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“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#21 May 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
...says the proud mother of a recent college graduate. You telling me that you didn't stress/establish the expectation that she go to college?
Does a college education not greatly increase one's chances of landing a good paying job/career? Is a college education not a major step in the direction of a poor kid getting out of the ghetto?
I don't understand what you're suggesting? Downplaying he importance of education? Whatever you are suggesting, would you have applied that thinking to YOUR children when they were still in high school?
She is not "downplaying" the importance of an education.

Problem is, when everyone and their brother has a college degree, it makes such a degree all the more meaningless.

You need a college degree just to sell oranges on the expressway anymore.

People need a degree just to compete for a job pushing buttons at Subway. Therein lies the problem.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#22 May 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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She is not "downplaying" the importance of an education.
Problem is, when everyone and their brother has a college degree, it makes such a degree all the more meaningless.
You need a college degree just to sell oranges on the expressway anymore.
People need a degree just to compete for a job pushing buttons at Subway. Therein lies the problem.
She said to stop marketing education as something everyone needs to have. You are describing the effects of everyone having a degree. ie: you need one just to compete for lesser jobs since your competition will have better credentials if you don't have a degree. If you can't sell oranges on the expressway without a degree, what chance do non-degreed folks have at making a good living?

So the question remains, what is she suggesting? Telling kids only some people need an education? Telling that to only some kids? WHo determines which kids should go get that leg up on the competition?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#23 May 20, 2013
Of course! She wanted them all to become Pol... er welders.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>...says the proud mother of a recent college graduate. You telling me that you didn't stress/establish the expectation that she go to college?
Does a college education not greatly increase one's chances of landing a good paying job/career? Is a college education not a major step in the direction of a poor kid getting out of the ghetto?
I don't understand what you're suggesting? Downplaying he importance of education? Whatever you are suggesting, would you have applied that thinking to YOUR children when they were still in high school?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#24 May 20, 2013
Actually, i have to apologize, I had thought I deleted the pol reference, but some bells cant be unrung. Sorry anyway.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#25 May 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>...says the proud mother of a recent college graduate. You telling me that you didn't stress/establish the expectation that she go to college?
Does a college education not greatly increase one's chances of landing a good paying job/career? Is a college education not a major step in the direction of a poor kid getting out of the ghetto?
I don't understand what you're suggesting? Downplaying he importance of education? Whatever you are suggesting, would you have applied that thinking to YOUR children when they were still in high school?
Not at all.But not everybody is good at academic subjects. Much of what passes for college is technical training for which you probably don't need 20th Century American Lit, Geo-politics of post WWII Asia etc. If you are interested in that sort of thing by all means learn it, but if you are looking for training for a good job, it is probably not needed and it carries a heavy price tag- school loans which is where the subject started.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#26 May 20, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Not at all.But not everybody is good at academic subjects. Much of what passes for college is technical training for which you probably don't need 20th Century American Lit, Geo-politics of post WWII Asia etc. If you are interested in that sort of thing by all means learn it, but if you are looking for training for a good job, it is probably not needed and it carries a heavy price tag- school loans which is where the subject started.
I see what you're saying and it makes sense. I even kind of agree. the problem I see is this. For me, the primary objective in going to college was to enhance my opportunities for getting a good job and career. I could not care less about 20th Century American Lit, Geo-politics of post WWII Asia, but who do you think is the more attractive candidate to employers? A degreed college graduate or someone who went to some VoTech? So to tell a kid that he does not need that degree, to me that's starting him off with a disadvantage.

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