Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#98993 May 22, 2014
j_m_w wrote:
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Perfect. Thanks for testing it for me.
:)
I don't care about texting, I'm not planning on doing any of it during my vacation. I just thought it was interesting that they told me that I would be able to.
They probably mean the iMessage. My daughter and I can message between our iPods (not iPhones) using that, but iMessage requires WiFi and can only be used between Apple products. You can't use to to text someone on an Android.

Have a great vacation! I leave on vaca next week - I can't wait!!!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#98994 May 22, 2014
RACE wrote:
Because I think it's disrespectful to those that died. I also hate that a small group of people are allowed to monopolize that site for their own enjoyment. I also hate that they are planning to put in a restaurant, and that they have a gift shop, and that I have to pay $24 to pay my respects to the dead.
Ground Zero should be a national site, not a private money making carnival.
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Compare Andersonville.. Entrance is free,but you can arrange special functions there.. There is a bookshop. The guy who ran that camp killed 13,000 and was convicted of murder. He was American.

Andersonville, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_Na... .

Nat'l Park Service site http://www.nps.gov/ande/index.htm

I have never been to Arlington. Do they have a souvenir shop (deliberate use of a different term here) or any food service facility? I'll bet they have the obligatory bookstore.

I tend to agree with you about the $24 fee. That makes it a tourist attraction rather than a memorial, but I feel strongly that people in general are more respectful of something they have to pay for.

I am not sure about the small group of people monopolizing the WTC memorial. These are opening events- it is not not next destination wedding locale.

My point is that lots of people are killed by malign forces all the time and all over the world not just at the WTC. It is a memorial, not a holy site nor should it be turned into one.

It is well to remember that every now and then, we have been the bad guys. Dresden.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#98995 May 22, 2014
PEllen wrote:
It is well to remember that every now and then, we have been the bad guys. Dresden.
Don't understand what this comment has anything to do with the WTC memorial. Surely you're not suggesting we deserved to be attacked... Right?

And what about Dresden? It's a nuclear facility around here. I'm not aware of anything significant happening there.

I agree with race, a national memorial should not be privatized. Imagine if the government sold Arlington to a private company?

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#98997 May 22, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
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Don't understand what this comment has anything to do with the WTC memorial. Surely you're not suggesting we deserved to be attacked... Right?
And what about Dresden? It's a nuclear facility around here. I'm not aware of anything significant happening there.
I agree with race, a national memorial should not be privatized. Imagine if the government sold Arlington to a private company?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresd...

This is your Dresden's namesake.

This is what happened to Camp Douglas, situated in Chicago, 1035 E 67th in Chicago about 10 blocks south of the Museum of Science and Industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Douglas_%28...

Modern day

Today, condominiums fill most of the site where Camp Douglas stood. For many years, a local funeral home built on the site maintained prisoner records and a Confederate flag at half-staff. The business closed December 31, 2007. In 2012 an archeological dig at the site was conducted by college students and children from the neighborhood. A group called Camp Douglas Restoration Foundation, formed in 2010, hopes to spur the development of a permanent museum on the site..

My point is that the location of mass casualties caused by acts of war or terrorism should be honored but not sanctified.

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#98999 May 22, 2014
Stina2 wrote:
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They probably mean the iMessage. My daughter and I can message between our iPods (not iPhones) using that, but iMessage requires WiFi and can only be used between Apple products. You can't use to to text someone on an Android.
Have a great vacation! I leave on vaca next week - I can't wait!!!
Thanks!

Yeah, they were talking about iMessages, I just meant I'm not planning on texting anyone, iPhone or not.:)

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#99000 May 22, 2014
Oh, and guess who got upgraded to a balcony? THIS GIRL!

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#99001 May 22, 2014
Stina2 wrote:
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They probably mean the iMessage. My daughter and I can message between our iPods (not iPhones) using that, but iMessage requires WiFi and can only be used between Apple products. You can't use to to text someone on an Android.
Have a great vacation! I leave on vaca next week - I can't wait!!!
but imessage depends on connecting to apple's servers to route the message. If she' on a closed wifi network with no internet access, i don't think imessage will work.

Since: Feb 08

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#99002 May 22, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
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And what about Dresden? It's a nuclear facility around here. I'm not aware of anything significant happening there.
Just laughing like crazy at your ignorance of the subject.
TSTI as usual.
HAHAAHahahahahahahhhhahahahaha ha!

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#99003 May 22, 2014
RACE wrote:
Because I think it's disrespectful to those that died.
I was just f'n with you, but now you seem to be saying those who died and were able to be buried in cemetaries don't deserve as much respect as those who died on 911. Maybe that grave you are ok with dancing on is for a retired war hero. Or a cop who saved many lives over the course of his career.

You wanna say ground zero deserves more reverence because ot was the site of a national tradgedy, ok. But when you start talking about respect for the dead, why does a stockbroker who was in the wrong place at the wtong time deser e more respect than the guy buried on the neigborhood cemetary?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#99004 May 22, 2014
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresd...
This is your Dresden's namesake.
This is what happened to Camp Douglas, situated in Chicago, 1035 E 67th in Chicago about 10 blocks south of the Museum of Science and Industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Douglas_%28...
Modern day
Today, condominiums fill most of the site where Camp Douglas stood. For many years, a local funeral home built on the site maintained prisoner records and a Confederate flag at half-staff. The business closed December 31, 2007. In 2012 an archeological dig at the site was conducted by college students and children from the neighborhood. A group called Camp Douglas Restoration Foundation, formed in 2010, hopes to spur the development of a permanent museum on the site..
My point is that the location of mass casualties caused by acts of war or terrorism should be honored but not sanctified.
So what? That was during wartime. Totally incomparable to 9/11, where innocent civilians were killed by terrorism. That area is sacred ground, despite your anti-American sentiment

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#99005 May 22, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text> Just laughing like crazy at your ignorance of the subject.
TSTI as usual.
HAHAAHahahahahahahhhhahahahaha ha!
I have no doubt about your craziness, but WWII ended about 40 yrs before I was born, so forgive me for not knowing about all the sordid details. We were taught about D-day, Iwo-Jima, Pearl Harbor, the atomic bombs, and that's about it. And I didn't even pay much attention to those because I'm not much of a history buff. I paid more attention in history class to the hot blond in short shorts sitting next to me

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#99006 May 22, 2014
Olaf wrote:
<quoted text>If I may be as dumb as edog for just a moment, Andersonville is the neighborhood on the north side of Chicago where Swedes have historically settled.
Anyway, wasn't ground zero paid for with private donations? Those job creators deserve a little taste for their efforts. Do these guys think that privatization is free? America is a business- NOT socialism. 4000 men and women died in the wrong country to ensure that.
I assume you hadn't read my post with teh link before you wrote this.

Was the Ground Zero memorial privately funded? I haven't looked it up. Regardless, it is a site due respect . Are you suggesting it be treated like the Ka'aba and visitors as if they are on a Hajj? I don't think it should.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#99007 May 22, 2014
j_m_w wrote:
Oh, and guess who got upgraded to a balcony? THIS GIRL!
Neat!. I am envious. Remind me which ports are you going to?

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#99008 May 22, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
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I have no doubt about your craziness, but WWII ended about 40 yrs before I was born, so forgive me for not knowing about all the sordid details. We were taught about D-day, Iwo-Jima, Pearl Harbor, the atomic bombs, and that's about it. And I didn't even pay much attention to those because I'm not much of a history buff. I paid more attention in history class to the hot blond in short shorts sitting next to me
It is even more hilarious that you are so proud of your ignorance that you felt compelled to point it out TWICE! TSTI, that's you.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#99009 May 22, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>It is even more hilarious that you are so proud of your ignorance that you felt compelled to point it out TWICE! TSTI, that's you.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
I'll do it a third time. Just learned about this so-called "Dresden" incident today. At least I don't sound like a braying mule. Who won WWII, BTW?
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#99010 May 22, 2014
I see both sides.
Museums have to be run, lights come on, people are paid. Where else would it come from?
The gift shop is OTT and the restaurant grossly unnecessary, but no one is forced to go. I can pay respect without paying their fee.
Isn't the Pearl Harbor museum costly? Holocaust museums have gift shops.

I think this should have been more of an open park/reflection pond deal, like the Vietname Wall memorial or something.

But people are into making money. The greed from TPTB don't shock me anymore.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#99011 May 22, 2014
edogxxx wrote:
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I'll do it a third time. Just learned about this so-called "Dresden" incident today. At least I don't sound like a braying mule. Who won WWII, BTW?
It's not my job to educate you, especially as you've shown yourself to be intentionally and determinedly ignorant on many occasions.
Go do your own studying.
TSTI.
Still laughing at you, and I'm not alone.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#99012 May 22, 2014
balcony is the best! So happy for you! You will never take another cruise without one,
ENJOY
j_m_w wrote:
Oh, and guess who got upgraded to a balcony? THIS GIRL!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#99013 May 22, 2014
I have already admitted that i am biased. To me the souls of 911 are special, more deserving or respect. I cant articulate why, but to me, it is the same as Arlington. It is one thing to have a picnic and rememberance of those who are lost and quite another to have a "Function" where people groom themselves as if they are the ones that died. They did nothing to earn that. They gave their money for a noble cause, and all nobel causes should be honored in silence, not pomp and ceremony.

If someone died from old age, alheimers, car crash or suicide, its a tragady, but do die because you were living the American dream... To die because you went to work, and some bastard thought your life meaningless..To Attack not just America, but to attack us all. No, those souls need to be preserved, they need to be enshrined, so that we ALL understand what is at stake, and how easily it can all be taken away.

I am not saying any one person deserves more respect than another, but what I am saying is that the reason they died is.
The people who died on the Arizona are just as important as the people who died in the CA earthquakes, its not the fact that they died, its HOW the died. For some, it was a tragedy, for others it was a senseless act of brutality. The How is what needs to be remembered.

Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I was just f'n with you, but now you seem to be saying those who died and were able to be buried in cemetaries don't deserve as much respect as those who died on 911. Maybe that grave you are ok with dancing on is for a retired war hero. Or a cop who saved many lives over the course of his career.
You wanna say ground zero deserves more reverence because ot was the site of a national tradgedy, ok. But when you start talking about respect for the dead, why does a stockbroker who was in the wrong place at the wtong time deser e more respect than the guy buried on the neigborhood cemetary?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

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