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Since: Jun 09

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#93211 Nov 6, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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He doesn't have much of a choice ... instead of dealing with the problems as a good mayor should do, Daley totally f'd over the city in his last few years. That parking meter deal alone was so dumb and short sighted.
Daley's legacy is that he made sure all the different groups got theirs in relatively fair measures. His financial handling was awful and as we learn more and more, not at all transparent Millenium Park which is indeed a gem was 4 years lat and 1
$17 million over budget and now we ar learning that there are some bonds or other obligations for the park which he agreed to but wasn't publicized.

The park is grand. The Bean has become the hallmark of the city along with the Picasso. I am quite sure he couldn't have gotten it passed if the true likely cost were known.

The parking meters.

Meigs Field being bulldozed.

Someone remind me of other good stuff he achieved in his 20+ years.

The pensions

John Burge, police torturer who was on the police force when Daley was States Attorney and while he was mayor.

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#93212 Nov 6, 2013
OMG, this is awesome. Brought tears to my eyes. http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/san-fran...

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#93213 Nov 6, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
OMG, this is awesome. Brought tears to my eyes. http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/san-fran...
That is amazingly amazing! Brought tears to my eyes as well. Posted it on FB.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93214 Nov 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
In a way I'm kinda happy. It pretty much guarantees that democrats are done in Illinois.
Didn't you also say Obama was done after 1 term?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#93215 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Didn't you also say Obama was done after 1 term?
Too bad I was wrong, eh? How's the Obamacare rollout going for you? How's our jobs?

Here's another prediction:

Illinois will turn red in 2014. So will the Senate. And Bammy will be impeached in 2015.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93216 Nov 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Too bad I was wrong, eh? How's the Obamacare rollout going for you? How's our jobs?
Here's another prediction:
Illinois will turn red in 2014. So will the Senate. And Bammy will be impeached in 2015.
You really don't have a solid track record at political prognostications.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93217 Nov 6, 2013
Anyone following the Richie Incognito saga?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#93218 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't have a solid track record at political prognostications.
I haven't really made any.

I was wrong about Obama but only because of dead and illegal alien voters.

We'll see if I'm wrong next November.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#93219 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Anyone following the Richie Incognito saga?
It's a propagandized state run media story against the latest liberal agenda about bullying. It will go the same route as their screams against global warming and racism.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#93220 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
You really don't have a solid track record at political prognostications.
Oh, and I was right about Obamacare. It's doubtful the dems will be able to wipe the egg off their face for allowing a partial government shutdown over it.

Meanwhile, Repubs are saying "told you so!"

How's it feel to be wrong?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93221 Nov 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
How's it feel to be wrong?
Wrong about what?

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#93222 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Anyone following the Richie Incognito saga?
Yes. What a colossal a$$ that guy is.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93223 Nov 6, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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Yes. What a colossal a$$ that guy is.
That was my initial reaction, but ever time I read a new article, the story twists a bit. I've seen quotes from current and former team mates, black and white, all supporting him. Pouncey, Ricky Williams, and more saying they don't consider him racist and feel him dropping the N-word doesn't mean jack. One article said some of the black team mates considered him an "honorary black guy"(not sure what the actual quote was).

The latest from um-named sources: COACHES gave him the order for the proverbial "code red". They wanted Incognito to toughen him up and he was just following orders.

Basically, I'm seeing very few players who support Martin. Most of the outrage is from us outside the NFL locker rooms.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93224 Nov 6, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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Yes. What a colossal a$$ that guy is.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/ 0ap2000000277722/article/hartl ine-jonathan-martin-laughed-ab out-voice-mail

“...,to wit”

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#93225 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Anyone following the Richie Incognito saga?
Is it a saga. he is an a*shole and has been called on it. He will keep talking and will dig himself deeper.
I am reminded of the crew in Slapshot

“...,to wit”

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#93226 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>That was my initial reaction, but ever time I read a new article, the story twists a bit. I've seen quotes from current and former team mates, black and white, all supporting him. Pouncey, Ricky Williams, and more saying they don't consider him racist and feel him dropping the N-word doesn't mean jack. One article said some of the black team mates considered him an "honorary black guy"(not sure what the actual quote was).
The latest from um-named sources: COACHES gave him the order for the proverbial "code red". They wanted Incognito to toughen him up and he was just following orders.
Basically, I'm seeing very few players who support Martin. Most of the outrage is from us outside the NFL locker rooms.
Is this the same NFL that seems to have wimped out when New Orleans had a hit list to specifically injure other players?

Is this the freedom all my friends on the right are so concerned we not lose and we are sending guys to Iraq and Afghaniston to fight for?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#93227 Nov 6, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Is this the same NFL that seems to have wimped out when New Orleans had a hit list to specifically injure other players?
Is this the freedom all my friends on the right are so concerned we not lose and we are sending guys to Iraq and Afghaniston to fight for?
I'm just recounting what I have read. And what I have read is players on the Dolphins saying he's getting unfairly portrayed and is a good guy, players on his and other teams who say use of the N-word is not indicative of him being a racist, players (specifically team mate Pouncey) saying Martin himself had on multiple occasions questioned whether or not he was cut out for the NFL. Understandably, we, who do not live in the world of big time football, see the initial facts released, and we make judgments based on how that would play out in the world we live in. But those guys don't live in the same world. You can't compare appropriate behavior in a regular office environment to appropriate behavior in their world. A fight breaks out among co-workers in your office, someone's likely getting fired. In football? You break up the fight, and continue with what you were doing. The rules are different. The culture is different.

I can't wait to see the next twist to the story, but hearing such a different perspective almost universally from the viewpoint of NFL players themselves is eye opening.

In a court of law, you are entitled to a jury of your peers. In this instance, I'm feeling like we really are not his peers. His peers are the other players, most of whom (so far) support him.
redheadwglasses

Saint Paul, MN

#93228 Nov 6, 2013
That's a fair assessment Tonka, and I can get behind that.

Busy day today. Out the door at 10 and headed to a friend's house in Mpls, spent the day with three women I've known for over 25 years. We played euchre, got thai food for take-out to appease R and T, who can't get Thai in their town in Iowa. It was wonderful.

I got home arond 4:45 and I'm freakin exhausted. Forced myself with caffeine to stay up this late so I can get back on a normal sleep schedule.

At first, I just slept when i was tired and kept weird hours, but that conflicted when I tried to make and keep plans with people who are on a normal work/sleep schedule.

I am almost done with season 2 of Breaking Bad (just started watching on Saturday) and I am loving it. Sometimes I have to leave the room and just listen b/c it's too creepy (like when they are shooting heroin, that creeps me out, which then was topped by Walt watching his partner's girlfriend choking to death in her sleep on her own vomit (heroin), and letting her die).

The show is worth the hype. The acting, directing, and writing are out of this world. The side characters are deep, both in their flaws and their humanity. Just when you think someone (like BIL) is a doosh, he does the stand-up thing like you'd expect from a good brother-in-law.

GOod stuff. exhaustd. Bed soon.

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Since: Jun 09

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#93229 Nov 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I'm just recounting what I have read. And what I have read is players on the Dolphins saying he's getting unfairly portrayed and is a good guy, players on his and other teams who say use of the N-word is not indicative of him being a racist, players (specifically team mate Pouncey) saying Martin himself had on multiple occasions questioned whether or not he was cut out for the NFL. Understandably, we, who do not live in the world of big time football, see the initial facts released, and we make judgments based on how that would play out in the world we live in. But those guys don't live in the same world. You can't compare appropriate behavior in a regular office environment to appropriate behavior in their world. A fight breaks out among co-workers in your office, someone's likely getting fired. In football? You break up the fight, and continue with what you were doing. The rules are different. The culture is different.
I can't wait to see the next twist to the story, but hearing such a different perspective almost universally from the viewpoint of NFL players themselves is eye opening.
In a court of law, you are entitled to a jury of your peers. In this instance, I'm feeling like we really are not his peers. His peers are the other players, most of whom (so far) support him.
I have a problem with that because of the deification of major league sports. I also have a problem with saying that a particular closed group of people can operate under different rules of conduct. We wind up with guys who don't know the boundaries or think the rules don't pertain to them like Michael Vick or the MLB/bike racing guys who thought they could getaway with performance enhancing drugs or the guys who get sexually aggressive because they think they are entitled. Or the New Orleans bounty situation which as I understand it was offered by t management but accepted and carried out by the players.

I disagree with a win at all costs mindset, or that a guy needs to be toughed up. The large amounts of money involved don't justify the actions--IMNSHO.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#93230 Nov 7, 2013

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