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Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#92047 Oct 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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It's hard to tell the difference.:p
I find that people with closed minds generally have a difficult time seeing anything but their point of view. Given that, I can understand it would be difficult for you.
A noted observer

Hoffman Estates, IL

#92048 Oct 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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In fact instead of voting to repeal it 40 + times, for years, this is what they should have been telling everyone they would do if given control of the house ... for easier to kill it by just not funding it and that way no one would have been surprised. They would have had even more seats in the house had they done so. Obamacare is not popular.
You answered "Sublime1" above. Who do you think he is?

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92049 Oct 1, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Evidently you can't distinguish too many posters from others in your head!
^^^ dumb.

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92050 Oct 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
I find that people with closed minds generally have a difficult time seeing anything but their point of view. Given that, I can understand it would be difficult for you.
Of course ... I MUST have a closed mind because I disagree with you.

Let me guess, edog also has a closed mind, because he too disagrees with you.

Let me also guess, Squishy doesn't have a closed mind, because she agrees with you.

I'm sensing a pattern...

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92051 Oct 1, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>You answered "Sublime1" above. Who do you think he is?
Didn't answer ... I wanted to expand on that point I made in my earlier post.

Sorry to confuse you ... it's apparently quite easy to do.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#92052 Oct 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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To Ferrerman, I said:
"Republicans are simply asking for the same delay for individuals, moron."
In response you said:
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The 40 something house votes have nothing to do with why the government is being shut down.
Furthermore, they don't have to fund anything they don't want to. We don't live in a dictatorship. There is nothing unfair with them not agreeing to vote to fund some liberal program that not one of them voted for in the first place. Voting to fund it is for all practical purposes voting for it.
At the very least it's no more unfair than it was for Obama to decide not to enforce our immigration laws, because he couldn't get his way and the dream act passed. Why aren't you upset about that? Oh, I know, cause you think we should cater to illegals. Once again, if it's a law you like, it's not okay to do end around, but if it's a law you like, it's okay to do end arounds, especially if it is Obama doing so!
The republicans should tell him to go f' him self and tell him he'll get his Obamacare funded when he controls both the house and the senate. Let the people decide how bad they want it, next election. He still won't get control of the house.
This shut-down plan is just their Plan B because they couldn't repeal the law in over 40 votes. And these congressmen didn't vote for the repeal of slavery either, so let's reinstitute it until they get the opportunity to do that. If that's the way you want government to be run, well then this country would really be f*cked.

Oh and the people have already decided in an election how bad they really wanted the ACA. But since you believe that we are just too stupid to know what we really want or need, you're gonna fix it for us.

And please please please stop telling me what I believe. I have never stated an opinion on here (that I remember) about the dream act or immigration, so you have no idea what I think about this. And since that is not our current problem, it doesn't matter what I think about it.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#92053 Oct 1, 2013
I thought this was interesting:

"And not all of the alleged dangers to businesses hold up to scrutiny. Is Obamacare a “job killer,” as many Republicans charge? Economists say it’s just not showing that kind of impact — at least so far. And is it going to cause employers everywhere to slash their workers’ benefits? Even UPS, which got national attention for cutting its health coverage for spouses who can get their coverage elsewhere, now says it can’t really blame Obamacare for that one.

“I wouldn’t characterize it as,‘We did this because of Obamacare,’” UPS spokeswoman Kara Ross told POLITICO — even though its memo to employees was full of references to the law."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/how-oba...

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92054 Oct 1, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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This shut-down plan is just their Plan B because they couldn't repeal the law in over 40 votes. And these congressmen didn't vote for the repeal of slavery either, so let's reinstitute it until they get the opportunity to do that. If that's the way you want government to be run, well then this country would really be f*cked.
Oh, ah, yes, lets turn to slavery. The republican party was actually the party that fought against slavery. That's kind of a key distinction. Why would they want to reinstitute something they were against?
squishymama wrote:
<quoted text>Oh and the people have already decided in an election how bad they really wanted the ACA. But since you believe that we are just too stupid to know what we really want or need, you're gonna fix it for us.
Wrong. The democrats won the Presidency, despite Obamcare. Republicans ALSO won the house. Just because there is a democrat President doesn't mean the house republicans have to do whatever he wants. That's not the way our government works. We aren't a dictatorship. And even if a past Congress voted in favor of a law a subsequent Congress doesn't have to support it or fund it if they don't want to.
squishymama wrote:
<quoted text>And please please please stop telling me what I believe. I have never stated an opinion on here (that I remember) about the dream act or immigration, so you have no idea what I think about this. And since that is not our current problem, it doesn't matter what I think about it.
Point of the dream act is Obama did an end around to get his way. If he can do an end around to get his way, so can the house republicans. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92055 Oct 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
I thought this was interesting:
"And not all of the alleged dangers to businesses hold up to scrutiny. Is Obamacare a “job killer,” as many Republicans charge? Economists say it’s just not showing that kind of impact — at least so far. And is it going to cause employers everywhere to slash their workers’ benefits? Even UPS, which got national attention for cutting its health coverage for spouses who can get their coverage elsewhere, now says it can’t really blame Obamacare for that one.
“I wouldn’t characterize it as,‘We did this because of Obamacare,’” UPS spokeswoman Kara Ross told POLITICO — even though its memo to employees was full of references to the law."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/how-oba...
Yes, I'm sure that's some real impartial journalism from Politico.com . That's the same website that hired some guy to be their washing bureau chief, despite him being fired by yahoo news who was fired for saying the GOP was "happy to have a party with black people drowning" during the 2012 RNC convention in Tampa, Florida.

Here's something more impartial from CNN that says 9 out of 14 economists disagree with the premise of your article.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/30/news/economy/...

In the future, please try not to be so "open minded" that you get your news from places that have about as much journalistic integrity of the onion...

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#92056 Oct 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Oh, ah, yes, lets turn to slavery. The republican party was actually the party that fought against slavery. That's kind of a key distinction. Why would they want to reinstitute something they were against?
Because the current congress didn't vote on it, of course.
Sublime1 wrote:
Wrong. The democrats won the Presidency, despite Obamcare. Republicans ALSO won the house. Just because there is a democrat President doesn't mean the house republicans have to do whatever he wants. That's not the way our government works. We aren't a dictatorship. And even if a past Congress voted in favor of a law a subsequent Congress doesn't have to support it or fund it if they don't want to.

So if I'm wrong, then why isn't there a republican in the white house?

[QUOTE who="Sublime1"]Point of the dream act is Obama did an end around to get his way. If he can do an end around to get his way, so can the house republicans. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Oh, I'm sorry. In my house, we say "two wrongs don't make a right."
A noted observer

Hoffman Estates, IL

#92057 Oct 1, 2013
Why shouldn't slavery be on the table again? Both houses voted to end it and the president signed it. I think the USSC signed off on it too. In a Constitutional republic why should that mean anything? The second place finishers of that era were pretty upset about the slavery issue. In a republic or a democracy, should the wishes of the 2nd place finishers take precedent over the majority? Doesn't that make sense?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#92058 Oct 1, 2013
Couldn't post from my phone today. Could read the comments, but the post your own comment section wouldn't come up. Must be the shutdown...

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#92059 Oct 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> This game they play, by blaming everyone else, especially President Obama....while tea party House republicans have worked againest the good of the country consistantly, since, January 2009.....
Remind you of anyone? Obama spent the first four years of his failed presidency blaming Bush. He's spent his fifth year blaming House Republicans. Amazing how Democrats hold the White House and the Senate, yet aren't responsible for anything.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#92060 Oct 1, 2013
squishymama wrote:
I will never agree that this shutdown is the democrats' fault. It didn't turn out that way the last time and it won't turn out that way this time either. And it has nothing to do with what I believe; it has everything to do with how they behave.
Democrats are the ones refusing to compromise. Obama stated "I will not compromise." The Democrats refuse to negotiate. How is that the Republicans' fault? Please explain.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#92061 Oct 1, 2013
Obama is intent on dividing this country. First, he tried to start a class war. Remember the 99%ers? He failed.

Then he tried to start a race war. He went on national TV and admitted he hates white people. He failed.

Now he's trying to use partisan. "It's them against us" is his mantra.

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92062 Oct 1, 2013
squishymama wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I'm sorry. In my house, we say "two wrongs don't make a right."
That kind of thinking will get you run over in politics. It's how the game is played.

“I looked, and behold,”

Since: Aug 08

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#92063 Oct 1, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
Why shouldn't slavery be on the table again? Both houses voted to end it and the president signed it. I think the USSC signed off on it too. In a Constitutional republic why should that mean anything? The second place finishers of that era were pretty upset about the slavery issue. In a republic or a democracy, should the wishes of the 2nd place finishers take precedent over the majority? Doesn't that make sense?
Nobody wants the return of slavery. That's why it isn't on the table.

In contrast, the republicans never liked, wanted, or voted for Obamacare. That's why they don't want to fund it.

You are making an apples to oranges comparison.

Since: Oct 12

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#92064 Oct 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Remind you of anyone? Obama spent the first four years of his failed presidency blaming Bush. He's spent his fifth year blaming House Republicans. Amazing how Democrats hold the White House and the Senate, yet aren't responsible for anything.
FAILED PRESIDENCY? WTF?...Home and Auto sales way up...Recovered Economy...No New Ground Wars...Bin Laden Dead...Unemployment down....Retail Sales Up...Consumer Confidence Up...Affordable Care Act approved and on course....Manufacturing Up....It's alllll gooood.....That's whats killing you!....

Since: Oct 12

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#92065 Oct 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Obama is intent on dividing this country. First, he tried to start a class war. Remember the 99%ers? He failed.
Then he tried to start a race war. He went on national TV and admitted he hates white people. He failed.
Now he's trying to use partisan. "It's them against us" is his mantra.
Sorry Sir....I had no idea, you were far gone....that explain's alot....

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#92066 Oct 1, 2013
I said it was interesting, Sub. I didn't say it was right or wrong. Interesting. But, b/c you seem to care where it came from, I went on factcheck.org .

I thought this was interesting:
From Politico: "And not all of the alleged dangers to businesses hold up to scrutiny. Is Obamacare a “job killer,” as many Republicans charge? Economists say it’s just not showing that kind of impact — at least so far. And is it going to cause employers everywhere to slash their workers’ benefits? Even UPS, which got national attention for cutting its health coverage for spouses who can get their coverage elsewhere, now says it can’t really blame Obamacare for that one.
“I wouldn’t characterize it as,‘We did this because of Obamacare,’” UPS spokeswoman Kara Ross told POLITICO — even though its memo to employees was full of references to the law."

From Factcheck: Claim: The law is a job-killer.

FactCheck.org says: Overblown.
It’s true nonpartisan economic analyses have estimated a “small” loss of mainly low-wage jobs because of the law. But as one expert told us, there hasn’t been much analysis of this impact of the law because, he believes, economists think the impact will be minimal. Still, Republicans have continued to push the idea that the law will have a significant effect on jobs.

This claim made our “Whoppers of 2011” list, and it has continued to be pushed in various forms — with the latest being the claims about part-time work. Mainly, the “job-killer” claims severely distort a 2010 nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office report that said the law would have a “small” impact on jobs. And that’s mainly from workers choosing to work less. For instance, some might work fewer hours if they receive subsidies to help them buy insurance, or those close to retirement may retire early, with some reassurance that they can buy insurance on their own.

I find this interesting b/c I keep hearing how it is going to impact jobs in a serious, negative way yet that isn't what really is expected.

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