Analysts: It's hard out there for the GOP

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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. - Even as Sen. John McCain aggressively presses toward next week's finish line, nervous Republicans say they are worried that he could face a rout at the hands of Barack Obama , losing a ...

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Taxpayer

Cadott, WI

#2 Oct 29, 2008
If you don't work and you pay no taxes, more jobs and lower taxes is a hard sell.

It is much easier to push for robbing the rich and giving it to the poor. Or phrased somewhat more modernly, taking money from the people who have earned it and giving it to those who do not deserve it. This is done in return for a vote.

The only cost is the elimination of the American way of life and the American dream. Not the new liberal dream where unskilled labor deserves to live a middle class life style.

I am refering to the dream that inspired all American inovation. Work hard, work smart, take some risk, and you can not just make it, you can exceed.

Obama is a smart guy. The problem is that this campaign is the hardest he's ever worked in his life. In addition, he has never taken any risk what so ever. Making it in America takes 3 for 3, 1 out of 3 does not make you successful nor does it make you Presidential.
JayS

Crystal Lake, IL

#3 Oct 29, 2008
McCain is fighting a canidate that speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Example: Obama is going to tax business and those making over 250,000 a year. At the smae time he is going to create jobs. I see a cantradiction in his economic plan. Everytime there has been a raise in the capital gains tax, revenue for the fed has gone down.
Cass

Pleasanton, CA

#4 Oct 29, 2008
Of course it will be McCain's fault if he loses. HE'S the one who picked an incompetent unknown as his VP. HE'S the one who sold his soul to support George Bush in order to get back into the good graces of the Republican party. HE'S the one who has raised questions about his own strange behavior in the public's mind. HE'S the one who can't get his facts straight and HE is the one who has run a sleazy, dishonorable campaign even though he said early on his campaign would be "respectful." HE'S the one who will be raising taxes. HE'S the one who has made HIS OWN bad decisions throughout the campaign. As someone who aspires to lead, the buck must stop with him. HE is responsible for the problems in his own campaign, no one else.

Let the "blame game" and "circular firing squad" go on, but in the end, if a candidate can't run his own campaign, make his own decisions and remain true to himself while doing so, then what kind of president will he be?

so what

Burbank, IL

#5 Oct 29, 2008
Sure it's hard for the GOP when an Ohio judge rules that the homeless can use park benches and doorways as their residential addresses in order to vote.

How about in Madison County Mississippi which has 123% more voters registered than people over 18?

Crook County is going national. Watch out. I predict we will see plenty of "Don't blame me, I voted McCain" bumper stickers if the Dems manage to steal this one.

This may well be the last free election held in the U.S.A.
Cass

Pleasanton, CA

#6 Oct 29, 2008
It's entirely too bad that people like "Taxpayer" have such a short memory. When George Bush became president, he cut taxes on the rich, which McCain VOTED AGAINST at the time. Now, of course, McCain wants to make those tax cuts permanent.

Obama wants to reinstate (meaning "bring back")the same 1999 level of taxes on the rich. When people who are unemployed or who are making so little that they are not paying taxes, anyway, obviously government revenue has to come from somewhere.

You might ask why? Well, Mr. McCain claims he is running for Commander-in-Chief. What is he going to command if there's no money to pay for the military? Are we going to keep borrowing money from China to pay for our wars in Iraq and wherever else Mr. McCain might decide to start a war?

Where's your parents' Medicare going to come from if there's no money for Medicare? Are YOU prepared to buy health insurance for your elderly parents? Or are you planning to just let them drop dead if they get sick? What kind of "family values" is that?

If you're going to live in a country, then you should be prepared to pay for the services you expect to get. Are you prepared to let corporations do their own policing of the quality and safety of their products? Are you prepared to let the drug companies throw any drug they please onto the marketplace, even if they haven't been tested for safety and effectiveness? Eaten any lead or poisoned dog food lately? Care for some more?

Are you prepared to pay for rebuilding your own home or helping yourself on your own in the midst of a natural disaster, or are you expecting the National Guard or FEMA to show up with aid? What National Guard, if there's no money to pay for it? Or how about a large-scale epidemic? Who's going to help you out there? The health insurance companies? Dream on.

Get real, folks. Some of the most basic services--such as the military--that our country's founders envisioned when they wrote the Constitution, cost money. Where is the money going to come from if NO ONE is paying taxes?

And finally, do you really believe McCain will cut taxes? If he's planning to tax employer health insurance benefits, how is that cutting taxes? How will it be cutting your taxes if states and municipalities have to raise your local taxes because they are so strapped they can't supply other basic services you expect? Who's going to fix those potholes, collect your garbage, plow those streets, pay for your schools, police your neighborhoods?

Your LOCAL taxes will be raised, my friends, if there are no federal dollars to help out.

You can't live for free. There's no such thing as a free lunch for ANYONE if life around you is grim and chaotic.

Since: Jul 08

Chicago, IL

#7 Oct 29, 2008
Of course it will be his fault if he loses.

Mac stood at a point in time when he could have completely broken with Rovian politics, and began the party anew.

Instead, he tethered himself to the same old divisive topics, and the same old tactics that have divided this country and ruined American trust in the GOP.--not to mention patronizing the phony religious right, who would vote for him anyway.

This was his election to lose. As an ardent supporter, and someone who has followed his voting record I cannot honestly say that I trust him anymore.

Since: Jul 08

Chicago, IL

#8 Oct 29, 2008
so what wrote:
Sure it's hard for the GOP when an Ohio judge rules that the homeless can use park benches and doorways as their residential addresses in order to vote.
How about in Madison County Mississippi which has 123% more voters registered than people over 18?
Crook County is going national. Watch out. I predict we will see plenty of "Don't blame me, I voted McCain" bumper stickers if the Dems manage to steal this one.
This may well be the last free election held in the U.S.A.
Oh sure. All of these issues were fine when they were working for the GOP in the past TWO elections. Now they're a problem.

Bush had at least 8 years to fix the national election problems that benefited him in 2000 and 2004. He did nothing because Rove thinks he can make those issues work for the party as they did in the past. He may very well be right with all of the lawsuits by GOP operatives that are popping up, as well as the media spin on the subject.

Also, as a voter in Chicago, I found the voting polls to be very straight forward. Touch screens, with accompanying printed verification. For early voting, there was a form that had to be filed attesting to the validity of the voter's ID, and marked with a code, identifying the identifyer. Squeaky clean in my honest opinion.
STOLEN ELECTIONS

Pleasanton, CA

#9 Oct 29, 2008
The only ones who have stolen elections in the past few years have been the Republicans. Now they're in the minority, so they're whining about losing. They'll say or do anything to keep themselves and their rich friends in power, just so they can keep on getting rich.

The rich have gotten richer over the past eight years while the number of poor has increased. The middle class is struggling and losing more and more jobs every day. Losing their houses. THIS is the kind of country "so what" would like to live in? A third-rate "has been" where everything is owned by China?

"So What" and JayS and Taxpayer have forgotten who's been in power for the past 8 years. McCain's pal, Bush, and his Republican Congress. The Democrats have such a slim majority in Congress for the past two years that everything they want to do has been vetoed or blocked by Republicans.

It's been single-party rule for the past 8 years, and the Republicans have done a lousy job.

Time to give someone else a chance. Time to give the country a chance. Time to give your friends and family a chance. And if you can't find it in your heart to give others a chance, then give yourself a chance--open your eyes and look around at what your party has accomplished over the last 8 years. Nothing but pain and ruin.

david wayne osedach

United States

#11 Oct 29, 2008
McCain will lose and it will be his fault. He has not come up with a viable economic recovery plan.
Not_Rich

Lincolnshire, IL

#12 Oct 29, 2008
Cass wrote:
It's entirely too bad that people like "Taxpayer" have such a short memory. When George Bush became president, he cut taxes on the rich, which McCain VOTED AGAINST at the time. Now, of course, McCain wants to make those tax cuts permanent.
Obama wants to reinstate (meaning "bring back")the same 1999 level of taxes on the rich. When people who are unemployed or who are making so little that they are not paying taxes, anyway, obviously government revenue has to come from somewhere.
You might ask why? Well, Mr. McCain claims he is running for Commander-in-Chief. What is he going to command if there's no money to pay for the military? Are we going to keep borrowing money from China to pay for our wars in Iraq and wherever else Mr. McCain might decide to start a war?
Where's your parents' Medicare going to come from if there's no money for Medicare? Are YOU prepared to buy health insurance for your elderly parents? Or are you planning to just let them drop dead if they get sick? What kind of "family values" is that?
If you're going to live in a country, then you should be prepared to pay for the services you expect to get. Are you prepared to let corporations do their own policing of the quality and safety of their products? Are you prepared to let the drug companies throw any drug they please onto the marketplace, even if they haven't been tested for safety and effectiveness? Eaten any lead or poisoned dog food lately? Care for some more?
Are you prepared to pay for rebuilding your own home or helping yourself on your own in the midst of a natural disaster, or are you expecting the National Guard or FEMA to show up with aid? What National Guard, if there's no money to pay for it? Or how about a large-scale epidemic? Who's going to help you out there? The health insurance companies? Dream on.
Get real, folks. Some of the most basic services--such as the military--that our country's founders envisioned when they wrote the Constitution, cost money. Where is the money going to come from if NO ONE is paying taxes?
And finally, do you really believe McCain will cut taxes? If he's planning to tax employer health insurance benefits, how is that cutting taxes? How will it be cutting your taxes if states and municipalities have to raise your local taxes because they are so strapped they can't supply other basic services you expect? Who's going to fix those potholes, collect your garbage, plow those streets, pay for your schools, police your neighborhoods?
Your LOCAL taxes will be raised, my friends, if there are no federal dollars to help out.
You can't live for free. There's no such thing as a free lunch for ANYONE if life around you is grim and chaotic.
Can you please show me where does it say that taxes are cut for the rich? Please provide ONE sentence, which states that "by Government Decree, as of this day All Rich People pay less taxes." Please provide the evidence.
If you cannot, then stop demagoguery.
Taxpayer

Cadott, WI

#13 Oct 29, 2008
How about reducing the cost basis? Quit spending like the proverbial sailor. A trillion in new health care spending!!!

My memory extends all the way back to Carter and his increase-the-tax train wreck. Carter reduced net federal revenue by raising taxes.

Are you so short on memory that you failed to mention that Bush increased federal revenue by lowering taxes?

You wrote a short novel describing how the goverment needs money, why support a tax plan that will reduce revenue?

I realize that it's counterintuitive, but it's a fact.
Cass wrote:
It's entirely too bad that people like "Taxpayer" have such a short memory. When George Bush became president, he cut taxes on the rich, which McCain VOTED AGAINST at the time. Now, of course, McCain wants to make those tax cuts permanent.
Obama wants to reinstate (meaning "bring back")the same 1999 level of taxes on the rich. When people who are unemployed or who are making so little that they are not paying taxes, anyway, obviously government revenue has to come from somewhere.
You might ask why? Well, Mr. McCain claims he is running for Commander-in-Chief. What is he going to command if there's no money to pay for the military? Are we going to keep borrowing money from China to pay for our wars in Iraq and wherever else Mr. McCain might decide to start a war?
Where's your parents' Medicare going to come from if there's no money for Medicare? Are YOU prepared to buy health insurance for your elderly parents? Or are you planning to just let them drop dead if they get sick? What kind of "family values" is that?
If you're going to live in a country, then you should be prepared to pay for the services you expect to get. Are you prepared to let corporations do their own policing of the quality and safety of their products? Are you prepared to let the drug companies throw any drug they please onto the marketplace, even if they haven't been tested for safety and effectiveness? Eaten any lead or poisoned dog food lately? Care for some more?
Are you prepared to pay for rebuilding your own home or helping yourself on your own in the midst of a natural disaster, or are you expecting the National Guard or FEMA to show up with aid? What National Guard, if there's no money to pay for it? Or how about a large-scale epidemic? Who's going to help you out there? The health insurance companies? Dream on.
Get real, folks. Some of the most basic services--such as the military--that our country's founders envisioned when they wrote the Constitution, cost money. Where is the money going to come from if NO ONE is paying taxes?
And finally, do you really believe McCain will cut taxes? If he's planning to tax employer health insurance benefits, how is that cutting taxes? How will it be cutting your taxes if states and municipalities have to raise your local taxes because they are so strapped they can't supply other basic services you expect? Who's going to fix those potholes, collect your garbage, plow those streets, pay for your schools, police your neighborhoods?
Your LOCAL taxes will be raised, my friends, if there are no federal dollars to help out.
You can't live for free. There's no such thing as a free lunch for ANYONE if life around you is grim and chaotic.
Facts_only

Lincolnshire, IL

#14 Oct 29, 2008
STOLEN ELECTIONS wrote:
The only ones who have stolen elections in the past few years have been the Republicans. Now they're in the minority, so they're whining about losing. They'll say or do anything to keep themselves and their rich friends in power, just so they can keep on getting rich.
The rich have gotten richer over the past eight years while the number of poor has increased. The middle class is struggling and losing more and more jobs every day. Losing their houses. THIS is the kind of country "so what" would like to live in? A third-rate "has been" where everything is owned by China?
"So What" and JayS and Taxpayer have forgotten who's been in power for the past 8 years. McCain's pal, Bush, and his Republican Congress. The Democrats have such a slim majority in Congress for the past two years that everything they want to do has been vetoed or blocked by Republicans.
It's been single-party rule for the past 8 years, and the Republicans have done a lousy job.
Time to give someone else a chance. Time to give the country a chance. Time to give your friends and family a chance. And if you can't find it in your heart to give others a chance, then give yourself a chance--open your eyes and look around at what your party has accomplished over the last 8 years. Nothing but pain and ruin.
Question 1: Who was the president in 2000 at the time when election was supposedly stolen?
Anser: Clinton

Question 2: Who had a majority in a Supreme Court that ruled in favor of W. at the time the election was supposedly stolen?
Answer: Libs

Think about it.

Since: Jul 08

Chicago, IL

#15 Oct 29, 2008
Taxpayer wrote:
How about reducing the cost basis? Quit spending like the proverbial sailor. A trillion in new health care spending!!!
My memory extends all the way back to Carter and his increase-the-tax train wreck. Carter reduced net federal revenue by raising taxes.
Are you so short on memory that you failed to mention that Bush increased federal revenue by lowering taxes?
You wrote a short novel describing how the goverment needs money, why support a tax plan that will reduce revenue?
I realize that it's counterintuitive, but it's a fact.
<quoted text>
Why is it OK to spend 2 trillion on bailing out big banks and brokerage houses after they broke with regulation, and OK to spend a trillion or more on a phony war in Iraq for the sake of big oil and big defense, and OK to spend billions in phony "faith-based initiative" taxpayer grants to big religion.....

.......and not OK to spend it on healthcare, or on some form of subsidy to the working poor and struggling middle class?

I'm not even going to get into the tax cuts for the rich.....which constitute addtional spending, or the huge, mega-spending for the ineffective, phony Homeland Security department.

You need your head examined.

Since: Jul 08

Chicago, IL

#16 Oct 29, 2008
Facts_only wrote:
<quoted text>
Question 1: Who was the president in 2000 at the time when election was supposedly stolen?
Anser: Clinton
Question 2: Who had a majority in a Supreme Court that ruled in favor of W. at the time the election was supposedly stolen?
Answer: Libs
Think about it.
More indoctrinated pablum. Can you believe this character?
JohnP

Chicago, IL

#17 Oct 29, 2008
Even though I'm a Republican, I'm not sorry to see the party go down in flames these last 2 elections. These things are cyclical. The GOP came to power and soon forgot what Republicans were supposed to stand for. What we got was more debt, more corruption, less efficiency. The GOP got to think that as long as they were pro-life, anti-gay and pro-gun, they could do what ever they wanted, no matter how stupid. Now the Democrats will be in power and, if history is any indicator, they will eventually get fat and stupid, just like the GOP did. Meanwhile, new people will come to power in the GOP, just like Obama and some others did in their party. Sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back to the right. And the wheel keeps turning.
Nancy Mortonthal

Machesney Park, IL

#18 Oct 29, 2008
A week from tonight it will be PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA!!!!!!!!!! Let the repubs and the wing nuts blame whomever. America is the winner and she will regain the respect of the world. The lies and deceit of the BUSH/CHENEY cabal will be behind us. America will move forward with a great leader. America and Americans are the real winners.
The R

Richton Park, IL

#19 Oct 29, 2008
Taxpayer wrote:
If you don't work and you pay no taxes, more jobs and lower taxes is a hard sell.
It is much easier to push for robbing the rich and giving it to the poor. Or phrased somewhat more modernly, taking money from the people who have earned it and giving it to those who do not deserve it. This is done in return for a vote.
The only cost is the elimination of the American way of life and the American dream. Not the new liberal dream where unskilled labor deserves to live a middle class life style.
I am refering to the dream that inspired all American inovation. Work hard, work smart, take some risk, and you can not just make it, you can exceed.
Obama is a smart guy. The problem is that this campaign is the hardest he's ever worked in his life. In addition, he has never taken any risk what so ever. Making it in America takes 3 for 3, 1 out of 3 does not make you successful nor does it make you Presidential.
Ever ran for President before? How about the US Senate?

Ever graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, then eschew a six-figure salary, waiting for you, to take a job working with low-income citizens, which paid a fraction of what you could have made, otherwise?

That takes hard work--somehow, I doubt you've accomplished any of the above, so I'd take caution about accusing others of not working hard, if I were you.

Since: Feb 08

Downers Grove, IL

#20 Oct 29, 2008
Cass wrote:
Of course it will be McCain's fault if he loses. HE'S the one who picked an incompetent unknown as his VP. HE'S the one who sold his soul to support George Bush in order to get back into the good graces of the Republican party. HE'S the one who has raised questions about his own strange behavior in the public's mind. HE'S the one who can't get his facts straight and HE is the one who has run a sleazy, dishonorable campaign even though he said early on his campaign would be "respectful." HE'S the one who will be raising taxes. HE'S the one who has made HIS OWN bad decisions throughout the campaign. As someone who aspires to lead, the buck must stop with him. HE is responsible for the problems in his own campaign, no one else.
Let the "blame game" and "circular firing squad" go on, but in the end, if a candidate can't run his own campaign, make his own decisions and remain true to himself while doing so, then what kind of president will he be?
Right. And Obama has done nothing wrong ever. Just ask the press. Obama has tons of experience and is going to take the hard earned money that people who work made and give it to the people who don't want to work that hard. Obama wants to create more social programs to help all the little people but has no way of paying for them. Obama says that 95% of Americans will see a tax break. Does he know we're 10 trillion in debt? Obama is taking campaign contributions from unknown people/foreign countries and says he's not doing anything wrong. Obama said he would campaign using only the money given by the government. Obama goes to a church for 20 years before he realizes the pastor is un-american. Obama goes to dinner parties and socializes with known members of the PLO and sings their praises. And why shouldn't Obama appear to be taking the high road with his campaign when the press is doing all the dirty work for him? Really, how can anyone who knows anything about Illinois politics support any politician from this state?
MG Smith

Wilmette, IL

#21 Oct 29, 2008
Not_Rich wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you please show me where does it say that taxes are cut for the rich? Please provide ONE sentence, which states that "by Government Decree, as of this day All Rich People pay less taxes." Please provide the evidence.
If you cannot, then stop demagoguery.
WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM??? You want evidence, check:

Unequal Democracy: The Political Economy of the New Gilded Age
By Larry M. Bartels
Princeton University Press

I know it has a lot of pages and lots of syllables per page, but the charts and graphs are VERY EASY to read. You can probably still sneak a peek on Amazon.com , so you don't even have to buy it, although it is a very good book. Just look at the first chapter. You don't even have to agree with his interpretation. Just look at the facts. Virtually all of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 5% or even to the top 1%. THAT IS CUTTING TAXES FOR THE RICH.
The R

Richton Park, IL

#22 Oct 29, 2008
Taxpayer wrote:
How about reducing the cost basis? Quit spending like the proverbial sailor. A trillion in new health care spending!!!
My memory extends all the way back to Carter and his increase-the-tax train wreck. Carter reduced net federal revenue by raising taxes.
Are you so short on memory that you failed to mention that Bush increased federal revenue by lowering taxes?
You wrote a short novel describing how the goverment needs money, why support a tax plan that will reduce revenue?
I realize that it's counterintuitive, but it's a fact.
<quoted text>
So, then, why is there a deficit? By your statement, with additional revenue coming in, because of those lower taxes, that shouldn't be the case.

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