Gay bashing thrives in Jamaica, homos...

Gay bashing thrives in Jamaica, homosexuality seen as sin

There are 687 comments on the Newsday story from Jul 19, 2009, titled Gay bashing thrives in Jamaica, homosexuality seen as sin. In it, Newsday reports that:

Even now, about three years after a near-fatal gay bashing, Sherman gets jittery at dusk.

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Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#728 May 10, 2011
wat wrote:
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Yeah we have a pretty messed up political system. Our two party system of voting just doesn't work. Obama and the Democrats can't get anything done because of the Republicans. We still don't have universal health care. Unemployment and gas prices are high as hell. We're fighting three consecutive wars. I would like our government molded after the British government. How are politics in Jamaica?
Corruption rules the day in Jamaica, much like it does in America, or England, or anywhere else. The current Prime Minister, Bruce Golding, attained the majority in Parliament, by keeping secret the status of 5 of his cabinet members (of which they were dual citizens, which means that they were ineligible to run for office...these members should be stripped of their seats! The JLP government has 22 seats, and the PNP has 21 seats. The PNP had one member that had dual citizenship when up for a seat in Parliament...that member should have their seat stripped from them, ultimately leaving the PNP with 20 seats, and the JLP with 17 seats...the whole story isn't that black and white though, but it is not right, that's for damn sure!). The Christopher 'Dudus' Coke fiasco seemed like it was illegally perpetrated by a member of the PNP, of whom solicited into memorandums of understanding with America and England, without consulting the Prime Minister at that time, and that turns out to be an infringement on the rights of 'Dudus', as well as every Jamaican citizen, and the death toll from the civil unrest goes to prove why there are Prime Ministers, and why Prime Ministers and the public should know about potentially illegal actions like wiretaps and the like when it comes to intelligence gathering where it comes down to its citizens. I know that 'Dudus' is in an American prison now, but what happens if an appeal to the World Court or something like that acknowledges that Dudus's charter rights were infringed upon, and thus Dudus is ordered to be set free, and to be acquitted of all charges against him, and then Dudus requests asylum, because of what happened in Jamaica, and Dudus gets asylum in America? That would leave America with an even bigger problem, won't it?

I just came from Britain last year, and that is a place that I would not want to go back to again for an extended period of time. British politicians are approving a tax hike against its own citizens, to 20% for the lowest class working citizen, while confiscating the pensions of those that have paid into it for decades, and those of war veterans, due to the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, which had NOTHING to do with any British citizen! And we need not even speak about the corruption in America...the way that America operates is segregated at best, and they seek to isolate LGBT citizens and other minority groups to certain parts of America, while the privileged get to stroll through every sector of America without hassle...that must be nice...and then people like Tom want business owners to have the right to discriminate against the public. What happens if you are in Hawaii, dying of thirst, and Tom had the only store on the only island in Hawaii that you were allowed to be on, and as you arrive up to Tom's business, he refuses you service, simply because he's allowed to discriminate against you? You die of thirst, or pray for rain, wat? This is what Tom is all about, the big fucking hypocrite!

Listen, wat, I challenge you to challenge Tom on this thread about any allegation that he's making about Jamaica, and with me here on this thread as a witness, see how many times Tom backpeddles and ad-libs, before he runs off of this thread...Tom is a fake, and please nobody take Tom for being a voice of LGBT citizens across the globe...Tom is a closeted, white-collar bigot, of whom seeks to blind people from the truth with hypocrisy, scapegoating, denials and propaganda. Take the sheets off of this bigot called Tom, alright people?
Jamaican Jammer

Kingston, Jamaica

#729 Aug 9, 2011
Boom Bye BYe
Gay Jamaican

Kingston, Jamaica

#730 Aug 12, 2011
Resist Ignorance wrote:
I won't need to be reminded to never visit Jamaica. My (gay) teenage son and I used to visit the two Jamaican restaurants in town frequently. We loved the food. I was even upset when Publix quit carrying those Jamaican meat pies that we loved. Then I read a previous Topix thread, "To be gay in Jamaica is to be dead" and started doing a little research on homophobia there. Yes, most of the time homophobic beatings and killings are condoned or even conducted by the police there.
Well, it may be a beautiful place but, I have no intention of ever going there or of ever eating in a Jamaican restaurant again!
In the U.S., our heroes are people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. In Jamaica it's the dope smoking Rastafarian, Bob Marley! Go figure.
I am a gay Jamaican and while i do agree that the general society's lack of acceptance for gay people is something that needs to be addressed, i don't think not supporting EVERYTHING Jamaican helps anything. It's one thing if you don't want to support an artist who speaks out against homosexuality, but to cause the Jamaicans who may actually care about gay rights[which there are PLENTY OFF] is just as bad as homophobes who won't support a gay-friendly business or support anti-gay campaigns. Trust me when i tell you that the local community is really making its presence known, with frequent protests and television adverts(like this one
).
There are several gay friendly businesses,including gay clubs, established which are working on establishing a rewards systems for JFLAG(Jamaica Forum for Lesbions and Gays) registered persons.
So, i think if you really want to help the gay cause, come to Jamaica and do so, or try to donate to one of the advocation groups established(JFLAG,Underlined Response, etc).

And FYI, Jamaica has six recognised heroes and one heroine: Sir Alexander Bustamante, Norman Washington Manley, Paul Bogle, George William Gordon, Marcus Mosiah Garvey, Sam Sharpe and Nanny of the Maroons. I don't think Bob Marley is a hero. Thank you for your time though, and I hope I was of assistance.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#731 Aug 13, 2011
Gay Jamaican wrote:
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I am a gay Jamaican and while i do agree that the general society's lack of acceptance for gay people is something that needs to be addressed, i don't think not supporting EVERYTHING Jamaican helps anything. It's one thing if you don't want to support an artist who speaks out against homosexuality, but to cause the Jamaicans who may actually care about gay rights[which there are PLENTY OFF] is just as bad as homophobes who won't support a gay-friendly business or support anti-gay campaigns. Trust me when i tell you that the local community is really making its presence known, with frequent protests and television adverts(like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JhH6UhfEI-EXX).
There are several gay friendly businesses,including gay clubs, established which are working on establishing a rewards systems for JFLAG(Jamaica Forum for Lesbions and Gays) registered persons.
So, i think if you really want to help the gay cause, come to Jamaica and do so, or try to donate to one of the advocation groups established(JFLAG,Underlined Response, etc).
And FYI, Jamaica has six recognised heroes and one heroine: Sir Alexander Bustamante, Norman Washington Manley, Paul Bogle, George William Gordon, Marcus Mosiah Garvey, Sam Sharpe and Nanny of the Maroons. I don't think Bob Marley is a hero. Thank you for your time though, and I hope I was of assistance.
It's funny how the person that you responded to makes reference to American heroes like George Washington. Did George Washington have Black slaves? Did George Washington condone and participate in the exploitation of Black people? Did George Washington not say that every person in America should be treated as equals? Was not every citizen of America supposed to be free by the decree of George Washington and the other forefathers of America? Though, how long did slavery last in America? How long did it take to establish the Charter of Rights in America? How bad a stain on American history is slavery and segregation?

http://hnn.us/articles/10827.html

Read the link, and determine it for yourselves, people...America is a small cry away from the repressive apartheid regime of South Africa, of which America supported for a long time. Two American presidents were assassinated for trying to do the right thing, which was to make ALL Americans equal! That speaks volumes, but does that speak volumes for ALL Americans? And in relation to talking about American follies, let's not forget the genocide of the Native Americans, the treaty violations with the Latinos, the harsh treatment of the Irish...what a legacy to be proud of, Resist Ignorance! Look in your own back yard, before you swear off another person's property, hypocrite!

I'm glad that you have noted Jamaican heroes in your post, Gay Jamaican, and there are a lot more Jamaican heroes that have remained nameless! Let's not forget that a lot of 'heroes' that America has deemed as fugitives of the law, have found refuge in places other than Canada...namely Jamaica. Black moderates and escaped slaves also found solace in Jamaica, as they did in Canada, and many Black activists still to this day can call Jamaica home, when America turns their back on them! These are the real heroes of Jamaica...those that were among the first vocal critics of apartheid in South Africa and the segregated police-state of 1960's America that 'coloured' people were being oppressed in...there are injustices against 'coloured' people that continue to occur in America at an alarming rate, yet people that don't pay attention to things that they cannot be bothered to be disturbed by, see their repressive state as a paradise! Resist Ignorance, it doesn't reflect well on your character when you lash out at everyone for the acts of a few, in relation to their heinous acts? If that's the case, why don't we see you stating anything about the historical American indiscretions?????
marley

Jamaica Plain, MA

#732 Aug 14, 2011
well man its not so different afterall you there and i here..we hate those sicks yes

Since: Aug 11

Kingston, Jamaica

#733 Aug 17, 2011
Resist Ignorance wrote:
I won't need to be reminded to never visit Jamaica. My (gay) teenage son and I used to visit the two Jamaican restaurants in town frequently. We loved the food. I was even upset when Publix quit carrying those Jamaican meat pies that we loved. Then I read a previous Topix thread, "To be gay in Jamaica is to be dead" and started doing a little research on homophobia there. Yes, most of the time homophobic beatings and killings are condoned or even conducted by the police there.
Well, it may be a beautiful place but, I have no intention of ever going there or of ever eating in a Jamaican restaurant again!
In the U.S., our heroes are people like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. In Jamaica it's the dope smoking Rastafarian, Bob Marley! Go figure.
im a jamaican and seems either u arent exposed to other countries outside of us or just by what people say but you are gay and all gay people stick together yes we are homophobic but being that your presumably a white tourist youd be ok unfortunately we dont trouble tourists bad for business so come herte and find out what really happens before you run your mouth and ps bob marley is not every ones hero just rastas while i like his music hes not my hero and i dont smoke weed.

Since: Aug 11

Kingston, Jamaica

#734 Aug 17, 2011
OhWellSchitHappens wrote:
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Iím sure they would do anything to get their hands on my American dollars.
not every jamaican is out for money my parents grew me up to stay within my boundaries and you and your american dollars can stay in america with your depressed economy we dont need you here but well take your money still
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#735 Aug 17, 2011
icemanjm wrote:
<quoted text> not every jamaican is out for money my parents grew me up to stay within my boundaries and you and your american dollars can stay in america with your depressed economy we dont need you here but well take your money still
LMAO! Well stated, iceman! Don't need Americans in Jamaica, but they can volunteer to give their money to Jamaicans like us if they really want to! ROFL!
just another gay

United States

#736 Aug 31, 2011
I am gay and I hate the thought of ppl being so judgmental. It's not a choice! Read and put yourself in my shoes. Http://gayishappiness.blogspot.com
Ozzie Guillen

Springfield, IL

#737 Aug 31, 2011
just another gay wrote:
I am gay and I hate the thought of ppl being so judgmental. It's not a choice! Read and put yourself in my shoes. Http://gayishappiness.blogspot.com
Only if they're little bunny slippers.
just another gay

United States

#738 Aug 31, 2011
I don't get it?

“Why are you so serious?”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#739 Aug 31, 2011
Jamaicans shouldn't attack ONLY gay people if adultery and fornication is a sin too. Its hypocritical. I believe homosexual is wrong but to each their own.
just another gay

United States

#740 Aug 31, 2011
Ozzie Guillen wrote:
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Only if they're little bunny slippers.
Clue me in?

Thomas
Http://gayishappiness.blogspot.com
Ozzie Guillen

Springfield, IL

#741 Aug 31, 2011
just another gay wrote:
<quoted text>
Clue me in?
Thomas
Http://gayishappiness.blogspot.com
You said that we should put ourselves in your shoes.
I replied, only if they're bunny slippers.
It was supposed to be a joke....a bad joke, but a joke
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#742 Sep 1, 2011
Ozzie Guillen wrote:
<quoted text>
You said that we should put ourselves in your shoes.
I replied, only if they're bunny slippers.
It was supposed to be a joke....a bad joke, but a joke
LOL! Should have said flip flops...everybody is talking about the supposed rampant homophobia in Jamaica...the flip flops should be rainbow coloured though, and everybody should hold hands across the shores of Jamaica! That make your joke better, Ozzie?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#743 Sep 1, 2011
just another gay wrote:
I am gay and I hate the thought of ppl being so judgmental. It's not a choice! Read and put yourself in my shoes. Http://gayishappiness.blogspot.com
Read your clip from the thread that you left in your message, and it seems like YOU are more judgmental of others, then others are judgmental of you! How surprising is that? You are a PROUD 24 year old HOMOSEXUAL, ranting on about how society is trying to conform you to fitting into the norm, when you haven't come out and been honest to your own father? How contradictory is that? I think that you have to do research, and find out where the gay community resides and gathers in your neighbourhood, and you should hang out with them, make friends with them, and make friends with heterosexual people that understand you are a homosexual, and will not let your sexual preference alienate their image of you. I also believe that YOU have to do the same thing and stop judging heterosexuals. You can't expect people to understand who you are if you don't tell people who you are, PROUD HOMOSEXUAL! Start with posting your picture to your rants, and then, come out and tell people (like your family) that you are gay...stop playing them around, and making them believe that something they believe is coming (like a girlfriend, children, a marriage to a female spouse, etc.) is not there yet, when in actuality, it is NEVER going to happen in your books...am I right there, just another gay? If you were actually 'just another gay', you know that what I have stated above is not far from the truth. I guess you are lucky that you can 'hide' your sexual preference, as a means to fit in, just another gay...some people that are able to see are not that welcoming to others that they can see are different, simply by looking at their skin complexion! How about you place yourself in the shoes of another person of another race, and understand their struggles, before you go on like you are the only person that has struggles in society, where your sexuality is concerned!
tony t

Oakland, CA

#745 Sep 28, 2011
first pro gay reggae album from jamaican reggae artist mista majah p album title tolerance also his web page www.mistamajahp.com , reggae history made
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#747 Sep 30, 2011
Truthtellerxxx wrote:
Jamaicans shouldn't attack ONLY gay people if adultery and fornication is a sin too. Its hypocritical. I believe homosexual is wrong but to each their own.
Not ALL Jamaicans attack gay people only, and you of all people should know this! It is ignorant of you to place a statement like that on a thread like this, and you should be embarrassed by your comment. Now if you had considered your statement, and adjusted your comment by adding the word "Some" in front of your statement, then there wouldn't be much of an argument here...check the way you word your comments next time, so that you don't come off as a discriminatory bigot, Truthtellerxxx...you know that bigots NEVER tell the truth, so you have to decide now...do you want to live up to your username, or do you want to change you name now to Bigottellerxxx and continue to talk shit the same way you managed to in your above post? Only time will reveal the TRUTH here, huh girl?

Since: May 08

Long Beach, California

#748 Sep 30, 2011
As bad is some folks say it is in Jamaica, it can't compare to what The Congo, Uganda and Iran are doing to homosexuals.

“Why are you so serious?”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#749 Sep 30, 2011
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
Not ALL Jamaicans attack gay people only, and you of all people should know this! It is ignorant of you to place a statement like that on a thread like this, and you should be embarrassed by your comment. Now if you had considered your statement, and adjusted your comment by adding the word "Some" in front of your statement, then there wouldn't be much of an argument here...check the way you word your comments next time, so that you don't come off as a discriminatory bigot, Truthtellerxxx...you know that bigots NEVER tell the truth, so you have to decide now...do you want to live up to your username, or do you want to change you name now to Bigottellerxxx and continue to talk shit the same way you managed to in your above post? Only time will reveal the TRUTH here, huh girl?
K. I did not say ''ALL'' i only said jamaicans. And that can be interpreted as some jamaicans or the stereotypical reactions from the jamaican MEDIA(high power,representatives).
Its ridiculous to say ''ALL'' jamaicans behave this way towards homosexuals because it is not TRUE. I tell the truth so why would i say that?

Besides, i was ONLY reffering this to the jamaican media along with their followers who behave harshly on homosexuals.

Not defending homosexual by the way. Just saying that its hypocritical that SOME jamaicans abuse homosexuals strictly because it is a sin and not pay attention to other sinful behaviours such as fornication which is big in jamaica too.

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