law that you gay rights activists want repealed hasn't been repealed in many of the former British colonies of the Caribbean, yo!
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/JFLAG--JF...
Now...if the gay rights activists and the gay community want to see an amendment of the buggery law, I would be all for that. However, NON-CONSENTUAL buggery is illegal, just like non-consentual heterosexual intercourse is illegal, and there would be no reason to COMPLETELY remove the law of buggery in Jamaica and other Caribbean islands, so that pedophiles and rapists can hide behind the fact that the law was repealed, and never rewritten, so as that they can get away with their crimes! This is not about gay people, everyone, this is about preventing pedophiles and rapists from striking at will! Many gay people will speak on what they believe is repressive rules in Jamaica, though these same gay people don't consider other people that are impacted by the same rules, as they are famous for singling themselves out, before thinking about how the same laws impact other groups of people!
Why do they need a special law for buggery pertaining to rape and child molestation? Rape is rape, no matter the orifice or gender of the victim, and as you wisely note, boils down to consent (and having attained the age to legally give consent.) That simple litmus test, it seems to me, can stand on it's own in pretty much any human interaction. So I ask again, why a special law addressing "buggery?"
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Agreed! There should be no repeal of the buggery law, as there are going to be rapists and pedophiles that will prey on this repeal of the buggery law. There should be an AMENDMENT of the buggery law in Jamaica, so that it specifically speaks out against NON-CONSENTUAL acts of buggery, or public lewd acts of buggery, but not against CONSENSUAL acts of buggery and sodomy. Many gay rights activists and LGBT persons don't ever take into consideration why the buggery law is there in the first place, and in all their frustration, they deem that the law is there to SPECIFICALLY discriminate against them, and without a further thought, they want that law repealed, rather than reviewed and amended, which is what should be done instead, like it has been done in other developed countries, like Canada, America and Britain! When another gay activist makes mention of repealing the buggery law in Jamaica, ask them where else in the world buggery has been repealed from their law books. If you look CLOSELY, the laws were not REPEALED in these countries...they were AMENDED, so that no such discrimination could be interpreted through the amendments in order to persecute the LGBT community!

As for gay rights activists and LGBT people saying that there are LGBT citizens in Jamaica that face the potential of being sentenced to doing hard labour while being locked up in prison for 10 years for having consensual homosexual sex with another ADULT individual, get these activists and LGBT people to make mention of ONE case where an LGBT person was sentenced to hard labour in prison for having consensual sex with another ADULT LGBT person in Jamaica. They won't come up with this example (at least not up to the point where I have challenged them to come up with such a case), because in order for there to be a crime to be reported in Jamaica, you NEED a VICTIM and a complainant, and without both the victim and the complainant, the prosecution has no case to prosecute in court...PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Ignore the gay bigots on this forum, because they are NOT gay rights activists, nor are they impartial LGBT citizens, that would like to see the peaceful co-existence of all people in the community. These gay bigots only want a chunk of land for themselves, and as far as they care for what can happen to those that don't embrace their lifestyle (like us, the 'breeders'), we can burn in hell!
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Why do they need a special law for buggery pertaining to rape and child molestation? Rape is rape, no matter the orifice or gender of the victim, and as you wisely note, boils down to consent (and having attained the age to legally give consent.) That simple litmus test, it seems to me, can stand on it's own in pretty much any human interaction. So I ask again, why a special law addressing "buggery?"
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I agree with most of your post, but why attack Bob Marley? Bob was not a gay basher, nor an anyone else basher. He was a man of peace, inspiration, courage, vision, and generosity who brought and brings hope, joy and expanded consciousness to millions, by propagating thoughts like "emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free out minds." People could just as easily, and misguidedly, smear and dismiss George Washington as a " Beer swilling, hypocritical slave owner." Actually, you're saying the police are helping perpetrate these crimes, and guess what - they have also harshly oppressed the Rastas. It is bigotry and authoritarianism that are the problem here, not Rastafarianism or "dope." And as long as we let them divide and conquer us, they win. Please reconsider.
You should not be agreeing with an ignorant bigot like ResistIgnorance, of whom preaches about refraining from using ignorance in order to further your stance on an issue, though had chosen to do just that in his comments here on this thread! ResistIgnorance is a hypocrite, and he knows NOTHING about Jamaica.
Most of the beatings and assaults of LGBT people in Jamaica are not done by the police or praised by the police. Most of the beatings, assaults and killings of LGBT people in Jamaica are done by the LGBT people in Jamaica. In saying that, it does not mean that there aren't homophobic attacks that are carried out by Jamaicans against LGBT people in Jamaica. This is a practice that has to stop in Jamaica, but if people in other countries think that Jamaica is the only place that has this problem, they can read some of my past comments where I have attached links showing that it isn't only Jamaica that struggles with homophobia. Bunch of hypocrites, the lot of them! Talking about tolerance in Jamaica, when they don't have the same type of tolerance they are looking for in their own countries!
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Jul 8, 2012
 
This post is for those people out there that don't believe that there are bars and such where LGBT citizens in Jamaica congregate at all hours of the night, and so on...

Please read THIS article, before you say anything more!

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Cross-dre...

I would like you to recognize what the police said in this article, for all those wannabe gay rights activists that would like to harbour a skewered view upon how Jamaican LGBT citizens are treated...

Until you have actually been there, don't openly criticize Jamaica like Jamaica is the killing fields for LGBT people, while these same acts are not something that doesn't happen from time to time in your countries, yo!
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Now...these words come from an accomplished JCF homicide detective, of whom also was a Scotland Yard police officer, and is NOT a Jamaican, and of whom had access to MANY homicide files, in which the cause of murder and the sexual preference of most of these murderers in this file, were known to him, and he comes out to say this, people. A lot of details about the particulars were not even released to the public, yet there are many gay rights activists that seek to tarnish the reputation and the environment of Jamaica, when these slanderous claims are way off base...

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Gay-lobby...

So, now my question is...What is the motivational gain of gay rights groups receiving, or hoping to receive, by in improperly defaming Jamaica?
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Me sey me luv to have me backside dig out. Yea mon
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But yet, this type of behaviour is ACCEPTABLE and the norm in America, where it comes to portraying LGBT citizens in America?

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php...

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