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SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#48 May 24, 2009
Everything is relative. If you go to a state with lower car and medical insurance, you are probably going to have higher property taxes than you would have in CA. Food and clothing are higher in other locales than they are in CA. Then, there is the weather. I think everyone should live where they will be happy, but I sure wish everyone who stays would do their part to help bring back economic stability to this great state. And, if you are unemployed, stop hoping that your employed friend is going to get laid off soon so you can both be miserable.
Californication

Clearlake, CA

#49 May 24, 2009
Dane Tobbin wrote:
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As a 30 year old, I am sorry that we let our State become nothing but a bankrupt, gang infested, illegal alien colony. My parents, along with most all in their age group, voted for anything with a D beside it's name on a Ballot rather than electing candidates worthy of our trust and support which killed the State.
My friends and I are registered Independents. Any one with an ounce of class couldn't possibly support either political party at this point.
Atta boy, I have kids your age. I can tell you as a life long Demo, that it takes a good kick in the gut to give up "old school" loyalties. But this debacle has done the trick for me. Talk to your folks, if they are as sincere as you are, they will figure it out. We all need to spread the word, and be ready to Get r done.
The taxpayers need to our beloved state back from the manipulators in Sac.
taxpayer

Clearlake, CA

#51 May 24, 2009
SAW wrote:
Everything is relative. If you go to a state with lower car and medical insurance, you are probably going to have higher property taxes than you would have in CA. Food and clothing are higher in other locales than they are in CA. Then, there is the weather. I think everyone should live where they will be happy, but I sure wish everyone who stays would do their part to help bring back economic stability to this great state. And, if you are unemployed, stop hoping that your employed friend is going to get laid off soon so you can both be miserable.
California has one of the highest tax loads in the country, not just income taxes, but ALL taxes and governmental fees levied by the state. The interesting part of that fact is that the all left leaning Demo voting states (New York, Cal, New Jersy, Mass), also have the highest state tax load. Who would have figured that?
Stonedpony

Sweetwater, TN

#52 May 24, 2009
LookingToEscape wrote:
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The state can't pay it's bills. I suppose that is "better".
Some people like to live in a state that can not control crime, illegal entry, gangs, illegal welfare, over spending, just to name a few of the things. I do not fault the good people of California but there are always thoes that keep sucking the state dry and the good people I guess are tired of it. California has stood up and told the politicians no on taxes and the rest of the states should follow suite. California may never what it once was but just maybe it has a chance now for reform.
TIRED OF PAYING

Wheaton, IL

#53 May 24, 2009
Calif is an example of Americas future if we pursue BIG GOVT as Obama and Pelosi are trying to do.

And its also and indicator of what happens when illegal immigration is not checked.

- One school built EVERY WEEK in Calif in an attempt to keep up with the booming hispanic (illegal) population.

Since: Jan 09

United States

#54 May 24, 2009
TIRED OF PAYING wrote:
Calif is an example of Americas future if we pursue BIG GOVT as Obama and Pelosi are trying to do.
And its also and indicator of what happens when illegal immigration is not checked.
- One school built EVERY WEEK in Calif in an attempt to keep up with the booming hispanic (illegal) population.
And my property taxes alone are probably higher than the average mortgage payments in most other states.
Montys python

Henderson, NV

#55 May 24, 2009
Chrgrfan wrote:
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I work at a welfare office in California. What amazes me is we have people who pack their children into a Greyhound Bus and come out here, where they have no family, no friends, and there are no jobs. They know the economic situation before coming here, and they do it anyway. Then they come in needing welfare because they have no way to support themselves or their family.
So don't complain about Californians moving to other states, at least they can support themselves.
They aren't dumb,they know if they get to California,the great state will take care of all their needs through welfare,that includes housing,schools,health care.Why should they be forced to look for work and put in 40 hr weeks at any job in other states when California,no questions asked state, is so free with its taxpayers money?
Montys python

Henderson, NV

#56 May 24, 2009
Gabi in California wrote:
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And my property taxes alone are probably higher than the average mortgage payments in most other states.
That's highly doubtful given that your property taxes are capped by Prop 13.If California really wanted to balance its budget it would get rid of prop 13.
TIRED OF PAYING

Wheaton, IL

#57 May 24, 2009
Gabi in California wrote:
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And my property taxes alone are probably higher than the average mortgage payments in most other states.
Someone must pay for the millions you have in that state that require 100% benefits from Cradle to Grave. And you aren't alone. Other taxpayers are doing the same thing in NY, Illinois, Michigan, etc.

Obama will give Calif several BILLIONS of our money to help out. But, its not going to fix the problem.

It'll be spent while the illegals continue to invade, destroy the school system, and suck the taxpayers dry with free benefits. And that's the problem.

Big Government does NOT work. Somewhere, sometime, someone must stop the spending. And define and eliminate spending on those things that are a permanent drain on society.

Start by eliminating benefits to illegals.
That includes education for their children too.
They will leave if they have no benefits.

Then start identifying other wasteful, tax draining issues, and being to chip away at them.

Question is who has the nerve to do this? Democrats? Not likely. Republicans? Rarely because they gain power too with big government.
Montys python

Henderson, NV

#58 May 24, 2009
jjj wrote:
I think we'll see a new era of "white flight" because what has really been going on is that minorities have created this entitlements system (or in some cases, it was created for them out of necessity by whites), and now it has become uncontainable. The fallout from decades of social engineering and minority entitlement has become encoded in the DNA of the public servant class of workers, so the union system is just as tainted. There is an unfortunate yet predictable side effect of political correctness and reverse discrimmination/AA policies that motivate the spoils system here. The message the whites (at least the ones who don't have cushy public sector jobs), hear is "We hate you, but keep paying us!".
So, it shouldn't be a surprise that a lot of white californians will flee these angry and disgruntled hordes of minority tax recipients.
When they talk in the media about ways to "fix" California, they always bring up things that were fixes in the first place, so that any protections taxpayers have will be gutted. So the writing is on the wall - they will change the state constitution, amend Prop 13, and figure out a way to charge everyone more money on property taxes and fees while still cutting the level of services.
So white flight is equally as inevitable. Almost all of the money being spent represents special interest stuff flowing to minorities, whether you're talking about MediCal or Healthy Families, or the prison system, those are the customers.
And when the spending is put under a microscope, whites (and some of the asians for that matter) are going to look at that and ask themselves, "Why in the hell would I want to pay for this? can't those people pay their own way like me? I'm not going to be a sucker anymore."
And, they'll just leave. Can you imagine the chaos of paying 10-15K a year in property tax for the typical California rickety piece of crap tract house? It boggles the mind...you'd have to be a fool to pay the kinds of rates we'll have. And thats on top of housing that is still more than twice the national average!
My prediction: socialist tax policy that benefits primarily hispanics and blacks will drive whites and asians from CA and make private home ownership financially unfeasible. The state will manage and be the LL on a vast array of formerly private property.(Well, the politicos will transfer the leases to some private entity run by their friends. Can you see it now? Ebay Property Management. The Gavin Newsome Companies Communities. Blechh.
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I used to work in the Mid-Wilshire area,Vermont and Wilshire.Used to come up Hoover from Santa Monica Freeway in the late 70's.The area around Hoover and Union was heavily hispanic with run down homes and generally a blight area.Then came the Boat People and other Asians.Streets were cleaned,home and businesses fixed,painted and spruced up,pride of ownership took over.Hard work does make a difference,of course property values went up also.The Asian community did stand around looking for handouts,they helped each other to succeed.
Jrdn

San Jose, CA

#59 May 24, 2009
Californians need to do more to deal with this problem. For instance, STOP voting in the same pices of shit that keep protecting the other pieces of shit. Short of that, STOP paying taxes. In fact, refuse to pay anything until you receive representation. Taxation without representation is unconstitutional. Short of all that, start shooting and defend your State, Americans and this country.
Montys python

Henderson, NV

#60 May 24, 2009
Meant to say "Asian Community DIDN'T stand around"
Jrdn

San Jose, CA

#61 May 24, 2009
Californians need to do more to deal with this problem. For instance, STOP voting in the same pieces of shit that keep protecting the other pieces of shit. Short of that, STOP paying taxes. In fact, refuse to pay anything until you receive representation. Taxation without representation is unconstitutional. Short of all that, start shooting and defend your State, Americans and this country.
TIRED OF PAYING

Wheaton, IL

#62 May 24, 2009
Montys python wrote:
<quoted text>I used to work in the Mid-Wilshire area,Vermont and Wilshire.Used to come up Hoover from Santa Monica Freeway in the late 70's.The area around Hoover and Union was heavily hispanic with run down homes and generally a blight area.Then came the Boat People and other Asians.Streets were cleaned,home and businesses fixed,painted and spruced up,pride of ownership took over.Hard work does make a difference,of course property values went up also.The Asian community did stand around looking for handouts,they helped each other to succeed.
The same thing is true in Chicago. Asians tend to have a culture of hard work, focus on education, and cleanliness. They contribute more to society than some Americans, and most definitely the Hispanics. Simply looking at the neighborhoods they reside is obvious which culture has their act together and which do not.
SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#64 May 24, 2009
taxpayer wrote:
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California has one of the highest tax loads in the country, not just income taxes, but ALL taxes and governmental fees levied by the state. The interesting part of that fact is that the all left leaning Demo voting states (New York, Cal, New Jersy, Mass), also have the highest state tax load. Who would have figured that?
Steve Lopez of the LA Times wrote in his 2/25/09 column of a study done by a non-profit budget research group that puts CA's rank at 17th among states with the highest overall taxes. If you can site a study that reinforces your claim, do so. And, if you are not afraid of facts, log on to the Times website and read Lopez's column.
SAW

Diamond Bar, CA

#65 May 24, 2009
Gabi in California wrote:
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And my property taxes alone are probably higher than the average mortgage payments in most other states.
How about backing up your claim with some comparative facts.
CALIfornication

Tallahassee, FL

#69 May 24, 2009
Take Brutyn wrote:
Will someone please take Bob Brutyn with them when they go?
yep, heard about him, noone wants him!

“Retired Master Gunny USMC”

Since: Jul 08

Las Vegas

#70 May 24, 2009
The Socialist Republic of California, looks more like TJ everyday, a dirt hole, a place turned into a third world nation.

Tax Tax Tax , only way out, you Democrats and Rhino Rups have turned a once great state into sh*t hole. It looks more like Mexico everyday, a place to stay away from.

Well instead on Tax Tax Tax, how about cutting a lot. You have become a welfare state nothing more, your roads suck to say in nicely,your school system wants to teach that it's normal to be a queer, your prisons are over run by illegals, your court system over rules the will of the people at every turn, illegals are over running your schools and hospitals, Gangs over running cities, government controls on everything from taking a Pi$$ to driving to what you can grow.

A wasted hole, heck, I have avoided the state for 10 years,not a dime to be spent there. Best thing that could occure would be a major flood to wash it clean, but thats just me. And me, I would give it back to Mexico, hell, look what a sh*t hole that is.

Semper Fi
Tom Traynor

Downey, CA

#71 May 24, 2009
It is a GREAT time to own a moving company.

UHaul Trucks even have to charge a premium as so many are refugeeing out and no one is moving to California....legally at least.
TRUE BLUE

Grasonville, MD

#72 May 24, 2009
Chinafornia wrote:
So leave, noooone will miss you. Only the strong survive here.
Or foreigners.

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