Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

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#92074 Oct 1, 2013
Here's something really shocking! Reading the "news" it said that Kate Middleton actually put her hair in a ponytail for a shopping trip.

For some reason this is all very shocking.

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Since: Aug 08

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#92075 Oct 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
It’s true nonpartisan economic analyses have estimated a “small” loss of mainly low-wage jobs because of the law. But as one expert told us, there hasn’t been much analysis of this impact of the law because, he believes, economists think the impact will be minimal. Still, Republicans have continued to push the idea that the law will have a significant effect on jobs.
I find it hilarious that fact check references non-partisan economic analyses, but rather than expand upon these analyses and let them act as the best indicator of what the facts are and speak for themselves, they instead immediately turn to the opinion of ONE PERSON who says “he believes, economists think the impact will be minimal.” Why don't you just ask the economist or look at the studies? This is supposed to be "fact check", not "what one guy who believes check"? WTF was that?

I just pointed you to a 4 day old article from cnn that says 9 out of 14 expect job losses. You can use the opinion of one guy from fact check or you can look at the article I posted from CNN, which out of all the major American news networks is probably the most impartial and probably has the most integrity.

And if it doesn’t kill jobs, good for it, but I have plenty of other reasons why I don’t like it, including the fact that my company dropped BC/BS and went with some insurance company I've never heard of, my premium went up by about 15%, my copays are way higher (almost double for prescriptions), and I have worse overall coverage … all this just happens to coincide with the roll out of Obamacare. I know it's a coincidence or wait, wait, now is when you are supposed to feed me the line that but for Obamcare my premiums would have gone up even more, like 3000%

To top it all off, the jack a$s democrats and Obama limited my flex spending contributions to 2.5k. So not only did my costs go up, but my taxes went up too.

My buddy just posed on facebook the other day that insurance for he and his daughter through BC/BS is going up by over 30%.

It would be one thing if the law actually made health care more affordable, but it doesn’t. It has folks like me, pay a lot more for healthcare so freeloaders can have theirs or pay a lot less. It’s simply a mechanism for transferring costs for others onto others.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#92077 Oct 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it hilarious that fact check references non-partisan economic analyses, but rather than expand upon these analyses and let them act as the best indicator of what the facts are and speak for themselves, they instead immediately turn to the opinion of ONE PERSON who says “he believes, economists think the impact will be minimal.” Why don't you just ask the economist or look at the studies? This is supposed to be "fact check", not "what one guy who believes check"? WTF was that?
I just pointed you to a 4 day old article from cnn that says 9 out of 14 expect job losses. You can use the opinion of one guy from fact check or you can look at the article I posted from CNN, which out of all the major American news networks is probably the most impartial and probably has the most integrity...
So now I finally know what your problem is in connection with discussing things -- you don't read thoroughly!

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#92078 Oct 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
You should read the whole article. Down further that very same article says:
"But there is also reason to believe the job killing criticism could be overblown.
As of 2010, 97% of small businesses had fewer than 50 employees, according to the U.S. Census. That means Obamacare's employer mandate applies only to 3% of America's small businesses. Of companies with more than 50 workers, 96% already offer health plans, government data shows.
The ADP jobs report -- one of the largest reports on private employers -- shows that small businesses are still hiring strong. "
SUBLIME -- The above is from YOUR article that YOU posted.
A noted observer

Palatine, IL

#92079 Oct 1, 2013

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#92080 Oct 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
FAILED PRESIDENCY? WTF?...Home and Auto sales way up...
Way up from what? The great recession of '08, 09?
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Recovered Economy..
So the unemployment rate fell from 9.5 to 7.5. I GUESS that's an improvement, but is 7.5% unemployment the new norm? Should we be HAPPY with 7.5% unemployment?
Go Blue Forever wrote:
No New Ground Wars...
Not yet. Maybe Syria. And the old ground wars haven't really ended ether.
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Bin Laden Dead..
That I'll give ya. But what about the dead in Benghazi? Or are we supposed to forget about them?
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Manufacturing Up....
Excuse me, but I work in manufacturing, and I can tell you it is most definitely DOWN!
Go Blue Forever wrote:
It's alllll gooood.....That's whats killing you!....
It's alllll NOT gooood! Admitting that is a fact that is killing YOU!.... Keep drinking the cool-aid! "All is good! Nothing to see here, folks! Move along, please!" You're making your liberal leaders proud. I'll bet it's good not to think for yourself! I'll never care to know, though.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#92081 Oct 1, 2013
PEllen wrote:
Why would he want to do that? What's the point?
What would he benefit?
What would the Democratic party benefit?
That's not a rhetorical question
Honest question and I'll give you an honest answer. It's called divide and conquer. Can't defeat them all, so split them up and defeat the smaller groups.

The benefit for both Obama and the democratic party is to gain and maintain power. Blame everything on the Republicans in the hopes the American people are stupid enough to believe it.

Re-winning the election empowered them. But losing the House dis-empowered them a little. Next step, blast the "Tea-baggers." As we see with some of the smaller-minded posters here, it's working. They have a year until the next elections and then time will tell. The smear campaign against Republicans is in full swing.

I still have faith in the American people and predict that more states will turn Red (Illinois included) and Republicans will retake the Senate and keep the House. And Dems will not sit in the White House again for at least 8 years, maybe more. But I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm not sure society and humanity is gonna last that long as it is.

Since: Oct 12

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#92082 Oct 1, 2013
It's never ALL GOOD...But you will certainly find way more positive economic signs, than not...and you know that....why can't you just admit it?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#92083 Oct 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
It's never ALL GOOD...But you will certainly find way more positive economic signs, than not...and you know that....why can't you just admit it?
Because I've seen over two hundred people lose their jobs. I know of several who haven't been able to find work in nearly a year. I nearly lost my job. I've dealt with rolling layoffs and loss of overtime and higher taxes and I am bringing home less now that just a few years ago. I have been unsuccessful in finding a new, better job.

I will not agree to your "positive economic signs." I'm glad you have a secure job unaffected by today's turmoils, but many others aren't so fortunate. When unemployment is down to one or two percent, then you can talk to me about "recovery." As it is, I will never get on board that 7.5% unemployment is in any way an "economic recovery." And remember, that's just the people filing unemployment claims, that does not take into effect those whose claims has run out or those who gave up or those forced into early retirement. The TRUE unemployment numbers are hovering around 20 to 30%, maybe higher. And if you factor in the UNDERemployed, it's at 50 or 60%.
Recovery?

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#92084 Oct 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Honest question and I'll give you an honest answer. It's called divide and conquer. Can't defeat them all, so split them up and defeat the smaller groups.
The benefit for both Obama and the democratic party is to gain and maintain power. Blame everything on the Republicans in the hopes the American people are stupid enough to believe it.
Re-winning the election empowered them. But losing the House dis-empowered them a little. Next step, blast the "Tea-baggers." As we see with some of the smaller-minded posters here, it's working. They have a year until the next elections and then time will tell. The smear campaign against Republicans is in full swing.
I still have faith in the American people and predict that more states will turn Red (Illinois included) and Republicans will retake the Senate and keep the House. And Dems will not sit in the White House again for at least 8 years, maybe more. But I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm not sure society and humanity is gonna last that long as it is.
What you are describing is the check and balance system in action. It's not pretty but it wasn't expected to be.

I didn't major in American history,but using Illinois as a microcosm ( which i am not sure in valid, but it is the best I have) just because one party controls both houses of the legislature and thee executive branch does not ensure that anything gets accomplished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_...

As I read the charts, one party controlled both the Executive and Legislative branches under Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and George W. Of that group only Johnson was notable for pushing sweeping legislative changes which admittedly were strong social legislation. Still, I don't think many people are seriously debating that the Voting Rights Act or Medicare(the medical care program for people over 65) have caused negative disruption in the long term.

I disagree with your assertions, but even if your predictions about election came true, I don't see the catastrophic downside.

It is important to factor in the very different communications that we have now than we did even in 2001 when Bush took office. The immediacy of emails to your congressmen, twitter, Anonymous have a real impact. Even if the Republicans were swept out next year their positions are not negated.

I don't see the apocalyptic end you are suggesting
A noted observer

Palatine, IL

#92085 Oct 1, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are describing is the check and balance system in action. It's not pretty but it wasn't expected to be.
I didn't major in American history,but using Illinois as a microcosm ( which i am not sure in valid, but it is the best I have) just because one party controls both houses of the legislature and thee executive branch does not ensure that anything gets accomplished.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_...
As I read the charts, one party controlled both the Executive and Legislative branches under Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and George W. Of that group only Johnson was notable for pushing sweeping legislative changes which admittedly were strong social legislation. Still, I don't think many people are seriously debating that the Voting Rights Act or Medicare(the medical care program for people over 65) have caused negative disruption in the long term.
I disagree with your assertions, but even if your predictions about election came true, I don't see the catastrophic downside.
It is important to factor in the very different communications that we have now than we did even in 2001 when Bush took office. The immediacy of emails to your congressmen, twitter, Anonymous have a real impact. Even if the Republicans were swept out next year their positions are not negated.
I don't see the apocalyptic end you are suggesting
Maybe they're asking for Affirmative Action for minority parties?

Republicans hate social change. They always have. Women voting, blacks having civil rights and voting, social security, medicaid/medicare, etc. all have been purported to be the end of the world by the republicans. We're a wealthy country. We CAN- and should- take care of our own. Republicans look at that spending and think of how it *could* pay off big at Wall Street casinos.

They'll get used to this or learn to accept it as the money-maker that abortion is for the party. Roe v. Wade is the law of the land but there is BIG BUCKS in telling folks that- with their dollars- you can defeat it....

That's probably what they are already doing with ACA.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#92086 Oct 1, 2013
The controversial U.S. dating site that lets you PAY to filter out fat and ugly people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-243...
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Who finds this controversial? I've never used a dating site, but it seems pretty logical to me. When you meet people without the aid of a dating site, their physical appearance generally plays a large role in whether or not you want to ask them out. Whether you prefer the athletic build or have a thing for BBW's, you generally won't ask someone out if they don't pass muster on your visual filter.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#92087 Oct 1, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe they're asking for Affirmative Action for minority parties?
Republicans hate social change. They always have. Women voting, blacks having civil rights and voting, social security, medicaid/medicare, etc. all have been purported to be the end of the world by the republicans. We're a wealthy country. We CAN- and should- take care of our own. Republicans look at that spending and think of how it *could* pay off big at Wall Street casinos.
They'll get used to this or learn to accept it as the money-maker that abortion is for the party. Roe v. Wade is the law of the land but there is BIG BUCKS in telling folks that- with their dollars- you can defeat it....
That's probably what they are already doing with ACA.
Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
Timmy

United States

#92088 Oct 1, 2013
Below is a link with actual Department of Labor data for you. So a steadily decreasing trend from 9% to 7.3% is not a recovery? Note the average unemployment rate since the late 40's is 5.8% and the US had never had a rate below 2% except for a brief period during WW II.

How about you stop pulling numbers out of your azz.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states...
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Because I've seen over two hundred people lose their jobs. I know of several who haven't been able to find work in nearly a year. I nearly lost my job. I've dealt with rolling layoffs and loss of overtime and higher taxes and I am bringing home less now that just a few years ago. I have been unsuccessful in finding a new, better job.
I will not agree to your "positive economic signs." I'm glad you have a secure job unaffected by today's turmoils, but many others aren't so fortunate. When unemployment is down to one or two percent, then you can talk to me about "recovery." As it is, I will never get on board that 7.5% unemployment is in any way an "economic recovery." And remember, that's just the people filing unemployment claims, that does not take into effect those whose claims has run out or those who gave up or those forced into early retirement. The TRUE unemployment numbers are hovering around 20 to 30%, maybe higher. And if you factor in the UNDERemployed, it's at 50 or 60%.
Recovery?

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#92089 Oct 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
he Republican party which passed the 13th amendment i very different from the one today.
I am less certain abut the difference in the party when women's suffrage was decided and today.
Regardless, it does not advance the discussion to say All Republican or All Democrats or all conservatives or all liberals. There is a vastly nuanced spectrum

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#92090 Oct 1, 2013
Yeah. LOL.
They're going after the little guy again.
The poor schmuck who's trying to visit Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon with the family.
You get those jets out of the sky and we will start seeing a real government shutdown.
Until then, hasta la vista.
LOL. Your government has lied to you. Spies on you. Rips you off. And now, to add insult to injury, has flipped you the bird.

Since: Oct 12

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#92091 Oct 2, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
I'm sure all of us can agree, when we consider women's and minority's rights, the first thing that comes to mind is Republicans....same thing with GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS.....

Since: Oct 12

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#92092 Oct 2, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans are the ones who gave women and blacks the right to vote. But hey, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your argument!
You have alotta guts...You tell me our economy is not really recovering, then say bullsh*t like,....don't let facts get in the way of your arguement??? That is incredibly partisan dumb.....

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#92093 Oct 2, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>You have alotta guts...You tell me our economy is not really recovering, then say bullsh*t like,....don't let facts get in the way of your arguement??? That is incredibly partisan dumb.....
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something about not having a battle of wits with an unarmed person?

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#92094 Oct 2, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something about not having a battle of wits with an unarmed person?
Not bad for 5:30 in the morning.
Not bad at any time.

Rather undermines Topix , though.

What are you doing up so early?

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