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#41 Oct 8, 2012
ma delun wrote:
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Ma Delun
Seems legit. I always look for business partners on anonymous internet message boards dedicated to discussing the day's Dear Abby column.

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#42 Oct 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
By your statements that guy who was arrested for raping those kids should be welcomed back into the NFL after his time is served. After all he did his time and lost lots of money too.
BTW, Mike Tyson came back to boxing after serving time for rape. I'm not a tyson fan nor a boxing fan. Never was, but I'd put rape up higher on the depravity scale than dog fighting. Do you disagree?

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#43 Oct 8, 2012
Well, if he did it my way, he could earn the respect back from a lot of people
Doing it your way assures that he wont.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>This goes back to knowing what's in a person's heart. You don't think he feels like what he did was wrong. You want him to feel remorse and feel like what he did was wrong. ie: be good.
I don't care what he thinks in his head. I only care what that he does not do it again. ie: behave.

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#44 Oct 8, 2012
Forget about his jail time,
I want to know if you think he should be allowed back into the football world if there is a team that will take him?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>He'd still be in jail and would not be out in time for any playoffs. The reality is, I don't think ANYONE is arguing over how heinious a crime Sandusky committed. I think ther eis a clear consensus that not only were his actions wrong, but I don't think anyone is arguing that dying in jail is too harsh for him, whereas in the Vick case, ther is no clear cut collective opinion over how heinious a crime it was. I think most people agree a crime was committed, but opinions vary widely as to how bad his crime was andwhether hew was punished by the law too much or not enough.

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#45 Oct 8, 2012
That check from the 1st National bank if Nigeria cleared?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I'm very interested and have a lot of money saved up for investing. Tell me where I should send the check.

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#46 Oct 8, 2012
Actually no, I think a person capable of doing one action is probably capable of doing the other. I am not saying they WOULD, but I think that both acts show a person who views other things as objects who's function is to satisfy there desire's not creatures who should be respected as independent beings.

And that is not to minimize the trauma of being raped either. Yeah its worse to harm a human over an animal, but I think there are studies that show that the rapist started out abusing animals.
So the depravity is equal, but not the victims.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, Mike Tyson came back to boxing after serving time for rape. I'm not a tyson fan nor a boxing fan. Never was, but I'd put rape up higher on the depravity scale than dog fighting. Do you disagree?

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#47 Oct 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
Forget about his jail time,
I want to know if you think he should be allowed back into the football world if there is a team that will take him?
<quoted text>
Yes. I believe in the concept of a person doing his time and then being allowed to live his life with a fresh start. The problem with your hypothetical is that his crime is widely viewed as exponentially more heinious than what Vick did, so even if he was caught as a young man and was not going to die in prison, but only spend 50 years behind bars, by the time he got out, no one would have any interest in hiring him anyway.

Also, I think the mindset of the 2 is completely different. Again, I believe Vick viewed the dogfighting as a past time and had no idea the repercussions would be so great. Sandusky on the other hand, I feel like that's more of a sickness. I COULD see a child molestor being a repeat offender, despie being caught. That's a base urge, not a past time.

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#48 Oct 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
Forget about his jail time,
I want to know if you think he should be allowed back into the football world if there is a team that will take him?
<quoted text>
Would you have a problem if you found out your favorite restaurant hired a new chef, a guy fresh out of prison for being involved in a dog fighting ring? What about your local bank? What if the bank manager had served time for dog fighting? Or rape? Or child molestation? Would you choose not to do business with them? I guess I'm just not sure what your end game is. On the one hand, you say you don't think they should be prevented from working, but at the same time, you won't spend your money on the Giants if they hired him. Do you not believe in the concept of a fresh start after serving your time? You can never know what's in a person's heart, so if someone puts on a good show and makes you think they've changed, that gets your seal of approval even though your really would not know if it was true?

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#49 Oct 8, 2012
You keep trying to put the years behind bars as having some great weight. They dont.
Suppose he only did 24 months for his crime, do you think the NFL should welcome him back if he has a team to take him? You are dancing around that very simple question.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. I believe in the concept of a person doing his time and then being allowed to live his life with a fresh start. The problem with your hypothetical is that his crime is widely viewed as exponentially more heinious than what Vick did, so even if he was caught as a young man and was not going to die in prison, but only spend 50 years behind bars, by the time he got out, no one would have any interest in hiring him anyway.
Also, I think the mindset of the 2 is completely different. Again, I believe Vick viewed the dogfighting as a past time and had no idea the repercussions would be so great. Sandusky on the other hand, I feel like that's more of a sickness. I COULD see a child molestor being a repeat offender, despie being caught. That's a base urge, not a past time.

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#50 Oct 8, 2012
My end game??? I am curious about yours.
You are starting to sound like a sam-edogg chorus. I asked simple questions, sorry of they make you uncomfortable.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Would you have a problem if you found out your favorite restaurant hired a new chef, a guy fresh out of prison for being involved in a dog fighting ring? What about your local bank? What if the bank manager had served time for dog fighting? Or rape? Or child molestation? Would you choose not to do business with them? I guess I'm just not sure what your end game is. On the one hand, you say you don't think they should be prevented from working, but at the same time, you won't spend your money on the Giants if they hired him. Do you not believe in the concept of a fresh start after serving your time? You can never know what's in a person's heart, so if someone puts on a good show and makes you think they've changed, that gets your seal of approval even though your really would not know if it was true?

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#51 Oct 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
You keep trying to put the years behind bars as having some great weight. They dont.
Suppose he only did 24 months for his crime, do you think the NFL should welcome him back if he has a team to take him? You are dancing around that very simple question.
<quoted text>
We shall agree to disagree, cause i do think 2 years in prison is a great weight. Your more of a badass than me if 2 years in prison ia nothing to you. And what am i dancing around? I already said yes to you question. If a convict serves his time, i have no problem with him going out a d getting a job. Hell, i WANT him to get a job. Would you rather he go on welfare? What fo YOU want an ex con to do with his lofe after prison? You seem to be attaching some stipulation that they must show remorse or they don't deserve to start over.

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#52 Oct 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
My end game??? I am curious about yours.
You are starting to sound like a sam-edogg chorus. I asked simple questions, sorry of they make you uncomfortable.
<quoted text>
if i failed to answer your questions, please ask again. i think i've answered them all. i, howver am still waiting to hear an answer from you. you hold the giants to a particular standard., at least as far as the players go. do you hold them or any other organizations to the same standard? Would you stop supportiing them if you found out someone in the front office had served time for a heinious crime? Your local bank manager? Chef at your favorite restaurant? What if the company you work for hired an ex-con like that to head up some other department? Would you quit? To me, this discussion is not about Vick, but about ex-cons and thier life after the big house.

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#53 Oct 9, 2012
If sandusky got out after 24 months in prison would you be ok with your Alma-mater hiring him? Would you welcome their decision?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>if i failed to answer your questions, please ask again. i think i've answered them all. i, howver am still waiting to hear an answer from you. you hold the giants to a particular standard., at least as far as the players go. do you hold them or any other organizations to the same standard? Would you stop supportiing them if you found out someone in the front office had served time for a heinious crime? Your local bank manager? Chef at your favorite restaurant? What if the company you work for hired an ex-con like that to head up some other department? Would you quit? To me, this discussion is not about Vick, but about ex-cons and thier life after the big house.

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#54 Oct 9, 2012
define heinous crime.
for the purpose of answering you question, I will apply vicks crime to each one.
Bank manager? No, I would not close my account, but I would not have them help me. I would go to another branch if necessary.

Chef? Yes, I would probably not patronize them anymore.

My work? No, I would not quit, but I would request not to have to work with them.

To me the question is about vick, not cons in general.
I think there should be support and help for cons to find work once they are out. Not a hand out, but a hand up.

But vick (like it or not) is not a typical con, so the question is not about whether he deserves to have a job, but whether he deserves to play in the NFL.

Should rapists or child molesters become cops?

Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
do you hold them or any other organizations to the same standard? Would you stop supportiing them if you found out someone in the front office had served time for a heinious crime? Your local bank manager? Chef at your favorite restaurant? What if the company you work for hired an ex-con like that to head up some other department? Would you quit? To me, this discussion is not about Vick, but about ex-cons and thier life after the big house.

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#55 Oct 9, 2012
RACE wrote:
But vick (like it or not) is not a typical con, so the question is not about whether he deserves to have a job, but whether he deserves to play in the NFL.
Why? I am looking at it from the perspective that it is a job for which he is qualified for. Why are you not ok with him getting a job as QB, but ok with some other job? Janitor? It comes back to crime and punishment. You want the punishment to extend past the jail sentence and employers to turn him away because of his past whereas I fell like jail is where punishment should end.

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#56 Oct 9, 2012
RACE wrote:
If sandusky got out after 24 months in prison would you be ok with your Alma-mater hiring him? Would you welcome their decision?
<quoted text>
Would I like it? No. Of course I place his crime as far greater than vick's, but regardless of how I feel about him, its not going to change the way I feel about rooting for them. It is none of my concern who the bank hires. My concern is that they do the job for which our relationship is based upon. When I go to a restaurant, I expect prompt service and good food. I have no concern with looking over their employee list and verifying that everyone there is morally upstanding.

Now in the example of YOUR company hiring someone, I give a little more latitude. I think more consideration should be given to the people who would actually be working with the ex-con than customers. Who I hire should be none of your concern unless they are a public face and directly working with the customer.

I'd still like to know what you would have ex-cons do. If everyone acted like you, and took there business elsewhere because they hired an ex-con with a deplorable history, what's the point in letting them out of jail? You seem to WANT them to not be able to achieve any measure of success after they've paid their debt...unless they can prove to you that they are remorseful, which goes back to what I think is our base difference. You want to have the warm and fuzzy feeling that they are changed people and that in their heart, they know what they did was wrong. I just want the warm and fuzzy that they are behaving themselves.

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#57 Oct 9, 2012
RACE wrote:
I think there should be support and help for cons to find work once they are out. Not a hand out, but a hand up.
RACE wrote:
Chef? Yes, I would probably not patronize them anymore.
I find this to be somewhat of an oxymoron. You are for a hand up, but if an ex-con got a job as a chef, you would stop patronizing the restaurant. So is a chef's job is too high on the food chain for your hand up? Is thre an economic level above which you would not want them to attain?

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#58 Oct 9, 2012
Your holding yourself and me to two different standards Tonka.
You ask my view based upon me Knowing the chef clubbed kittens
but you try distance yourself from that knowledge, by saying that you dont do a backround check on everyone hired by the restaurant.

well,I dont either, and unless someone told me, I would never think to ask.

And there is nothing wrong with me taking my business somewhere else. It in no way implies that I dont think the chef deserves to be a chef, rather that I disagree with what he calls sport, and I choose not to support it. Swap out kittens and put in Jews, and its the same for me, does it make a difference to you?

And your right, If I had the warm fuzzy of knowing the person was reformed and learned to appreciate kittens, and not simply abstaining from clubbing them, I would be more inclined to continue to go there.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
I find this to be somewhat of an oxymoron. You are for a hand up, but if an ex-con got a job as a chef, you would stop patronizing the restaurant. So is a chef's job is too high on the food chain for your hand up? Is thre an economic level above which you would not want them to attain?

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#59 Oct 9, 2012
RACE wrote:
Your holding yourself and me to two different standards Tonka.
You ask my view based upon me Knowing the chef clubbed kittens
but you try distance yourself from that knowledge, by saying that you dont do a backround check on everyone hired by the restaurant.
well,I dont either, and unless someone told me, I would never think to ask.
Not a differnt standard at all. I don't care to know who's working in the kitchen, but were that info provided to me, it would not alter my decision to eat there. My decision to eat there is based on the food and the service. Unless the ex-con is negatively affecting one of those, his employement is a non-factor.

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#60 Oct 9, 2012
RACE wrote:
My end game??? I am curious about yours.
You are starting to sound like a sam-edogg chorus. I asked simple questions, sorry of they make you uncomfortable.
<quoted text>
I see a BIG difference between someone serving time and returning to a celebrity status job and one who is in a kitchen cooking (or more likely washing dishes).

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