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Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#90731 Sep 4, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Yeah, I was hoping the other inmates would have had a chance to take him out like they did Dahmer. But, he's gone and that's a good thing.
I read where the guards have rounds every 30 minutes, but it's staggered so as not to be predictable. I hope they made their rounds, saw him hanging there and then went back to finish their coffee before checking on him again. <shrug>
I figure the guards gave him the rope or belt or whatever he hung himself with.
A noted observer

Aurora, IL

#90732 Sep 4, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Only thing that might have been better, would have been to put him in General Population, and let the prisoners do it....sure saved the taxpayers a lot.....
OK, I know you mean well but, we've got to stop this notion that prisoners are the ultimate/only *justice* in our society. Honestly, what kind of a *civilization* is that?
A noted observer

Aurora, IL

#90733 Sep 4, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Every now and then you hit the nail on the head.
I only post every now and then so, I must be batting a thousand.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Itasca, IL

#90734 Sep 4, 2013
i get what we've taken to calling "the heart thing" every once in awhile. what's really happennind is that somehow, the nerve "trunk line" through my torso is somehow pinched, so it sends my heart rate way up, i start sweating profusely, and getting a bit woozy. if i lie flat, have a cold washcloth for my forehead or neck, and give it 10-15 minutes, things settle down. i also sip juice or sprite if i can. I can't predict this, or prevent it, but when it hits, i have to take a break. i've never felt the urge to puke, so i don't know if this is the same as what you had... check wtih your MD the next time you go...

Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#90735 Sep 4, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I know you mean well but, we've got to stop this notion that prisoners are the ultimate/only *justice* in our society. Honestly, what kind of a *civilization* is that?
I pretty much figure that in prison, there really isn't much civilzation and that can work to our benefit.
A noted observer

Aurora, IL

#90736 Sep 4, 2013
Stina2 wrote:
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I pretty much figure that in prison, there really isn't much civilzation and that can work to our benefit.
Society's revenge is supposed to be putting people prison. Hoping that once certain miscreants get there that they are further brutalized by murderers and thieves is like admitting that our judicial system doesn't work. We might as well cut to the chase and go back to the lynch mobs of the old west and the south of the early 20th century.

Since: Jan 10

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#90737 Sep 4, 2013
Thanks for all the kind words, folks. I was pretty scared at 1 a.m.! Unfortunately, I don't have juice or sugared sodas in the house, but those would be the easiest, fastest thing, I think, and preferable to taking a spoonful of sugar.

But I think I'll get prepared so if it happens again, I can have something handy. I'm going to see what the expiration date is on the juice boxes Nick buys his kids, and help myself to one or two to keep in my fridge.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#90738 Sep 4, 2013
Society's revenge??? No such animal, it is called justice and sometimes simple incarceration is not justice enough
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Society's revenge is supposed to be putting people prison.
It doesn't. Just look at the Pct of repeat prisoners.(rec,rev something ism)
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Hoping that once certain miscreants get there that they are further brutalized by murderers and thieves is like admitting that our judicial system doesn't work.
After a fair trial, I am all for it.
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text> We might as well cut to the chase and go back to the lynch mobs of the old west and the south of the early 20th century.

Since: Mar 11

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#90739 Sep 4, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Society's revenge is supposed to be putting people prison. Hoping that once certain miscreants get there that they are further brutalized by murderers and thieves is like admitting that our judicial system doesn't work. We might as well cut to the chase and go back to the lynch mobs of the old west and the south of the early 20th century.
I'm all for lynch mobs when our justice system protects the criminal instead of the victim.

Due punishment is not revenge; it's supposed to be a deterrent. And there is an easy fix to criminals getting brutalized by other prisoners. Obey the law in the first place.
A noted observer

Aurora, IL

#90740 Sep 4, 2013
RACE wrote:
Society's revenge??? No such animal, it is called justice and sometimes simple incarceration is not justice enough
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It doesn't. Just look at the Pct of repeat prisoners.(rec,rev something ism)
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After a fair trial, I am all for it.
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Well, there should be a special place in prison (let's call it "general population") for people who cherry pick others posts.

I gather you are in favor of lynchings. I guess you assume you'll be part of the mob, rather than the target?

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#90741 Sep 4, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Thanks for all the kind words, folks. I was pretty scared at 1 a.m.! Unfortunately, I don't have juice or sugared sodas in the house, but those would be the easiest, fastest thing, I think, and preferable to taking a spoonful of sugar.
But I think I'll get prepared so if it happens again, I can have something handy. I'm going to see what the expiration date is on the juice boxes Nick buys his kids, and help myself to one or two to keep in my fridge.
Keep some candy in the night stand. Or maybe get some of those jelly packets from the restaurant and bring a few home and keep them there. Also honey is fast and easy.

Since: Mar 11

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#90742 Sep 4, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Thanks for all the kind words, folks. I was pretty scared at 1 a.m.! Unfortunately, I don't have juice or sugared sodas in the house, but those would be the easiest, fastest thing, I think, and preferable to taking a spoonful of sugar.
But I think I'll get prepared so if it happens again, I can have something handy. I'm going to see what the expiration date is on the juice boxes Nick buys his kids, and help myself to one or two to keep in my fridge.
Glad to hear you are feeling better after your episode, Redhead. Be kind to yourself :)

Since: Oct 12

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#90743 Sep 4, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I know you mean well but, we've got to stop this notion that prisoners are the ultimate/only *justice* in our society. Honestly, what kind of a *civilization* is that?
..Fiscally responsible?.....

Since: Oct 12

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#90744 Sep 4, 2013
Toj wrote:
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I figure the guards gave him the rope or belt or whatever he hung himself with.
Being the industrious "Can-do" guy that he was, Fox has reported, he used bed sheets.....
A noted observer

Aurora, IL

#90745 Sep 4, 2013
-CatCiao- wrote:
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I'm all for lynch mobs when our justice system protects the criminal instead of the victim.
Due punishment is not revenge; it's supposed to be a deterrent. And there is an easy fix to criminals getting brutalized by other prisoners. Obey the law in the first place.
You have a very pretty eye but, you are in no better position to quibble semantics than that anal-retentive list-maker.

So, you don't think a lynch mob would be revenge? That prisoners brutalizing each other isn't revenge? I hate to quibble semantics- that's for sorry cheesedcks- but, is that "justice"?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#90746 Sep 4, 2013
Hey, their your words not mine. I cherry picked nothing.
and yeah I will be part of the mob because I am not a dipsheit criminal.
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Well, there should be a special place in prison (let's call it "general population") for people who cherry pick others posts.
I gather you are in favor of lynchings. I guess you assume you'll be part of the mob, rather than the target?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#90747 Sep 4, 2013
If the victim was the one doing the brutalizing or lynching then I would call it revenge. But when the clan as a whole does it, thats justice and not semantics.
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>You have a very pretty eye but, you are in no better position to quibble semantics than that anal-retentive list-maker.
So, you don't think a lynch mob would be revenge? That prisoners brutalizing each other isn't revenge? I hate to quibble semantics- that's for sorry cheesedcks- but, is that "justice"?

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#90748 Sep 4, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Keep some candy in the night stand. Or maybe get some of those jelly packets from the restaurant and bring a few home and keep them there. Also honey is fast and easy.
Honey! Great idea.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#90749 Sep 4, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Society's revenge is supposed to be putting people prison. Hoping that once certain miscreants get there that they are further brutalized by murderers and thieves is like admitting that our judicial system doesn't work. We might as well cut to the chase and go back to the lynch mobs of the old west and the south of the early 20th century.
It depends on your theory of incarceration.
Do you lock someone up to punish them
It is society's retribution?
Does society have an obligation to rehabilitate a person?
Are the services available to a guy who could get out in 40 years different than those for whom there will be no parole?
For me, personally, for crimes of violence against a person or really massive crimes that impacted lots of people, like Madoff, jail is punishment and any retribution meted out by the prison population bothers me less.
For the people who might be back in society, punishment should be balanced with rehabilitation so there is a lower chance of recidivism.

Ariel Castro stood in court and said he was not a monster. He was a monster. I agree that eh system needed to just lock him away because they struck the deal of death penalty, but , as with Dahmer, I am not sorry events intervened.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#90750 Sep 4, 2013
-CatCiao- wrote:
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I'm all for lynch mobs when our justice system protects the criminal instead of the victim.
Due punishment is not revenge; it's supposed to be a deterrent. And there is an easy fix to criminals getting brutalized by other prisoners. Obey the law in the first place.
Have you ever read the whole Frankenstein story or the story behind the Rossini opera The Thieving Magpie or read about the crimes committed by the blacks who were lynched in the American South? Lynch mobs ignore the process of fact finding and truth. But once that part is honored, I think that merely being put in jail is no longer a deterrent or even much punishment.

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