“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#91777 Sep 20, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>First, it is gonna be easy to identify, what teens were there, by all the photos....next, the Judge assigns equal portions of the damage to each's parents....Once the parent's realize the amount of financial outlay.....I'm guessing within hours, the lead detective will have an almost flawless version of events......believe me, it will work....
Sorry. I don't believe you. I think its wishful thinking. 300 kids? Many/most drunk. Many with good reason to lie. You're dreaming

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#91778 Sep 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
They were all trespassing and by that, they are all guilty, whether they peed on the carpet or not, so their parents should be held financially responsible for their kids. Their kids broke the law and property was destroyed.
ENd of story.
<quoted text>
Good luck with that. You're telling me your kid goes to a party for 30 minutes, sees people graffittiing the walls and decides to split, you'd feel she should be financially responsible for the damages cause she was there?
I call bullshit.

Additionally, have you never been to a party where you had no idea who's house it was? I'm not saying you invaded some stranger's house like in the story. I'm talking about word getting around thst there was a party and you showed up without even knowing what kid lived there? I know that occured more than once when I was in hs. Is that tresspassing? Cause it would be pretty easy and likely for many of the kids in this story to not have even known it was an unoccupied house. Just a place where 'someone' was having a party.

“Call me Walter”

Since: Nov 10

Dyersburg, TN

#91779 Sep 20, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>That was in New Zealand. I don't think they nor Australia were as affected by the recession as we were. Evidently they don't willingly submit to the whims of the uber-wealthy like America does. They don't let crazy people have guns and fast food workers making a living wage works for them! So, why not plumb a buddies house with beer, mate?
Nobody yanked your chain spiderboi. Oh yes, I gifured you would come back when you thought I wasn't looking.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91780 Sep 20, 2013
20,000 / 300 =$67 a kid. I would make my kid pay that, just so she could learn to use her head next time.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Good luck with that. You're telling me your kid goes to a party for 30 minutes, sees people graffittiing the walls and decides to split, you'd feel she should be financially responsible for the damages cause she was there?
I call bullshit.
Additionally, have you never been to a party where you had no idea who's house it was? I'm not saying you invaded some stranger's house like in the story. I'm talking about word getting around thst there was a party and you showed up without even knowing what kid lived there? I know that occured more than once when I was in hs. Is that tresspassing? Cause it would be pretty easy and likely for many of the kids in this story to not have even known it was an unoccupied house. Just a place where 'someone' was having a party.

“Call me Walter”

Since: Nov 10

Dyersburg, TN

#91781 Sep 20, 2013
*figured

Not sure what the hell happened there

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#91782 Sep 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Good luck with that. You're telling me your kid goes to a party for 30 minutes, sees people graffittiing the walls and decides to split, you'd feel she should be financially responsible for the damages cause she was there?
I call bullshit.
Additionally, have you never been to a party where you had no idea who's house it was? I'm not saying you invaded some stranger's house like in the story. I'm talking about word getting around thst there was a party and you showed up without even knowing what kid lived there? I know that occured more than once when I was in hs. Is that tresspassing? Cause it would be pretty easy and likely for many of the kids in this story to not have even known it was an unoccupied house. Just a place where 'someone' was having a party.
If you're invited, it's not tresspassing. If you have an "open house", it isn't tresspassing.

I agree with you.

The people who own the house can get financial payback in a civil suit much easier. The bar for proving guilt is lower.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#91783 Sep 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
20,000 / 300 =$67 a kid. I would make my kid pay that, just so she could learn to use her head next time.
<quoted text>
20k is the preliminary #. I read they estimate it might be as much as $250k
A noted observer

Roselle, IL

#91784 Sep 20, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody yanked your chain spiderboi. Oh yes, I gifured you would come back when you thought I wasn't looking.
You gifured wrong.

Typical.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91785 Sep 20, 2013
Round it up to 300K, a grand for each punk. I do not excuse my daughters stupidity, it would be a painful lesson, but a good one.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>20k is the preliminary #. I read they estimate it might be as much as $250k

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#91786 Sep 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
Round it up to 300K, a grand for each punk. I do not excuse my daughters stupidity, it would be a painful lesson, but a good one.
<quoted text>
i disagree that simply attending is enough to hold you liable for the damage.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91787 Sep 20, 2013
I can agree that for the kids that showed up, saw what was happening and then split, it would be unfair, but to hang out and see the place being trashed, and staying...I have far less sympathy. Kinda like going to a dog fight, but excusing yourself because your only a spectator.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>i disagree that simply attending is enough to hold you liable for the damage.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91788 Sep 20, 2013
Better than your buddies putting beer in your faucet...http://www.nydailynew s.com/news/national/texas-man- beer-gut-turns-food-alcohol-du e-rare-auto-brewery-syndrome-a rticle-1.1462216

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91789 Sep 20, 2013
Screw them, make them all pay.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ex...
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>i disagree that simply attending is enough to hold you liable for the damage.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#91790 Sep 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
I can agree that for the kids that showed up, saw what was happening and then split, it would be unfair, but to hang out and see the place being trashed, and staying...I have far less sympathy. Kinda like going to a dog fight, but excusing yourself because your only a spectator.
<quoted text>
And how do you determine which kids left after they saw the destruction? The 2 photos i saw showed graffitti inside somewhere and a busted window. I parked down the street and walked thru the side to get to the back yard. Me and the boys were just chillin. About 30 minutrs later, i went inside to take leak and that's when i saw whst was going on, so we split.

We have pictures of you in the house.
I swear left right after that.
One kid said you sprau paonted the wall.
He's lying!

Get the picture?

You have no way to accurately identify who did the damage and who left once they realized what's up.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#91791 Sep 20, 2013
True story

Went to Tampa with some friends. Hit the strip club that evening. Ran into someone we knew from college. Invited us back to his place. Party going on. And him and his local buddies started getting destructive. Walking thru the screens on the patio. Smashed a little tv in the garage. Wrestled around and punched a few holes in the dry wall. This was not surprising behavior, because this dude had been known to wreck the places he lived in while we were in college.

In this instance, the party was going on before we got there. He showed us no documentation verifying that he did indeed live there and was trashing his own place. We did not run out of there in disgust. Should we have?

Take the partying kids that destroyed nothing. How many of them just heard thru the grapevine thathter was a party going on but had no idea that none of the kids at the party actually lived there. Some kids caused the damage. Some kids witnessed it and just kept their distance knowing they had not detroyed anything. Some felt uncomfortable and left. In the absence of evidence tying specific people to the destruction, you want to just spread the blame. I can't get on board with that. If someone tried to come after me for being present during someone else's vandalism, ther is no way they'd see a penny from me.

Since: Feb 10

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#91792 Sep 20, 2013
Even if they were not vandalizing the place; even if they did not know that the house had been broken into; they knew that their classmates were, at the very least, drinking alcohol and they knew they shouldn't be there.

I have no sympathy and I hope they get a judge that nails the parents who are trying to sue him.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#91793 Sep 20, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I got laid off today, along with 8 others (that's 27, I think, for the year so far). I hear it's going to get worse. Got some severence, an excellent letter of recommendation.
My boss told me, and I know she meant it, that she would rather keep me because I know way more software/computer stuff than my counterpart (the woman who comes in between 10 and 11 each day, despite having been *ordered* to be there by 9 at least twice) and I get in early to open the office, and take care of supporting the engineers for three hours before my boss/coworker arrive... but my two coworkers are older (60 or so) and would have more trouble finding another job and they need the health insurance.(I don't?)
Oh well. It's the kick int he pants I've been needing for a couple of years now. I'll get drunk tonight, throw my own private pity party, and then file for unemployment tomorrow (and hope I won't need it), take Nick out for Oktoberfest (I'm the DD) with our softball team, and then get going on job hunting this weekend. Already have everything set up on Monster.com , just need to do one more step.
SOrry to hear that, Red! A lot of times, though, this can be a blessing in disguise. Here's to hoping you find something even better - and quickly!!!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#91794 Sep 20, 2013
Like I said, its not fair but thats just tough.
Dont like it, Nark out those that did do it.(am I aging myself with Narc)
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>And how do you determine which kids left after they saw the destruction? The 2 photos i saw showed graffitti inside somewhere and a busted window. I parked down the street and walked thru the side to get to the back yard. Me and the boys were just chillin. About 30 minutrs later, i went inside to take leak and that's when i saw whst was going on, so we split.
We have pictures of you in the house.
I swear left right after that.
One kid said you sprau paonted the wall.
He's lying!
Get the picture?
You have no way to accurately identify who did the damage and who left once they realized what's up.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#91795 Sep 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Good luck with that. You're telling me your kid goes to a party for 30 minutes, sees people graffittiing the walls and decides to split, you'd feel she should be financially responsible for the damages cause she was there?
I call bullshit.
Additionally, have you never been to a party where you had no idea who's house it was? I'm not saying you invaded some stranger's house like in the story. I'm talking about word getting around thst there was a party and you showed up without even knowing what kid lived there? I know that occured more than once when I was in hs. Is that tresspassing? Cause it would be pretty easy and likely for many of the kids in this story to not have even known it was an unoccupied house. Just a place where 'someone' was having a party.
It was a small town and many of the kids had been there before for different, legit events hosted by the owner. So most of them probably knew whose house it was and thet that person wasn't there.

Just the kid being there is trespassing, though I don't know if ALL of them could be charged with breaking and entering.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#91796 Sep 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
True story
Went to Tampa with some friends. Hit the strip club that evening. Ran into someone we knew from college. Invited us back to his place. Party going on. And him and his local buddies started getting destructive. Walking thru the screens on the patio. Smashed a little tv in the garage. Wrestled around and punched a few holes in the dry wall. This was not surprising behavior, because this dude had been known to wreck the places he lived in while we were in college.
In this instance, the party was going on before we got there. He showed us no documentation verifying that he did indeed live there and was trashing his own place. We did not run out of there in disgust. Should we have?
Take the partying kids that destroyed nothing. How many of them just heard thru the grapevine thathter was a party going on but had no idea that none of the kids at the party actually lived there. Some kids caused the damage. Some kids witnessed it and just kept their distance knowing they had not detroyed anything. Some felt uncomfortable and left. In the absence of evidence tying specific people to the destruction, you want to just spread the blame. I can't get on board with that. If someone tried to come after me for being present during someone else's vandalism, ther is no way they'd see a penny from me.
Maybe it'd teach the kids to be careful where they hang out and what situations they put themselves into. And that they shouldn't have knowingly been in a place where there was underage drinking. Also illegal.

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