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PEllen wrote:
Why would he want to do that? What's the point?
What would he benefit?
What would the Democratic party benefit?
That's not a rhetorical question
Honest question and I'll give you an honest answer. It's called divide and conquer. Can't defeat them all, so split them up and defeat the smaller groups.

The benefit for both Obama and the democratic party is to gain and maintain power. Blame everything on the Republicans in the hopes the American people are stupid enough to believe it.

Re-winning the election empowered them. But losing the House dis-empowered them a little. Next step, blast the "Tea-baggers." As we see with some of the smaller-minded posters here, it's working. They have a year until the next elections and then time will tell. The smear campaign against Republicans is in full swing.

I still have faith in the American people and predict that more states will turn Red (Illinois included) and Republicans will retake the Senate and keep the House. And Dems will not sit in the White House again for at least 8 years, maybe more. But I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm not sure society and humanity is gonna last that long as it is.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
It's never ALL GOOD...But you will certainly find way more positive economic signs, than not...and you know that....why can't you just admit it?

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It's never ALL GOOD...But you will certainly find way more positive economic signs, than not...and you know that....why can't you just admit it?
Because I've seen over two hundred people lose their jobs. I know of several who haven't been able to find work in nearly a year. I nearly lost my job. I've dealt with rolling layoffs and loss of overtime and higher taxes and I am bringing home less now that just a few years ago. I have been unsuccessful in finding a new, better job.

I will not agree to your "positive economic signs." I'm glad you have a secure job unaffected by today's turmoils, but many others aren't so fortunate. When unemployment is down to one or two percent, then you can talk to me about "recovery." As it is, I will never get on board that 7.5% unemployment is in any way an "economic recovery." And remember, that's just the people filing unemployment claims, that does not take into effect those whose claims has run out or those who gave up or those forced into early retirement. The TRUE unemployment numbers are hovering around 20 to 30%, maybe higher. And if you factor in the UNDERemployed, it's at 50 or 60%.
Recovery?

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Honest question and I'll give you an honest answer. It's called divide and conquer. Can't defeat them all, so split them up and defeat the smaller groups.
The benefit for both Obama and the democratic party is to gain and maintain power. Blame everything on the Republicans in the hopes the American people are stupid enough to believe it.
Re-winning the election empowered them. But losing the House dis-empowered them a little. Next step, blast the "Tea-baggers." As we see with some of the smaller-minded posters here, it's working. They have a year until the next elections and then time will tell. The smear campaign against Republicans is in full swing.
I still have faith in the American people and predict that more states will turn Red (Illinois included) and Republicans will retake the Senate and keep the House. And Dems will not sit in the White House again for at least 8 years, maybe more. But I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm not sure society and humanity is gonna last that long as it is.
What you are describing is the check and balance system in action. It's not pretty but it wasn't expected to be.

I didn't major in American history,but using Illinois as a microcosm ( which i am not sure in valid, but it is the best I have) just because one party controls both houses of the legislature and thee executive branch does not ensure that anything gets accomplished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_...

As I read the charts, one party controlled both the Executive and Legislative branches under Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and George W. Of that group only Johnson was notable for pushing sweeping legislative changes which admittedly were strong social legislation. Still, I don't think many people are seriously debating that the Voting Rights Act or Medicare(the medical care program for people over 65) have caused negative disruption in the long term.

I disagree with your assertions, but even if your predictions about election came true, I don't see the catastrophic downside.

It is important to factor in the very different communications that we have now than we did even in 2001 when Bush took office. The immediacy of emails to your congressmen, twitter, Anonymous have a real impact. Even if the Republicans were swept out next year their positions are not negated.

I don't see the apocalyptic end you are suggesting
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What you are describing is the check and balance system in action. It's not pretty but it wasn't expected to be.
I didn't major in American history,but using Illinois as a microcosm ( which i am not sure in valid, but it is the best I have) just because one party controls both houses of the legislature and thee executive branch does not ensure that anything gets accomplished.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_...
As I read the charts, one party controlled both the Executive and Legislative branches under Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and George W. Of that group only Johnson was notable for pushing sweeping legislative changes which admittedly were strong social legislation. Still, I don't think many people are seriously debating that the Voting Rights Act or Medicare(the medical care program for people over 65) have caused negative disruption in the long term.
I disagree with your assertions, but even if your predictions about election came true, I don't see the catastrophic downside.
It is important to factor in the very different communications that we have now than we did even in 2001 when Bush took office. The immediacy of emails to your congressmen, twitter, Anonymous have a real impact. Even if the Republicans were swept out next year their positions are not negated.
I don't see the apocalyptic end you are suggesting
Maybe they're asking for Affirmative Action for minority parties?

Republicans hate social change. They always have. Women voting, blacks having civil rights and voting, social security, medicaid/medicare, etc. all have been purported to be the end of the world by the republicans. We're a wealthy country. We CAN- and should- take care of our own. Republicans look at that spending and think of how it *could* pay off big at Wall Street casinos.

They'll get used to this or learn to accept it as the money-maker that abortion is for the party. Roe v. Wade is the law of the land but there is BIG BUCKS in telling folks that- with their dollars- you can defeat it....

That's probably what they are already doing with ACA.

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Oct 1, 2013
 
The controversial U.S. dating site that lets you PAY to filter out fat and ugly people

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Who finds this controversial? I've never used a dating site, but it seems pretty logical to me. When you meet people without the aid of a dating site, their physical appearance generally plays a large role in whether or not you want to ask them out. Whether you prefer the athletic build or have a thing for BBW's, you generally won't ask someone out if they don't pass muster on your visual filter.

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A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe they're asking for Affirmative Action for minority parties?
Republicans hate social change. They always have. Women voting, blacks having civil rights and voting, social security, medicaid/medicare, etc. all have been purported to be the end of the world by the republicans. We're a wealthy country. We CAN- and should- take care of our own. Republicans look at that spending and think of how it *could* pay off big at Wall Street casinos.
They'll get used to this or learn to accept it as the money-maker that abortion is for the party. Roe v. Wade is the law of the land but there is BIG BUCKS in telling folks that- with their dollars- you can defeat it....
That's probably what they are already doing with ACA.
Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
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Below is a link with actual Department of Labor data for you. So a steadily decreasing trend from 9% to 7.3% is not a recovery? Note the average unemployment rate since the late 40's is 5.8% and the US had never had a rate below 2% except for a brief period during WW II.

How about you stop pulling numbers out of your azz.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states...
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Because I've seen over two hundred people lose their jobs. I know of several who haven't been able to find work in nearly a year. I nearly lost my job. I've dealt with rolling layoffs and loss of overtime and higher taxes and I am bringing home less now that just a few years ago. I have been unsuccessful in finding a new, better job.
I will not agree to your "positive economic signs." I'm glad you have a secure job unaffected by today's turmoils, but many others aren't so fortunate. When unemployment is down to one or two percent, then you can talk to me about "recovery." As it is, I will never get on board that 7.5% unemployment is in any way an "economic recovery." And remember, that's just the people filing unemployment claims, that does not take into effect those whose claims has run out or those who gave up or those forced into early retirement. The TRUE unemployment numbers are hovering around 20 to 30%, maybe higher. And if you factor in the UNDERemployed, it's at 50 or 60%.
Recovery?

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edogxxx wrote:
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Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
he Republican party which passed the 13th amendment i very different from the one today.
I am less certain abut the difference in the party when women's suffrage was decided and today.
Regardless, it does not advance the discussion to say All Republican or All Democrats or all conservatives or all liberals. There is a vastly nuanced spectrum

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#92090
Oct 1, 2013
 
Yeah. LOL.
They're going after the little guy again.
The poor schmuck who's trying to visit Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon with the family.
You get those jets out of the sky and we will start seeing a real government shutdown.
Until then, hasta la vista.
LOL. Your government has lied to you. Spies on you. Rips you off. And now, to add insult to injury, has flipped you the bird.

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edogxxx wrote:
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Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
I'm sure all of us can agree, when we consider women's and minority's rights, the first thing that comes to mind is Republicans....same thing with GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS.....

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edogxxx wrote:
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Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
You have alotta guts...You tell me our economy is not really recovering, then say bullsh*t like,....don't let facts get in the way of your arguement??? That is incredibly partisan dumb.....

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<quoted text>You have alotta guts...You tell me our economy is not really recovering, then say bullsh*t like,....don't let facts get in the way of your arguement??? That is incredibly partisan dumb.....
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something about not having a battle of wits with an unarmed person?

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Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something about not having a battle of wits with an unarmed person?
Not bad for 5:30 in the morning.
Not bad at any time.

Rather undermines Topix , though.

What are you doing up so early?

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I will get the columns

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Oct 2, 2013
 
Got them just now. But I'm leaving for NM today so it's up to you and dog for a week.

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Oct 2, 2013
 
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Got them just now. But I'm leaving for NM today so it's up to you and dog for a week.
Amy
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure all of us can agree, when we consider women's and minority's rights, the first thing that comes to mind is Republicans....same thing with GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS.....
That just shows your ignorance. You think republicans don't stand for women and minorities yet can't provide one iota of evidence. You think that way because your leaders told you so. Again, must be liberating to not be able to think for yourself.

Oh, front page of the trib this morning: House Democrats refuse to reach a compromise to end shutdown. I'll bet you still think republicans are to blame

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Toj wrote:
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SUBLIME -- The above is from YOUR article that YOU posted.
So is this:

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A few of the economists predicted the legislation would cost the economy around 10,000 jobs per month.

Other economists said businesses are bound to hire less because the cost of each employee will likely go up.

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"Any time you attach an extra cost to labor you will cause it to be less fully utilized," said Robert Brusca, chief economist at Fact and Opinion Economics, a Manhattan consultancy.

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Economists saying Obamacare is not having a meaningful impact on jobs tend to argue that hiring is not driven by labor costs, but rather demand for goods.

"Work still needs to be done," said David Wyss, a fellow at Brown University. "But it may be biasing toward more part-timers."

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<quoted text>he Republican party which passed the 13th amendment i very different from the one today.
That is complete b.s., just because they haven't gone overboard and whack job liberal on the issue, doesn't mean they aren't the same.

That some folks have gone overboard is actually a reflection of the mainstream fanaticism of the democrat party ... it's perfectly reflected by Ferrerman ... according to him, unless you agree that black folks should be an elevated class, treated above and beyond white folks, when it comes to a range of situations, and want them to have special rules and privileges that apply ONLY to them, you are are a racist and want the return of slavery.

It's not enough if you say discrimination is wrong, segregation is wrong, slavery is wrong, racial profiling is wrong, and all of these things should not be allowed ... nope you have to go full bore whack job liberal on the subject and take it to the extreme to make some folks happy. Hogwash.

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