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Sep 16, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Did you read the comments? THere were some good ones, including from a woman who was pointing out that she can't fault a 19, 20 year old college student for not having balls of steel in this situation. At that age, they're still navigating the waters of life and thinking about their futures.
She said it better than I paraphrased. But she saved most of her disappointment and judgment for the adults *out of college*-- the alums who didn't let the black girls join the sororities.
Well, I agree aboutg the adults "out of college". Those are flat out racists.

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That's another reason why NC got rid of teacher tenure. If you are good, you get a four year contract, if not, you operate year to year. I think that is good.
I wish all states did that!

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Did you read the comments? THere were some good ones, including from a woman who was pointing out that she can't fault a 19, 20 year old college student for not having balls of steel in this situation. At that age, they're still navigating the waters of life and thinking about their futures.
She said it better than I paraphrased. But she saved most of her disappointment and judgment for the adults *out of college*-- the alums who didn't let the black girls join the sororities.
I don't know. Remembering myself at that age, I would think they would be *more* ballsy and outspoken about it because so many of us at that age were so idealistic and out to change the world and fight against injustices. At least I was and most people I knew were. I'd have been more apt to quit a social club in the interest of standing up for what was right. But maybe that's not what most people that age think.

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I don't know. Remembering myself at that age, I would think they would be *more* ballsy and outspoken about it because so many of us at that age were so idealistic and out to change the world and fight against injustices. At least I was and most people I knew were. I'd have been more apt to quit a social club in the interest of standing up for what was right. But maybe that's not what most people that age think.
I was like that as well... but when I think of someone who wants to conform and be accepted into a privileged group... she might not be so quick to risk that.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
And let's remember: It's current students -- current sorority members -- who brought this to the attention of the school paper and are making a stink, and letting their names be used.

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The whole Aryan thing was a myth, according to my understanding, but they are considered caucasian. Here is a picture of albino indians and they have rather European like features, IMO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/06/in...
Interesting read. The aryan thing isn't a myth. It has to do with linguistics. Sanskrit is an Indo-Aryan language, over time this evolved into modern Indian languages such as Hindi, German, English, Farsi, etc. They are sometimes called Indo-European.

At any rate they *are8 caucasian which in mutt world means white, so yanno. Plus she's American. But in mutt world that means white skin, so there's that.

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I wish all states did that!
I like how it is a hybrid system. If you are good (top 25% get 4 year contracts), you get the security that 4 a year contract provides, and I like that it gives teachers something to work for.

I don't understand why educators have felt entitled to just coast. Given the importance of education to a society, it seems almost backwards to create a tenure system that all but ensures it. How many folks are going to strive to work relatively hard if their salary and job security has nothing to do with how much effort they put in?

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Sep 16, 2013
 
It didn't start out as coasting, sub. It was a system put in place to keep politics from being what determines whether someone has a job. But these days, I think many to most good teachers are insulted by the notion that they need tenure in order to stay in a good teaching job. THey want to be judged more on their merits than as a collective bargaining unit. But a big part of that is, they aren't aware of how bad it used to be.

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I was like that as well... but when I think of someone who wants to conform and be accepted into a privileged group... she might not be so quick to risk that.
Very good point.

Also good point that it was students, using their names, speaking out. I wonder if they'll eventually walk away.

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I like how it is a hybrid system. If you are good (top 25% get 4 year contracts), you get the security that 4 a year contract provides, and I like that it gives teachers something to work for.
I don't understand why educators have felt entitled to just coast. Given the importance of education to a society, it seems almost backwards to create a tenure system that all but ensures it. How many folks are going to strive to work relatively hard if their salary and job security has nothing to do with how much effort they put in?
Yeah, the hybrid thing is good. It's rewarding the better performers, but not making that reward indefinite. I get reviewed every year and my pay is based on it. Granted, I am the employee every manager dreams of: 5 star, A+++++, but even *I'd* be tempted to slack if it didn't matter!!!:)

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Sep 16, 2013
 
Interesting, seemingly fair summary as to what happened to Detroit:

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/opinio...

And it looks like Los Angeles won't be far behind.

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I don't know. Remembering myself at that age, I would think they would be *more* ballsy and outspoken about it because so many of us at that age were so idealistic and out to change the world and fight against injustices. At least I was and most people I knew were. I'd have been more apt to quit a social club in the interest of standing up for what was right. But maybe that's not what most people that age think.
I think a lot of folks who feel that way would never even join a sorority like that in the first place, tho. So, that voice is probably less common or absent in such a setting. I mean, if you feel that way are you really going to join a house that goes against the things you believe in and expect to be the person who changes it? Probably not ... you are probably going to seek out a house with folks whose company you enjoy and who by and large share your values.

I didn't want to be in one of the elitist snooty fraternities, because I just didn't want to be around those types. I didn't even visit any of them. I'm just not that way. I donít like folks who are pretentious.

I didn't even plan to join one at all ... my dorm roommate had met a bunch of guys from one house when he came to visit during the summer and one of the first nights after we moved in he invited me to party, and I met them, they seemed like nice guys, and that's how I joined.

The one I joined wasn't one of the larger ones on campus. When I joined there were maybe 40 guys in the house (but my pledge class had 16 guys in it and our next class in the spring had like 12 guys in it). When I pledged, of active members, there was a black guy, about 4 or 5 asian guys, and my pledge father, who I picked to kind of be my mentor when I was a pledge, who was puerto rican. For Wisconsin, thatís pretty diverse.

I can't say I sought out a house that had some diversity. I'm just not one to think in those terms Ö I prefer colorblindness to preference of any group, including a preference to the presence of minorities. However, I certainly would not want to be a part of an organization that discriminated against folks because of their skin color or race, and I would be the first to say f' that, if that sort of thing was going on.

I would have hated being in a house with a bunch of snobsÖ The folks who will seek out such a house are either a) very insecure, want to fit in at all costs, and because of this are not likely to speak up for what is right or b) they are snobs themselves and likely to be the very ones who enforce such a policy in the first place.

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The whole Aryan thing was a myth, according to my understanding, but they are considered caucasian. Here is a picture of albino indians and they have rather European like features, IMO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/06/in...
I'd seen their picture before, but got no backstory. That's fascinating. Interesting that they moved from Tamil Nadu to a more progressive area. That's where I was supposed to be going, and it's definitely very old school compared to other areas of India. I guess the fact that they're alive shows that it's not as bad for Indians with albinism as it is for some in Africa.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
I know people who joined frats/sororities because it ended up being cheaper than living in the dorms.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
This was interesting (and not too long):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ny-wif...

Basically, man killed his SON and his then-wife (or she may even have been a new ex at that point) for insurance money, and his latest wife figured it out and then got scared, b/c he had $1.2M life insurance on her.

I can understand killing your spouse for the insurance money. I mean, it's nuts, you're crazy to do it, but I can get it. That love is gone, you may now despise that person. But your own CHILD?

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Sep 16, 2013
 
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I know people who joined frats/sororities because it ended up being cheaper than living in the dorms.
I think it was cheaper too, but that's not why I joined. The guys were cool and normal (typical Wisconsin guys and a quite a few guys from Minnesota too), we huge parties many weekends if you wanted to go to them, and pretty much every day of the week there were more low key things you could do, whether that be hanging out shooting pool in our house, drinking games with a few guys and gals in someone's room, or hitting the bars. You could also have a life outside of the house too.

Basically, you could do everything you can do if you don't join a house, and more. I'm glad I joined.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
I thought the albino story was interesting too.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
And I never would have guessed they were Indian. They looked like regular Americans to me. Shows how many similarities we have with them in bone structure, etc.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
This was interesting (and not too long):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ny-wif...
Basically, man killed his SON and his then-wife (or she may even have been a new ex at that point) for insurance money, and his latest wife figured it out and then got scared, b/c he had $1.2M life insurance on her.
I can understand killing your spouse for the insurance money. I mean, it's nuts, you're crazy to do it, but I can get it. That love is gone, you may now despise that person. But your own CHILD?
People can be sick.

Last week, a local (to me) woman killed her 10-year-old daughter and then herself, presumably as revenge against her ex-husband, who was fighting her for custody due to her drinking problem (multiple DUIs, including one while she was on her way to pick up her daughter).

Horrifying fact: this little girl was good friends with my boyfriend's friend's daughter (did you follow that?) and the daughter spent the night at this girl's house last Saturday. Her mom murdered her on Thursday. Thank goodness she didn't snap a few days earlier....

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Sep 16, 2013
 
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I think a lot of folks who feel that way would never even join a sorority like that in the first place, tho. So, that voice is probably less common or absent in such a setting. I mean, if you feel that way are you really going to join a house that goes against the things you believe in and expect to be the person who changes it? Probably not ... you are probably going to seek out a house with folks whose company you enjoy and who by and large share your values.
This did cross my mind, too, and I think you're right.

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