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edogxxx wrote:
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Personally, I have never been aware of any such hospital. Ever.
Right. And every experience you have had in your life is a representative of the majority.
edogxxx wrote:
You ready to thank Obama for our economy, taxes, and deficit? And lashing out at the GOP for trying to get to the bottom of the Benghazi fiasco which left four Americans dead?
(And just to keep things in perspective, the Boston bombings killed THREE people. That's all over the news. FOUR were killed in Benghazi and you're hard-pressed to hear anything about it. What liberal media?)
Wow, you and you're buddy ring really jump around as it suits you. Discussing gay rights somehow segue's into talking about government handouts and now onto economy taxes and the deficit. Just zig-zag whenever you don't like the way the current topic is shaping up for you? Smoke and misdirection.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
I wasn't talking to you. No sense in attempting a dialogue with willful and deliberate ignorance.
Nice attempt at deflection. Knew I was right. And if I'm so "deliberately ignorant," I should be easy to dispute, right?

Guess I win again.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
Wow, you and you're buddy ring really jump around as it suits you. Discussing gay rights somehow segue's into talking about government handouts and now onto economy taxes and the deficit. Just zig-zag whenever you don't like the way the current topic is shaping up for you? Smoke and misdirection.
I'm not the only one. Tell me please, what do gay rights have to do with amnesty?

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PEllen wrote:
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Try this analogy.
I was born and remain a Jew, but I am not very Jewish.
If someone asks or the subject comes up, I readily acknowledge my heritage but I don't run around saying Oy Vey or dissuading people from eating cheeseburgers because it mixes meat and dairy. My husbands family has always known my background, but we don't talk about it and I don't light Sabbath candles when we go to visit.
It is whom I am but I have no desire to flaunt my Jewishness, although I have been known to foist homemade matzo balls on people.
It is much the same, Red. I have no idea if my MIL is comfortable or unconfortable with my heritage. The subject does not come up.
As far as I am concnerned, same with being Gay.
Well said. Being gay certainly CAN be a lifestyle. Watch the Bird Cage. Go visit Boystown. Tell me there aint no gay "lifestyle."

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May 13, 2013
 
rings90 wrote:
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Thank You that is EXACTLY my point.
When your told by a friend who is a CPA that you would get a bigger refund if you could cut your hours at work, there's something very WRONG with the system.
Apologies for my awful English, I was trying to get it posted before I got called into a meeting.
I don't think I'm ENTITLED for ANYTHING. I have worked very hard, have 13 years of being employed by some of the areas media businesses. Unfortunately it seems employers want people to have more of an educational background than I have.
Its hard to pay for food gas insurance and college courses on less than $10 per hour. And due to the divorce my credit score is too low to get a loan in this economic
climate.
How exactly does the number of hours you work have anything to do with a tax refund? I have never filled out a tax return that asked how many hours I worked or had any kind of tax/refund due table that was structured on the number of hours one works.

Sorry about your credit, but you CAN get loans from the government for education. You may not be able to get grants, but you can get Stafford loans and they don't look at your credit. Additionally, there are scholarships and numerous other non-government grants available. You just have to put in the work and look for them.

Please don't tell me I'm wrong. I got a grant for $35 K for this school year. Granted *most* of it paid my tuition, nevertheless, I got it, so I know they can be had.

Start here: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov then find whichever school you want to go to and contact their financial aid office (they all have one and all (as far as I know) accredited institutions work with FAFSA) and go from there. It *can* be done. Oh, and your being divorced is not really relevant aside fromt he fact that your (ex) husband's income won't count (unless your divorce was final in 2013) so that's not really an excuse.

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May 13, 2013
 
rings90 wrote:
I'm not saying I DESERVE things over anyone else.
I feel for those of us who want to do better & have the desire to do so it seems harder for us to get any aid compared to some others.
In don't care what your bedroom preferences are I personally think white straight males have way less opportunity today than in years past due to affirmative action.
I'm not a supporter of gays using the word marriage due to my religious beliefs. I do however have NO problem with civil ceremonies the couples being granted tax benefits, and the same rights a heterosexual spousal couple has in times of illness and if they choose to have children.
The media businesses I worked for were the the 2 top radio companies in this area for a total of 3 years and for the local CBS TV station for 10. The CBS station was owned & ran by CBS inc. I was working in the Media Library, Master Control, Promotions Marketing departments at the station. The CBS station stole me away from the radio stations to be the Promotional Coordinator. Yes part of my job was calling people & telling them won TV's & Concert tickets.
You're aware that all marriages are a civil contract right? Doesn't matter who/what the officiant is, it is still a state matter... License has to be applied for, filled out, and filed with the appropriate civil authorities. <shrug>

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edogxxx wrote:
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Again with this? Name ONE right rings or myself have that a gay man does not. Just one. I'll wait....
Joint parental rights of children
Joint adoption
Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
Crime victims recovery benefits
Domestic violence protection orders
Judicial protections and immunity
Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
Public safety officers death benefits
Spousal veterans benefits
Social Security
Medicare
Joint filing of tax returns
Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
Child support
Joint Insurance Plans
Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
Estate and gift tax benefits
Welfare and public assistance
Joint housing for elderly
Credit protection
Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans
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May 13, 2013
 
I have the paperwork in for fafsa.

It just seems odd when the financial advisors ask you how many kids you have & when you answer none the response is that's too bad you'd be eligible for more money if you did. It feels like I'm being punished for the choice not to have children. Its not an equal playing field.

If I worked less hours I'd be closer to the poverty level. I guess there's some kind of a credit if you're at that level. Its not really up for discussion as I have to work min. 25hrs a week to make rent & gas.

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May 13, 2013
 
re the right to visit in the hospital - from what i've heard, i think it applies more to critical care situations like the ER where they're trying to limit the number of people coming in. it also applies, as mimi says, to making critical decisions. i have far flung cousins who learned this way that the "silly little piece of paper" really does mean sometihgn. wehn i heard about when and why they got married, i thought to myself that "wow, this really sums up the same-sex marriage movement rihgt here". from what they said, they had no interest in getting married until he was in an accident, and she had no say in his care, despite being long-term live-in partners...

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May 13, 2013
 
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Joint parental rights of children
Joint adoption
Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
Crime victims recovery benefits
Domestic violence protection orders
Judicial protections and immunity
Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
Public safety officers death benefits
Spousal veterans benefits
Social Security
Medicare
Joint filing of tax returns
Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
Child support
Joint Insurance Plans
Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
Estate and gift tax benefits
Welfare and public assistance
Joint housing for elderly
Credit protection
Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans
So if you're gay, you qualify for none of this? Funny, I know a couple of gay people who enjoy some of the benefits listed here. Guess you're wrong, try again.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
Right. And every experience you have had in your life is a representative of the majority.
Didn't realize I had made such a claim, but... much of what I know is what I have personally experienced, yes. I'm not saying there isn't a hospital somewhere that won't allow gays to visit someone, I'm just saying I've never known one, nor read about one.

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Aisle Sitter wrote:
re the right to visit in the hospital - from what i've heard, i think it applies more to critical care situations like the ER where they're trying to limit the number of people coming in.
No, no, no, that can't be right! That would poke a big hole in their argument!

"I want to be present in the OR while you remove the gerbil!"

"We can't allow that, sir."

"You can't!? It's because I'm gay, isn't it!!?"

See how they twist the truth?

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edogxxx wrote:
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I'm not the only one. Tell me please, what do gay rights have to do with amnesty?
I'm sorry, when did I zig to amnesty?

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edogxxx wrote:
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No, no, no, that can't be right! That would poke a big hole in their argument!
"I want to be present in the OR while you remove the gerbil!"
"We can't allow that, sir."
"You can't!? It's because I'm gay, isn't it!!?"
See how they twist the truth?
no, it was a case of trying non-surgical treatments first. hetero spouses cant be present in the operating room either, so now who's twisting the truth...

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edogxxx wrote:
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Didn't realize I had made such a claim, but... much of what I know is what I have personally experienced, yes. I'm not saying there isn't a hospital somewhere that won't allow gays to visit someone, I'm just saying I've never known one, nor read about one.
You most certainly made such a claim. By disputing the claim that gays don't have visitation because you've never seen it, you are claiming your experience to be the only one that means anything. If you have not seen it or experienced it, it must not be true.

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edogxxx wrote:
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So if you're gay, you qualify for none of this? Funny, I know a couple of gay people who enjoy some of the benefits listed here. Guess you're wrong, try again.
// Mister Tonka wrote:
should not complain about being denied rights that you currently have.

Again with this? Name ONE right rings or myself have that a gay man does not. Just one. I'll wait....//

so, here's a list of many rights that hetero spouses have that same-sex don.t and your response is that you know some gay people who have SOME of the benefits... some people, some benefits. not all same sex couples having all the benefits. that's the distinction... not everyone gets ALL of those rights that all of us hetero married couples enjoy.

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i think i'll go pound my head against a brick wall now... at least i'll have a big bloody mess to show of that effort.

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Honestly dog....
Besides yourself, how many gay peeps do you actually know?
edogxxx wrote:
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So if you're gay, you qualify for none of this? Funny, I know a couple of gay people who enjoy some of the benefits listed here. Guess you're wrong, try again.

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PEllen wrote:
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Try this analogy.
I was born and remain a Jew, but I am not very Jewish.
If someone asks or the subject comes up, I readily acknowledge my heritage but I don't run around saying Oy Vey or dissuading people from eating cheeseburgers because it mixes meat and dairy. My husbands family has always known my background, but we don't talk about it and I don't light Sabbath candles when we go to visit.
It is whom I am but I have no desire to flaunt my Jewishness, although I have been known to foist homemade matzo balls on people.
It is much the same, Red. I have no idea if my MIL is comfortable or unconfortable with my heritage. The subject does not come up.
As far as I am concnerned, same with being Gay.
It's not the same at all. You can CHANGE your religion. It's not how you're born.
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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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It's not the same at all. You can CHANGE your religion. It's not how you're born.
That depends on how you define Judaism. If you define as a Religion only than yes you can change it.
If you define it as an particular Ethnicity than it can't be changed.

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