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LMS

Elizabethtown, KY

#99727 Jul 25, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
Obviously I have done a poor job of phrasing my question because you are all arguing points that I don't disagree with.
My perception of the outrage of the NFL's weak punishment is that people feel like Rice has suffered no punishment by the hand of law enforcement(and he hasn't) and SOMEBODY needs to punish him. So they expect his employer to do so. They feel his employer has a responsibility to step up where law enforcement failed. This is my perception of the situation and this is what I disagree with. I have no problem if an employer chooses to no longer employ such an individual or levy some other punishment, but I don't feel they owe it to the community at large to be the de facto judge & jury in lieu of the percieved failure of the legal system.
Dog, if you accepted a job that included drug testing and being clean as a condition of employment, then yes, you can be punished for it even if you were not smoking up on the clock. This illustrates what an employer has a RIGHT to do in order to protect their own interests, not something they are doing out of responsibility to the community. I have zero issue with this.
Toj, you agree with me that your employer would not have any responsibility to punish you...but could do so if there was some clause written into your contrct. Responsibiity vs right
Zap. Again. No argument from me over what the NFL has a right to do based on the terms of the player's contract.(However I disagree that they had an obligation to punish him. Unless the specific act committed is spelled out, the punishment or lack thereof is up to the discretion of the employer.)
Sub. I agree. Employer has a responsibility to protect their brand. But that is a responsibility they have to themselves based on self interest. My question is whether or not an employer has a responsibility to un-involved/unffected 3rd parties simply because they have the power to do what those parties want.
I agree with all of you, but its not the question I was presenting. Hopefully I have explained myslef more clearly.
Spoken like the true CRACK HEAD Dumb A$$ That you are!!! Got a problem with that? Suck * ME BOY!!! Come visit me and tell me all about it. My friend KARMA says DITO that!! Stupid* A$$!!!
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“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#99728 Jul 26, 2014

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#99729 Jul 26, 2014
Ha! Tonka got trolled!

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#99730 Jul 26, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't think it's done primarily because they feel a responsibility to un-involved third parties. I think they want to discourage that sort of behavior by those who they are associated with because it doesn't reflect well on the league/brand. It not only sends a message to the player who is punished, but also everyone else in the league. While what doesn't reflect well on the league/brand is determined by public opinion, it's really about image, not feeling responsible. That's what I think, anyway.
I'm not questioning the NFL's motivation or ability to punish. I'm questioning the general public's expectation that the NFL serve as punisher where the law has failed in their eyes. I scrolled thru twitter the other day and ever last one of the sportswriters I follow was up in arms over the NFL's weak suspension.

I agree with your opinion on why the NFL does what it does.

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#99731 Jul 26, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not questioning the NFL's motivation or ability to punish. I'm questioning the general public's expectation that the NFL serve as punisher where the law has failed in their eyes. I scrolled thru twitter the other day and ever last one of the sportswriters I follow was up in arms over the NFL's weak suspension.

I agree with your opinion on why the NFL does what it does.
What Mimi said with a side of Sub.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#99732 Jul 26, 2014
RACE wrote:
Tonka,
I understood what you meant the first time. This is the same argument you used when I said the NFL should not let Vic play again.
Basically I was arguing to get the NFL to get my pound of flesh from him.
You're right. Its a very similar scenario, except in the Vick case, he actually served time.
RACE wrote:
So it really comes down to WHEN should the NFL bring any judgement or punishment on a player for their off field antics?
To me, they do it when it affects their bottom line. As sub said, they do it to protect their image. But in that regard, their motivation is their bottom line, not punishing someone because the courts failed.

Look at the NBA. Donald Sterling did not commit any crime by making the statements he did in private. The courts had no reason to punish him. But the public was outraged. The players were outraged. Sponsors were outraged. I 100% believe the NBA would have swept this under the rug just like they did with the multitude of racist incidents in his past...except this one went viral and was affecting their bottom line. Fans threatening to not come to games. Sponsors dropping them. Players considering a work stoppage? Hell no. We need to do something to stop the bleeding.

In my mind, THAT is (and should be) the company (any company's) main motivation for punishing someone for off the clock off company property behavior. Not this idealistic "let's punish the bad man who got off to easy in court"

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#99733 Jul 26, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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Because they aren't subject to the same standard as the criminal justice system, which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Absent some state law or union contract clause that prevents them from doing so, they can pretty make up their own rules.
Correct. The Donald Sterling case is a good example. His private conversation could not be admissible in a court. But the NBA owners have their own rules. Their own NBA Owner's constitution. Drafted and agreed upon by all of them. Not the same rules as a court of law.

“I Am Mine”

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#99734 Jul 26, 2014
RACE wrote:
Ha! Tonka got trolled!
Quit feeding it, stupid.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#99735 Jul 28, 2014

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#99736 Jul 28, 2014
The sister of the loser twins knocked on my door at ten o'clock last night, said her mom kicked her out and she needed a place to crash. What is it with this family and why do they gravitate towards me? I don't even remember her name

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#99737 Jul 28, 2014
What loser twins? I thought you were the loser twin? Do you really need this explained to you?
edogxxx wrote:
The sister of the loser twins knocked on my door at ten o'clock last night, said her mom kicked her out and she needed a place to crash. What is it with this family and why do they gravitate towards me? I don't even remember her name

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#99738 Jul 28, 2014
RACE wrote:
What loser twins? I thought you were the loser twin? Do you really need this explained to you?
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The other loser twins, the ones that stayed with me for a while and fked me over. And yes, please enlighten me with your wisdom, oh wise sage

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#99739 Jul 28, 2014
Well, since you asked....
You mean the kids who smoked all your tea leaves and crapped in your yard?

The problem with the family is most likely inbreeding with a side of being conceived while the parents were drunk and stoned.

As to why they are attracted to you, it's either that your and easy mark, and its a no brainer to manipulate you, or you're related to them.

Anything else I can help you with?
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
The other loser twins, the ones that stayed with me for a while and fked me over. And yes, please enlighten me with your wisdom, oh wise sage

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#99740 Jul 28, 2014
RACE wrote:
As to why they are attracted to you, it's either that your and easy mark, and its a no brainer to manipulate you, or you're related to them.
<quoted text>
I think they just want to bask in my awesomeness

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#99741 Jul 28, 2014
Ummm, yeah. That would be the no brainer to manipulate you angle I was talking about.
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
I think they just want to bask in my awesomeness

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#99742 Jul 28, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
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I think they just want to bask in my awesomeness
They see you as an easy mark.

So did you let her stay?
Its morning. Is she gone yet?

Since: Aug 08

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#99743 Jul 28, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Quit feeding it, stupid.
Noooo, everyone is welcome to post here. We don't exclude. Remember?

;p

Since: Aug 08

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#99744 Jul 28, 2014
LMS wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like the true CRACK HEAD Dumb A$$ That you are!!! Got a problem with that? Suck * ME BOY!!! Come visit me and tell me all about it. My friend KARMA says DITO that!! Stupid* A$$!!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/campbellsvill...
What kind of coffee do you like to drink?

How is your day going?

:)

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#99745 Jul 28, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
What is it with this family and why do they gravitate towards me?
A moocher can spot a sucker from a mile away.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#99746 Jul 28, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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Noooo, everyone is welcome to post here. We don't exclude. Remember?
;p
Yeah, and? I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting. I'm simply following my own advice and not engaging with someone trolling me.

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