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“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#94014 Nov 22, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>I already said it's fine with me if they don't speed up the law's enactment, it's only going to let people have more time to plan their weddings. It's not like they're going to make them wait six months after getting the license to wed. They'll have the same waiting period that anyone else has, if there is one there.
I followed plenty, I have simply never heard a good reason why it should be prevented. Not one. All I hear is you don't like it, or you think it's wrong, but not any REASON it is wrong or any proof that it causes any harm.
If it isn't hurting people, and is helping many, there is no reason it shouldn't be legal and entitled to ALL the same benefits as heterosexual marriage. Not just on the state level, but federally.
I do think you're just jealous. Of the gays marrying, and of those of us who support it. You are a sad, sad, lonely little man, aren't you?
And I've never heard a good reason FOR gay marriage. Other than "IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!"

I find it ridiculous to rewrite the laws of a sacred institution just to appease .05% of the population. And what about religious institutions? Now they're forced to accept and provide benefits for a practice their religion forbids. Is that fair to them?

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#94015 Nov 22, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
And I've never heard a good reason FOR gay marriage. Other than "IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!"
I find it ridiculous to rewrite the laws of a sacred institution just to appease .05% of the population. And what about religious institutions? Now they're forced to accept and provide benefits for a practice their religion forbids. Is that fair to them?
It ISN'T fair that any part of the population is denied the same rights as everyone else.

Marriage is NOT and never has been a "sacred" institution. If you knew ANYTHING about history, you would know that.

NO religions are being compelled to endorse ANYTHING. There is NO LAW in this country that says that ANY religious entity is required to perform ANY marriages at all, straight OR gay. That is a BS statement and you know it.

Marriage is a LEGAL (secular) contract. The fact that many people choose to have a wedding performed by clergy inside of their own religious tenets is just that, a CHOICE.

The LAW(s) say that the STATE, you know that which is rightfully SEPARATE from religion may not deny to one group of citizens the same rights enjoyed by all other citizens.

The fact that the idea of gay people existing makes it impossible for YOU to get a boner is irrelevant.

To paraphrase Shakespeare, I think thou doth protest too much.

Respond if you like but I'm done talking to you, you freaking half-wit dolt. Je ne m'attends pas à ce que vous compreniez la profondeur de votre sale fils de pute stupidité.

“Not a real reg”

Since: Jan 13

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#94016 Nov 22, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
<quoted text>

The fact that the idea of gay people existing makes it impossible for YOU to get a boner is irrelevant.
He just found out his blow up Barbie was previously a Ken.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#94017 Nov 22, 2013
Your avatar is labeled "A thought". Just wondering what it was, because I dont see it here.

It could also be an elective like drivers ed dummy.
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe in Sparta. Not here.
Shooting/Gun Safety training classes are out there for those who WANT to learn.
99% of we the people get by just fine without guns and no part of the 2A requires gun ownership.

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#94018 Nov 22, 2013
Seemingly random question that stems from a frustrating Facebook convo - where/how do you obtain your contraception? If it was not available through insurance, would reliable contraceptives be in your budget?

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#94019 Nov 22, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Amy
http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/TI4M5GLBKF...
Abby
http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/TCT472UL3R...
Remember where you were when Kennedy was shot? I was on the grassy knoll. There was a second shooter after all. The third and final shot was an accidental discharge from a secret service agent named George Hickey who was in a car behind the president. Oops. Mystery is finally solved.
He totally f'd up the bay of pigs, by denying air support, but he handled the Cuban missile crisis well. I honestly don't think he'd even recognize the Democrat party today.

The democrat party has strayed so far from:

"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

It's not even a thought that exists for them anymore. Not even in the slightest. They are the party of zero personal responsibility and zero personal accountability. They honestly think that a lack of money is the cause of poverty, when it is merely a symptom of what causes folks to be poor.

Heard an interesting story on NPR yesterday, about Philadelphia schools and how poor children are so disadvantaged from a very early age in a range of areas, from vocabulary, reading, social skills. The one person said the people of Philadephia should be ashamed. I thought to myself, why … the causes of this are parenting or I should say a lack thereof. Creating more entitlements unfortunately doesn’t make a poor parent a good parents, however. It doesn’t make a parent sit down and do the chore of reading with their child … doing homework with them … teaching them how to speak proper English (as I do with my children and they usually give me a flippant attitude, but I always tell them, they will thank me when they are older and they get it … I tell them they will thank me when they look for a job or when they talk to a girl they want to date).

Case in point, the one mother they talked about had one child with one man who abandoned her and the child and two more children with a man who is in prison. What are the odds that someone with such pi$$ poor judgment could ever raise a child to achieve? It would almost take the rare child who has an innate sense of achievement in him to break way from that. Money won’t do it.

These things are completely lost on liberals. They honestly think money is the problem. However, you don’t need money to stress education, teach children, be a good parent, put in effort, and money doesn’t fix it where it is lacking. If folks would do these things you wouldn’t have so families where generation after generation underachieve.

They offer no solutions. I liken their solutions to putting tourniquets and band aids on a hemophiliac and not addressing the fact that the problem is coagulation and that this is what needs to be addressed. Knee jerk reactions is about the extent of their thought on the issue.

Not that republicans are perfect. Their sentiments on many social issues and the notion of what freedom means (IMO, unless one is harming other people, folks should be free to their life as they see fit, not as others would see fit ... including gay folks) are repulsive to me.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#94020 Nov 22, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Marriage is NOT and never has been a "sacred" institution. If you knew ANYTHING about history, you would know that.
This right here, this proves it. Gay supporters don't believe in the sanctity of marriage and wish to see it destroyed.

Secondly, there is no such issue as "gay rights." Gays are not denied a single constitutional right straights enjoy. The issue is "gay privilages ."

And third, religious institutions that EMPLOY people and provide benefits, may be FORCED to provide the same benefits for homosexual couples. This is a reality, and one of the major sticking points for those trying to fight gay marriage.

And finally, you hurl more petty insults at me, because you can't understand my views. How so very typical.

But I'm gonna drop it. I'm not gonna change your views any more than you're gonna change mine.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#94021 Nov 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
would reliable contraceptives be in your budget?
Absolutely, it's called abstinence

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#94024 Nov 22, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely, it's called abstinence
Should low income married couples practice abstinence? Isn't sex part of a fulfilling, committed marriage or is it just for procreation?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#94026 Nov 22, 2013
Ok, since your having a hard time grasping my concept.
Gun safety should be a required course in schools, or at the very least offered as an elective.

You would think parents would encourage their kids to take such a class because even if they don't own guns, the parents of their kids friends might, and such a class could save their life.

So, whats your next gripe?
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Slow arguing day for you? You said it should be "required". I said that such classes were out there for those that want to learn but that it shouldn't be required, a la Sparta. Now you say gun classes could be an "elective" which is what I suggested in my post.
Maybe your avatar should read: "An Idea Stealer" or "Blind Man's Bluff"?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#94027 Nov 22, 2013
And I did NOT say required

RACE wrote:
Both Squishy and I believe that gun safety should be taught in school.
<quoted text>

So, either learn to read or quit putting words in my mouth.
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Slow arguing day for you? You said it should be "required". I said that such classes were out there for those that want to learn but that it shouldn't be required, a la Sparta. Now you say gun classes could be an "elective" which is what I suggested in my post.
Maybe your avatar should read: "An Idea Stealer" or "Blind Man's Bluff"?

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#94028 Nov 22, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>The GOP plan is that, if contraception is not available by insurance or available in stores, people will just stop having sex unless it's strictly for procreation and not at all enjoyable.
Hmmm, my first reply isn't showing up. Let's try again...

Are you going to give an actual answer to the question or just act like a partisan glassbowl?

This is why are getting nowhere in this country - because people are too busy blaming other people or spewing rhetoric to have actual conversations.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#94032 Nov 22, 2013
Oh, shut up moron, I was simply pandering to your post about what I said, not what I actually said.

Nice try though loser, Oh, and what exactly was your thought? Right, you never had one.
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>THIS was right above:
"Ok, since your having a hard time grasping my concept.
Gun safety should be a required course in schools, or at the very least offered as an elective."

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#94033 Nov 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
<quoted text>
Should low income married couples practice abstinence? Isn't sex part of a fulfilling, committed marriage or is it just for procreation?
Swallow. Condoms aren't ridiculously expensive. Use the beer money. Whatever. All I'm saying is *I* am not responsible for YOUR birth control.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#94035 Nov 22, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>The GOP plan is that, if contraception is not available by insurance or available in stores, people will just stop having sex unless it's strictly for procreation and not at all enjoyable.
The GOP plan is personal responsibility. A concept lost on liberals.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#94037 Nov 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
Seemingly random question that stems from a frustrating Facebook convo - where/how do you obtain your contraception? If it was not available through insurance, would reliable contraceptives be in your budget?
Planned parenthood. Both of my girls used that service when they wer in school and the insurance did not cover contraception.

That is one of the main reasons they are one of the few charities I send money to- because their efforts are aimed at controlling whether you get pregnant as well as ancillary stuff.
Also,, around here there are a couple of less well publicized organizations that do education on sexual health issues and provide access to pills inexpensively

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#94038 Nov 22, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the rhetoric I hear out of the right is they are pandering to the sentiments of the Christian right that dictates that sex is solely for procreation in marriage so, contraception is NOT necessary because if you are not married, you should only be practicing abstinence anyway. Thus, they don't want it to be part of an insurance package because it would encourage people to have sex just for fun.

That is my actual answer.
I didn't ask what your interpretation of the GOP's mindset is.

I asked what other alternatives there are that people are actually using and how changes in insurance would affect those decisions.

You can't make everyone follow your belief system and people don't want some politician telling them how they "should" live. I am an optimist and an idealist, but I would rather look at society objectively and realistically than get so caught up in ideals that nothing gets accomplished.

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#94039 Nov 22, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>The GOP plan is personal responsibility. A concept lost on liberals.
Promoting personal responsibility only works when citizens are educated and have the means to be self-sufficient.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#94040 Nov 22, 2013
No, you shouldn't. You should just admit your wrong, you were bested and shut your pie hole.

Cheers.
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Yikes! I guess I shouldn't bring up your post from yesterday when you chastised someone for "name-calling".
You're kind of a hypocrite....

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#94041 Nov 22, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
He totally f'd up the bay of pigs, by denying air support, but he handled the Cuban missile crisis well. I honestly don't think he'd even recognize the Democrat party today.
The democrat party has strayed so far from:
"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
It's not even a thought that exists for them anymore. Not even in the slightest. They are the party of zero personal responsibility and zero personal accountability. They honestly think that a lack of money is the cause of poverty, when it is merely a symptom of what causes folks to be poor.
Heard an interesting story on NPR yesterday, about Philadelphia schools and how poor children are so disadvantaged from a very early age in a range of areas, from vocabulary, reading, social skills. The one person said the people of Philadephia should be ashamed. I thought to myself, why … the causes of this are parenting or I should say a lack thereof. Creating more entitlements unfortunately doesn’t make a poor parent a good parents, however. It doesn’t make a parent sit down and do the chore of reading with their child … doing homework with them … teaching them how to speak proper English (as I do with my children and they usually give me a flippant attitude, but I always tell them, they will thank me when they are older and they get it … I tell them they will thank me when they look for a job or when they talk to a girl they want to date).
Case in point, the one mother they talked about had one child with one man who abandoned her and the child and two more children with a man who is in prison. What are the odds that someone with such pi$$ poor judgment could ever raise a child to achieve? It would almost take the rare child who has an innate sense of achievement in him to break way from that. Money won’t do it.
These things are completely lost on liberals. They honestly think money is the problem. However, you don’t need money to stress education, teach children, be a good parent, put in effort, and money doesn’t fix it where it is lacking. If folks would do these things you wouldn’t have so families where generation after generation underachieve.
They offer no solutions. I liken their solutions to putting tourniquets and band aids on a hemophiliac and not addressing the fact that the problem is coagulation and that this is what needs to be addressed. Knee jerk reactions is about the extent of their thought on the issue.
Not that republicans are perfect. Their sentiments on many social issues and the notion of what freedom means (IMO, unless one is harming other people, folks should be free to their life as they see fit, not as others would see fit ... including gay folks) are repulsive to me.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan had his early public service as part of teh JFK administration.

Many of the programs you are reviling stared with his notions but mainly those developed under Johnson.

Still, if you are looking to blame Kennedy for something, he is a good place to start

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_M...

US involvement in Vietnam , like most foreign affairs was a continuum, but the first advisers were sent in by Kennedy. It escalated under Johnson, certainly, but Kennedy put us in there after the French were kicked out at Dien Ben Phu in 1952.

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