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Mar 22, 2013
 

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RACE wrote:
Wrong and wrong!
It would not bother me in the slightest. I dont feel anyone has to conform, what I dont get is why they dont want to.
My church is not in a building, it does not have a dress code, and it does not care if there are non believers within its mist, but there are people who's faith does have these things, yours being one of them
If I was going to go to a religious ceremony,*I* would want to partake as fully as possible, The entire reason for the ceremony is to Celebrate!
I guess I came across totally wrong, I dont think people are bad for not following the program, nor do I insist that they do follow it. I am just saying that *MY*'tude about the whole thing is that if I am going to partake of a service, even though it is not my faith, I am still going to do all I can to immerse myself into their experience.
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If I had some function to attend in some other house of worship that was not my religion, I would do just as Angela does. I would sit or stand with everyone else. But I would not participate in any of the religious facets or the ceremony. I identify with her take that it would be faking it. I am not Jewish or Muslim. If I had some reason to attend a jewish or Muslim service, I would be there as an observer, not a participant. I don't understand why you feel walking thru the door obligates you to participate.

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#82
Mar 22, 2013
 
I just dont get why not.

I am not saying you should, I just dont get your aversion to doing so.

To me, its not about praying to some God or deity, its about connecting with people. Celebration of the human condition bla bla bla.

Maybe its just my own view that makes it so hard for me to see.


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But you're celebrating GOD/Jesus/other deity.
I will be there to show support for the people getting married, the family of the person who died, the child being baptized, or to keep someone company at Christmas, but I am NOT there to celebrate religion or God or anything like that.

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#83
Mar 22, 2013
 
BTW where's sam? she would be sporting wood reading about me being today!

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#84
Mar 22, 2013
 
Not Obligate, Want.
If I did not Want to be there, I would wait outside. I can be just as much of an observer from the vestibule as I can from the pew.

And I dont get the whole "Faking it" thing. You do something but you feel like a hypocrite to both the religion and yourself for doing it?
Can you explain what "Faking it" is or feels like? and please keep it within the context of participating in the religious service, not giving an example of smiling at the guy who just screwed your wife, or shaking hands with the guy who just took your job.
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If I had some function to attend in some other house of worship that was not my religion, I would do just as Angela does. I would sit or stand with everyone else. But I would not participate in any of the religious facets or the ceremony. I identify with her take that it would be faking it. I am not Jewish or Muslim. If I had some reason to attend a jewish or Muslim service, I would be there as an observer, not a participant. I don't understand why you feel walking thru the door obligates you to participate.

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#85
Mar 22, 2013
 
Being piled upon. Sorry, forgot a word there
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BTW where's sam? she would be sporting wood reading about me being today!

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#86
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
I just dont get why not.
I am not saying you should, I just dont get your aversion to doing so.
To me, its not about praying to some God or deity, its about connecting with people. Celebration of the human condition bla bla bla.
Maybe its just my own view that makes it so hard for me to see.
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To me it's more about personal integrity. I've mentioned before that I grew up christian, but as an adult I have developed a real problem with Jesus (OK, maybe not him personally, but what people do in his name). Yet I have chosen to send my kids to church and sometimes I go with them. When communion time rolls around, I go up with everyone, but I cross my arms over my chest which is the signal for the pastor to give me prayer instead. I do this because taking communion is a big deal, pretty much the biggest that christianity has to offer. I'm supposed to be eating his flesh and drinking his blood and it is totally hypocritical of me to not believe and still take communion.

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#87
Mar 22, 2013
 
Communion!, thats what I was talking about. I remember seeing folks remaining seated during communion.(I was an alter boy)
Why would you go thru the line at all then?
Communion is a big deal,and if it is not your faith I dont think anyone is going to encourage you to do so anyway, or chide you for not doing so. But communion and a bowed head are light years apart.(in my view)

As red said, some things are "catholic only" so even if you wanted to partake, you would be committing an offense if you did try to.
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To me it's more about personal integrity. I've mentioned before that I grew up christian, but as an adult I have developed a real problem with Jesus (OK, maybe not him personally, but what people do in his name). Yet I have chosen to send my kids to church and sometimes I go with them. When communion time rolls around, I go up with everyone, but I cross my arms over my chest which is the signal for the pastor to give me prayer instead. I do this because taking communion is a big deal, pretty much the biggest that christianity has to offer. I'm supposed to be eating his flesh and drinking his blood and it is totally hypocritical of me to not believe and still take communion.

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#88
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
I just dont get why not.
I am not saying you should, I just dont get your aversion to doing so.
To me, its not about praying to some God or deity, its about connecting with people. Celebration of the human condition bla bla bla.
Maybe its just my own view that makes it so hard for me to see.
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It started more as an "I'm not going to fake it, that's disrespectful to the people who BLEIEVE it" (that's why I wouldn't have any reference to Jesus in my wedding ceremony -- he should be mentioned only if the two people getting married believe in Jesus).

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Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
BTW where's sam? she would be sporting wood reading about me being today!
ha!

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Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Communion!, thats what I was talking about. I remember seeing folks remaining seated during communion.(I was an alter boy)
Why would you go thru the line at all then?
Communion is a big deal,and if it is not your faith I dont think anyone is going to encourage you to do so anyway, or chide you for not doing so. But communion and a bowed head are light years apart.(in my view)
As red said, some things are "catholic only" so even if you wanted to partake, you would be committing an offense if you did try to.
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I go through the line because my kids ask me to go up to the alter with them. I have startled more than one pastor/deacon with my request for a prayer; they just assume since my MIL is a deacon that I'm a no-brainer. It's good for them; keeps them on their toes.

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#91
Mar 22, 2013
 
Was god mentioned?
Curious, why should jesus be mentions ONLY if both believe? Why does the non believer trump?
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It started more as an "I'm not going to fake it, that's disrespectful to the people who BLEIEVE it" (that's why I wouldn't have any reference to Jesus in my wedding ceremony -- he should be mentioned only if the two people getting married believe in Jesus).

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#92
Mar 22, 2013
 
Well, if your kids ask, I can see because they are still so young.
squishymama wrote:
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I go through the line because my kids ask me to go up to the alter with them. I have startled more than one pastor/deacon with my request for a prayer; they just assume since my MIL is a deacon that I'm a no-brainer. It's good for them; keeps them on their toes.

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#93
Mar 22, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
What's wrong with CHristians realizing a nonbeliever is attending their services? It can't hurt anything.
Neither can bowing your head. You're on THEIR turf, life doesn't revolve around YOU.
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You don't even go to church and you certainly are not an example of a good Christian.
Now that you got THAT out of the way, did you have a point?

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Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
I just dont get why not.
I am not saying you should, I just dont get your aversion to doing so.
To me, its not about praying to some God or deity, its about connecting with people. Celebration of the human condition bla bla bla.
Maybe its just my own view that makes it so hard for me to see.
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Aversion is not the right word. Aversion is one end of the spectrum. Want/desire is on the other. I am in the middle. Un-interested.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
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When in Rome....except if you want to pray and the Romans don't...F the Romans.
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So the Romans need to justify why they are uncomfortable with praying, otherwise F the Romans.
What the godam hell are you talking about?? You're piecing together different responses from different posts and tying them all to the same argument that's only in YOUR head.

Number one, we don't know if people are doing prayer circles around atheist Bob, that is simply conjecture. If Bob is an atheist, I am on board with not praying around him. However, if Bob is a believer, and members of his church show up and Angela is one of their dates, and they all bow and pray and Angela just stands there humming showtunes because she's gonna make dam sure everybody knows she's a non-believer, THAT is what I take issue with. In that case, would you defend Angela's actions?

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#96
Mar 22, 2013
 
Then why enter the building at all? If you are going as a show of support, you could meet them before and after the service. If you are so apathetic about the service, why even bother?
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<quoted text> Aversion is not the right word. Aversion is one end of the spectrum. Want/desire is on the other. I am in the middle. Un-interested.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
This is much more fun that politics!

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Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Was god mentioned?
Curious, why should jesus be mentions ONLY if both believe? Why does the non believer trump?
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Oh, if it had been important to the person I was marrying, that would have been fine. felt the same way I did.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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What the godam hell are you talking about?? You're piecing together different responses from different posts and tying them all to the same argument that's only in YOUR head.
Number one, we don't know if people are doing prayer circles around atheist Bob, that is simply conjecture. If Bob is an atheist, I am on board with not praying around him. However, if Bob is a believer, and members of his church show up and Angela is one of their dates, and they all bow and pray and Angela just stands there humming showtunes because she's gonna make dam sure everybody knows she's a non-believer, THAT is what I take issue with. In that case, would you defend Angela's actions?
Right. Because the scenario you're presenting is exactly what we've been talking about. insert eye roll here.
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#100
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Communion!, thats what I was talking about. I remember seeing folks remaining seated during communion.(I was an alter boy)
Why would you go thru the line at all then?
Communion is a big deal,and if it is not your faith I dont think anyone is going to encourage you to do so anyway, or chide you for not doing so. But communion and a bowed head are light years apart.(in my view)
As red said, some things are "catholic only" so even if you wanted to partake, you would be committing an offense if you did try to.
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Catholics aren't the only ones who take holy communion. Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Methodists, and some other Protestant denominations take holy communion too.

How they take holy communion may vary from church-to-church. I think it's been a couple of Lutheran Churches where I've been at services that take holy communion at the rail, for example (they go up and knee at the rail if they wish to take communion).

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