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Toj

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#41
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
because it is his church, and the code of conduct to that environment should be respected.
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What church do you go to? Every church I've been to there's maybe 1/4 of the people with bowed heads. Others are gazing at a cross or some relgious imagine. Others are almost snoozing and still others are trying to get there little ones to settle down. I'm sure there's more than a few checking out other men and women, ready to gossip about them or hit on them after church.

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#42
Mar 22, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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So?
So you must not take your religious beliefs as seriously as I do.

I mean, if I'm dealing GOD fercryingoutloud, I'm not going to lie.

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#43
Mar 22, 2013
 
squishymama wrote:
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So you must not take your religious beliefs as seriously as I do.
I mean, if I'm dealing GOD fercryingoutloud, I'm not going to lie.
I don't believe in Buddha. If someone is talking about Buddha, it's not gonna cause me any anxiety whatsoever. Why would it?

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#44
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
What is the harm? Seems to me that walking out to go get a drink of water would be less disruptive, and by doing what you do, you are being disruptive.
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I'm being disruptive just by standing there silently?

That's utterly ridiculous.

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Mar 22, 2013
 

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It's a matter of when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Your in church for whatever reason, what's the harm in looking down at the floor during prayer time?
When in Rome?

SO when we're having an intelligent debate here, what's your excuse for not doing the same?

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#46
Mar 22, 2013
 
Also, people's religion is part of their identity, often.

If I conform, people will assume that I am a believer. I do not want people to assume that.
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Mar 22, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Wedding, funeral, baptism, christmas.
I understand wedding, funeral and baptism, but why would you be there at Christmas then? Just curious... the others are life events that you feel obligated (and likely WANT) to attend because they involve people you care about, but why Christmas?

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#48
Mar 22, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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I don't believe in Buddha. If someone is talking about Buddha, it's not gonna cause me any anxiety whatsoever. Why would it?
But we're not discussing "talking" about Jesus or Buddha. We're discussing participating in a fundamental ritual of a particular religion.

And if you don't believe in that particular religion and place great value on your personal integrity, having someone perform one of those rituals on you/for you can cause some people anxiety.

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#49
Mar 22, 2013
 
Really? When the pastor asks for the congragation to bow for a prayer you see all this going on? What church do YOU go to? The church of Romper-Room and busy bodies? And why weren't you bowing your head???
Toj wrote:
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What church do you go to? Every church I've been to there's maybe 1/4 of the people with bowed heads. Others are gazing at a cross or some relgious imagine. Others are almost snoozing and still others are trying to get there little ones to settle down. I'm sure there's more than a few checking out other men and women, ready to gossip about them or hit on them after church.

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#50
Mar 22, 2013
 
By standing when all others are kneeling yes, no matter how quiet you are you are creating a disturbance. If you cant see that, I think you should at least consider it. By not joining in you are drawing attention to yourself, and that creates discontinuity in the service.
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I'm being disruptive just by standing there silently?
That's utterly ridiculous.

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#51
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
What is the harm? Seems to me that walking out to go get a drink of water would be less disruptive, and by doing what you do, you are being disruptive.
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??? Standing quietly is disruptive?

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#52
Mar 22, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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It's a matter of when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Really? So when you're in the hospital room of a dying atheist, why is it ok to try to involve them in prayer? That hospital room is their Rome. Do as they do and don't pray.

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#53
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Really? When the pastor asks for the congragation to bow for a prayer you see all this going on? What church do YOU go to? The church of Romper-Room and busy bodies? And why weren't you bowing your head???
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The church I go to, the pastor never says "let us bow our heads in prayer", she says "now let us pray" and if I feel like praying while staring at the alter flowers then that's what I'm going to do.

Where your eyes are pointed is not indicative of where your attention is pointed.

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#54
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
By standing when all others are kneeling yes, no matter how quiet you are you are creating a disturbance. If you cant see that, I think you should at least consider it. By not joining in you are drawing attention to yourself, and that creates discontinuity in the service.
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Did she say something about kneeling?'Cause if she did, I misssed it.

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#55
Mar 22, 2013
 
We have had this argument before, You call it conform, like some yoke is placed upon your shoulders that makes you bow your head. I perceive it as showing respect for the tradition and rituals of the house of worship that I am in.

And even if some did mistake you for a believer, of what harm is there in that? What ill could possibly come from such a thing.

You admit to liking to watch girl porn, but insist that you are not gay, and say you dont care if anybody believes it's true or not, but god forbid someone mistake you for a person of faith???

I see that as an overreaction.

Why are you concerned?
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Also, people's religion is part of their identity, often.
If I conform, people will assume that I am a believer. I do not want people to assume that.

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#56
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
What is the harm? Seems to me that walking out to go get a drink of water would be less disruptive, and by doing what you do, you are being disruptive.
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So someone who is not bowing their head and folding their hands, but otherwise lost in the crowd of people who are, is more noticeable than someone squeezes their way out of the pew and walks down the aisle? WTF? Is this edogg?

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#57
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Really? When the pastor asks for the congragation to bow for a prayer you see all this going on? What church do YOU go to? The church of Romper-Room and busy bodies? And why weren't you bowing your head???
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If you are bowing your head, how would you be disrupted by someone who isn't? Unless your head was not bowed either.

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#58
Mar 22, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
By standing when all others are kneeling yes, no matter how quiet you are you are creating a disturbance. If you cant see that, I think you should at least consider it. By not joining in you are drawing attention to yourself, and that creates discontinuity in the service.
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I think common sense would dictate that if the congregation is kneeling and you are not participating, that you would take that opportunity to SIT instead of continue standing. What are you, the church hall monitor? Gonna hand out some demerits? Sounds to me like you are very unwelcoming. Only way you want people to even set foot in your church is if they take part in all the rituals. Should they take communion too?

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#59
Mar 22, 2013
 
In a flock of sheep, will you not immediately notice the black one?
Even though it is acting just as sheepie (sheepely?) as the rest, because its black it's different and it draws your attention.

What if instead of standing quietly, she quietly juggled balls, or walked around and acted like a mime?

Being Quiet is not the issue here.
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<quoted text>??? Standing quietly is disruptive?

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Mar 22, 2013
 
Stina wrote:
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I understand wedding, funeral and baptism, but why would you be there at Christmas then? Just curious... the others are life events that you feel obligated (and likely WANT) to attend because they involve people you care about, but why Christmas?
Nick's family goes en mass (parents, siblings, grandkids, aunt, uncle cousins). So I did that one year. Two years ago, I had him offer to his dad that we'd go to Midnight Mass with him if he wanted (they're Catholic). His dad was really happy with that (I think he's the lone practicing Catholic in the family).

This past Christmas, I told Nick I wasn't going, and he was okay with that. I'd make it an every other year thing or so.

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