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#93742 Nov 18, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I think one can get their point across without changing the colors of the flag. However, I will support someone's right to create a piece of art that represents their feelings and ideology. That is the beauty of our country. We don't imprison or kill people for displaying drawings that we don't like.
IMO, I think that when people use statements or images for shock value, they lose much of the message because people are too focused on the shock. Not everyone shares my opinion, though, and they are free to express themselves however they like. They just have to be prepared for any reactions from their audience.
No one, least of all me, is talking about imprisoning or killing folks or saying that it’s not someone’s 1st Amendment right to display such a flag.

What I am saying is that some things like our nation’s flag should not be used in in such a manner. Just like someone who is against gay marriage should not take our nation’s flag and use the stars to spell out “god hates gays,” regardless of whether this represents their feelings and ideology. It's just not appropriate (which is not the same as saying it is illegal).

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#93743 Nov 18, 2013
If you cant see that taking an American flag and substituting the stripes with rainbow stripes, then running it up a flag pole as a statement telling all the world that you are not just an american, but a GAY american is a desecration, then I submit you to be a total moron.
NO, it is not an American flag, but it is being used as a substitute for one, and that is the desecration.

The American flag is to be the top most flag on any flag pole, below it you can fly whatever the hello you want. By that flag being topmost, the person is stating that they care not a sheit for the lives and blood of the people who died giving them the right to be suchanasshole.

Are you sure your not sam? You seem to have a real problem admitting when your wrong.
Toj wrote:
des·e·crate
transitive verb \&#712;de-si-&#716;kr &#257;t\
: to damage (a holy place or object): to treat (a holy place or object) with disrespect
Above - that's from Webster's Dictionary.
First of all, it was not the American flag and you know it. The fact that it has a likeness to the American flag (and not an exact replica) that is being used to show equality is NOT something that damages nor disrespects the flag.
If you think otherwise, ask yourself why. Is it the subject matter that damages it? The thought of equality that damages it?
I am grateful for all the good men and women who have served for our country and fought for freedoms.

Since: Aug 08

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#93745 Nov 18, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Well, Captain Oblivious, a modified form of the American flag is NOT *the* American flag.
Thanks Captain Obvious II for explaining to all of us that she didn’t use “the” red white and blue, American flag. Had you not come out of your paint huffing stupor to explain this, we would have never figured this out.
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Should politicians wear flag pins as they do? Isn't that sort of a modified flag used for political purposes, Captain Oblivious?
Apparently you are too effing dumb to realize that a non-modified American flag is not sort of like a modified American flag.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93746 Nov 18, 2013
squishymama wrote:
The first picture stunned me.
http://galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com/chi-...
Such unbelievable destruction

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#93747 Nov 18, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Such unbelievable destruction
Despite your jerkiness, I was really worried about you.

The photos of just the slabs and flooring of several homes makes me wonder about the construction of those houses. They just desintegrated...

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#93748 Nov 18, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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Despite your jerkiness, I was really worried about you.
The photos of just the slabs and flooring of several homes makes me wonder about the construction of those houses. They just desintegrated...
The news channel I was watching mentioned they were "manufactured homes".

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93749 Nov 18, 2013
squishymama wrote:
Despite your jerkiness, I was really worried about you.
The photos of just the slabs and flooring of several homes makes me wonder about the construction of those houses. They just desintegrated...
Well, a house isn't gonna hold up too well when an F4 tornado passes through it. A different tornado hit my area, I think it was an F2. Luckily it hit the next town over and my only damage was a busted fence post.

But you have a point about the construction. They use fewer nails and cheaper-grade materials than they used to. And still housing prices are ridiculously high.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#93750 Nov 18, 2013
squishymama wrote:
The first picture stunned me.
http://galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com/chi-...
O dpn' think I have see anything that so exemplifies a twisting motion than that photo. Stunned is a good word

“...,to wit”

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#93751 Nov 18, 2013
I don't

Since: Feb 08

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#93752 Nov 18, 2013
I see dog made it through the storms. Thought I'd change my icon to cheer him up.
Wait, that's to cheer ME up.

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Since: Dec 08

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#93753 Nov 18, 2013
dog, race...

So exactly what constitutes a desecration of the flag and lady liberty in your book? Any depiction that supports a position you don't share? OR ANY artistic deviation?

Is famed artist Peter Max offensive?

https://www.google.com/search...

Peter Max has painted for six U.S. Presidents and his art is on display in Presidential Libraries and in U.S. Embassies. Max has painted our Lady Liberty annually since America's Bicentennial and in 2000 a collage of his Liberties adorned over 145 million Verizon phone books.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93754 Nov 18, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
dog, race...
So exactly what constitutes a desecration of the flag and lady liberty in your book? Any depiction that supports a position you don't share? OR ANY artistic deviation?
Is famed artist Peter Max offensive?
Okay, Scarlet actually summed it up perfectly. When you use a depiction of our flag or national symbols in such a way to create "shock value," you are taking away from your issue and instead pzzing people off.

That is counter-productive to the very thing you are trying to get support for.

Instead, I, and half the country that agrees with me, are more UNlikely to support your cause BECAUSE of the way you're presenting your case. When you turn the United States flag into a rainbow, when you turn our symbols for freedom and justice into lesbian porn, I, and many others like me, find your actions, and therefor your cause, deplorable.

Maybe more than 30% of states would support gays, if you people didn't act that way?

Think about it.

You want respect? Show America some respect.

Instead you're shoving it in our faces how much you hate America because a majority of Americans don't share YOUR views. Turn it around. Show respect, and you might get some.

Since: Feb 08

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#93755 Nov 18, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Okay, Scarlet actually summed it up perfectly. When you use a depiction of our flag or national symbols in such a way to create "shock value," you are taking away from your issue and instead pzzing people off.
That is counter-productive to the very thing you are trying to get support for.
Instead, I, and half the country that agrees with me, are more UNlikely to support your cause BECAUSE of the way you're presenting your case. When you turn the United States flag into a rainbow, when you turn our symbols for freedom and justice into lesbian porn, I, and many others like me, find your actions, and therefor your cause, deplorable.
Maybe more than 30% of states would support gays, if you people didn't act that way?
Think about it.
You want respect? Show America some respect.
Instead you're shoving it in our faces how much you hate America because a majority of Americans don't share YOUR views. Turn it around. Show respect, and you might get some.
Ahhh. Poor puppy. Whine some more, I'm still able to control the laughter.
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#93756 Nov 18, 2013
I'm confused. I don't see anything gay-related in Toj's flag avatar. Is that a separate issue or did it get changed?
What I see is an American flag-esque heralding free speech, something our nation used to be founded on.

I am very patriotic and love my country, but I'm not psycho offended by every little thing. Throwing a real flag on the ground and steppin on it (looking at you, Lil Wayne) or burning it, sure, but to make use of one to promote the very values that were once accepted in this nation...please.

We are getting offended by everything lately. Our nation is no longer recognizable. We should be happy the 3 colors are right! We should put the same energy into protecting the Constitution that is being raped.

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#93758 Nov 18, 2013
cheluzal wrote:
I'm confused. I don't see anything gay-related in Toj's flag avatar. Is that a separate issue or did it get changed?
What I see is an American flag-esque heralding free speech, something our nation used to be founded on.

I am very patriotic and love my country, but I'm not psycho offended by every little thing. Throwing a real flag on the ground and steppin on it (looking at you, Lil Wayne) or burning it, sure, but to make use of one to promote the very values that were once accepted in this nation...please.

We are getting offended by everything lately. Our nation is no longer recognizable. We should be happy the 3 colors are right! We should put the same energy into protecting the Constitution that is being raped.
She previously had an avatar of the American flag with rainbow colored stripes, instead of just red and white. That is what started this discussion.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93759 Nov 18, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
Who is raping the Constitution and how?
Your president. Taking away the following:

Amendment #1: Religious freedom

Amendment #2: Gun rights

Amendment #4: Unreasonable search and seizures (NSA, anyone?)

Amendment #5: Right against self incrimination

Oh, it goes on. Do I really need to list them all? You won't believe me anyway. You're just gonna keep your head in the sand and insist that everything is fine because your leaders told you so. Isn't that right? Good little liberal.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93760 Nov 18, 2013
cheluzal wrote:
I'm confused. I don't see anything gay-related in Toj's flag avatar. Is that a separate issue or did it get changed?
She changed it. So I'll give her a little credit for that (unlike that despicable Moon character) but initially she had a desecration of the American flag by having rainbow colors in place of the Red and White. That's what started the whole thing. I'll admit it doesn't make as much sense seeing the avatar as it currently is.

But you know what DOES make sense? How beautiful you are.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#93761 Nov 18, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
She previously had an avatar of the American flag with rainbow colored stripes, instead of just red and white. That is what started this discussion.
Alrighty then, I could have saved some typing if this had shown up at first
:)

But you didn't remark on Chel's beauty!

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#93762 Nov 18, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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She changed it. So I'll give her a little credit for that (unlike that despicable Moon character) but initially she had a desecration of the American flag by having rainbow colors in place of the Red and White. That's what started the whole thing. I'll admit it doesn't make as much sense seeing the avatar as it currently is.
But you know what DOES make sense? How beautiful you are.
I thought I'd just wait it out to find out what the posts would be to the Free Speech flag. I thought my point might be made. I really didn't know if it would. I really didn't think it would be made this quick.

Chel, I had the rainbow flag with the stars in honor of Hawaii passing the same sex marriage bill. Above the flag I had "Equality" and I had it as my avatar when Hawaii passed the same sex marriage bill.(picture of it: http://www.rainbowdepot.com/Rainbow-Stars-Fla... )

I can't think of anything more American than the pursuit of equality for all people who live in these United States and also Free Speech -- which ties into the LGBT flying their flags.

Also, I believe Race is incorrect about having an American Flag on the flag post on top. That's only the case if you have one flag post and you are flying the American Flag and another flag. Otherwise, all those people with different kinds of flags flying in front of their house are descretating the American flag by not having the American flag on top of the flag pole and then their other flag. When flying the American flag it needs to be the prominent one. I again say I did not have the American flag on my Avatar -- go look up the Liberia flag, Race.(Picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Liberia ) Perhaps I was descretating that one or any number of flags that have red and white stripes with stars.

Further, I believe it to be known it was NOT meant to be negative so intent was just not there. I had the feeling those posts were connected more with the content than the actual flag.

I am a firm believer in the freedoms of which our veterans and future soldiers fight for. I am a believer in the American people b/c that includes the soldier and everyone here who do their part. What those colors of the LGBT mean are everything very American.

red: stands for courage;
orange: offers the vision of possibilities;
yellow: represents the challenge that GREEN has kindled;
green: indicates a challenge to co-operators to strive for growth of membership and of understanding of the aims and values of co-operation;
sky blue: suggests far horizons, the need to provide education and help less fortunate people and strive toward global unity.
dark blue: suggests pessimism: a reminder that less fortunate people have needs that may be met through the benefits of cooperation.
violet: is the colour of warmth, beauty, and friendship.

Just sayin'.:)

But go ahead. Perhaps you believe that was more offensive than you or Race saying many vile things to me and others in your posts and anyone that disagrees with you.

Here, Edog. A flag for you. http://www.proworldinc.com/a3314f-republican-...

Toj

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#93764 Nov 18, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
Here, Edog. A flag for you. http://www.proworldinc.com/a3314f-republican -...
THOSE UN-AMERICAN BATSARDS!!!!!!!
I have no idea who put the nasty icons on your post but the link isn't working for me. Given the nasty icons, I am really wonder what it was.

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