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Since: Aug 08

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#90611 Aug 30, 2013
dahgts wrote:
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I'm sure interested in your solution to the so-called living wage issue. A majority of these workers are part-time and high school age. Hopefully, they will be able to better themselves for their future by learning a work ethic and earning some money that might just go to college. And not everyone can do that.
Certain jobs are not meant to be a career. Certain jobs are not meant to support a family of 4. Certain jobs are meant to be done by seniors who just want a little supplemental income, teenagers, spouses, who want a part time job and a little bit more money for their family, and someone going to college or a trade school who needs a little extra income for expenses. Flipping burgers and asking folks if theyíd like fries with this are one of these jobs.

Iím not saying this because Iím elitist, either; Iíve done shyte jobs that pay poorly:

I worked when I was a teen in a Chinese Restaurant, doing dishes and busing tables, making $5 something an hour.

Before that I worked on a farm, doing many things, but often times unloading huge wagons full of hay in the hot sun, for $2.50 a load.

In college I worked in a convenience store as a clerk as well in a university lab, making maybe $6 or $7 and hour.

These things I say should not be some unforeseen revelation Ö no one working in fast food should feel blind-sided by the fact that they arenít paid well, just like no one who decides his career will be riding his bike and collecting recycled cans out of dumpsters should be surprised to find out that this wonít pay very well. Everyone knows and has always known that these jobs donít pay well.

I donít even see it as a problem in the fast food industry. If you want to make more money, you need to acquire a more valuable job skill. That's really all there is to it, as far as I'm concerned.

Since: Aug 08

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#90612 Aug 30, 2013
dahgts wrote:
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Do you want your high tax dollars to fund trade education? Fund birth control? What? Subsidize corps to bring back mfg back to the US? Also,it's obvious that large companies have not jumped in to job create with their bags of cash.
Iím all for funding trade education and funding higher education in general.

Iím all for free access to birth control.

In terms of companies who offshore jobs, Iím not in favor of unfettered free trade. I think a huge problem with the WTO is that there are no standards. It is precisely this fact that causes many companies to send stuff offshore, because if they arenít doing it and their competitors are, they are at a competitive disadvantage if they donít follow suit. When you have countries with no labor or environmental standards, those are where all the non-high-tech manufacturing jobs are going to go. Iíve seen it Ö Iíve lived it. Many of us have seen it. It started back when my father was in the business world. If you want to solve the problem, you have to know why it happens Ö itís not because some Mr. Burns type is wringing his hands trying to figure out how to buy a bigger boat.

That is something a many folks including a former community organizer wouldnít understand, because they have never worked in a manufacturing business setting, at a high level. At the Presidential level, thatís very problematic because, if you donít understand what causes something you donít care for (I think off shoring is pretty much universally despised), you are ill equipped to find a solution to it.

Since: Jan 10

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#90613 Aug 30, 2013
Stina2 wrote:
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No, it's taxed a lot MORE than the regular rate (maybe that's what you meant to type?). I do get some back, but it doesn't feel like it!:(
I know it is taxed more, but that is because they tax it as if that amount IS your regular paycheck.

Since: Jan 10

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#90614 Aug 30, 2013
That is how I meant for it to come out the first time, anyway!
edogxxx

Brooklyn, NY

#90615 Aug 30, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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Then doesn't it make sense for both parties to treat each other well?
Are they getting a paycheck? Then they are treated well. That's all the owner owes them.

Since: Aug 08

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#90616 Aug 30, 2013
A Noted Observer wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually I couldn't say that because I don't believe that.
Are you trying to say that teachers are underpaid? Do you have an opinion along those lines or do you only wrongly interpret what you'd like to *think* other posters are *saying*?
No, I don't think teachers are underpaid considering they only work 9 months out of the year and have a great retirement package compared to folks in the private sector. My wife was a teacher too, and I know that it's not just a 8-3:30 job, either, and often times you are using your own money for school supplies.

What I was saying is that someone with absolutely no skills who does a fast food job that some kid in junior high could do just as well should not be paid like they are skilled, and in my specific example, paid like a teacher, who spent 40-80k on tuition and went to college and student taught for 4-5 years. The very thought is just ludicrous.

“Not a real reg”

Since: Jan 13

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#90617 Aug 30, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I know it is taxed more, but that is because they tax it as if that amount IS your regular paycheck.
Not exactly. Employers can tax in two different ways. Add it to your paycheck and tax as if that was your weekly pay which would be high. OR issue a separate check and tax at a fixed % as I've mentioned earlier.

You can also adjust your W4 if you can figure out your EOY liability to account for the higher rate for the combined check. A lot of people don't know that. As long as you declare the correct info on your return you can claim M10 even when single. Don't advise it tho unless you know what you will have to pay.
In my 30+ years, most in payroll mgt. I've had people put exempt on there because they got a refund the previous year. We used to have to send a copy of the W4 to the IRS.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#90618 Aug 30, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Not only that, but it's not like you actually get to keep all this money you earn. If you get paid more, you pay more in taxes.
I just got a bonus this past month for an idea of mine and the government took about 42% of my bonus.
I come up with an idea, with my own f'ing brain and society is entitled to 42% of any profit I derive from it. That's fair. Really? No, that's not fair ... that's liberal social justice for you.
Was that 42% for both Feds and State? Any city or local tax?

What do you get for that 42%?

Other than
1, A cop when you call him
2. A firetruck when you need it
3.Clean water
4.Streets which are paved and lighted
5. Maybe garbage pick up
6.Confidence that the food you buy won't poison you or give you parasites
7. Schools for your boys
8 Any special ed services you might need
9. An airport and some guys who keep the planes from running/crashing into each other
10 A library, both local and central which keeps a copy of everything (Library of Congress)
11. A bunch of guys in offices who make sure that that idea of yours isn't ripped off and profited by some pirate
12.A judge and a courthouse in case you get into a disagreement.

That's just off the top of my head. Sounds cheap at 42%

Since: Aug 08

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#90619 Aug 30, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>In terms of companies who offshore jobs, Iím not in favor of unfettered free trade. I think a huge problem with the WTO is that there are no standards. It is precisely this fact that causes many companies to send stuff offshore, because if they arenít doing it and their competitors are, they are at a competitive disadvantage if they donít follow suit.
This is exactly how this all works:

Big manufacturing companies, almost never make 100% of the components that go in their products. This is true for boeing, the automotive industry, high tech industry ... many, many industries.

Say I'm a big manufacture and I want component X for an end product of mine. I need a million of them ever year. I go to supplier A, who makes everything in the U.S. he gives me a quote of 6.5 cents per component X. I go to supplier B, who makes component X offshore in China and he gives me a quote of 6.25 cents per component X. Guess who is going to win that bid?

How long do you think supplier A is going to take to figure out that if it wants to stay in business it needs to lower its labor costs and the easiest way to do is set up some company in China or sub-contract in China.

This is what has happened to our manufacturing industry, across the board and while in some industries, you can use automation to offset the labor cost disparities, that really doesnít help American workers either, because they end up being replaced by machines.

“Not a real reg”

Since: Jan 13

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#90620 Aug 30, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Iím all for funding trade education and funding higher education in general.
Iím all for free access to birth control.
In terms of companies who offshore jobs, Iím not in favor of unfettered free trade. I think a huge problem with the WTO is that there are no standards. It is precisely this fact that causes many companies to send stuff offshore, because if they arenít doing it and their competitors are, they are at a competitive disadvantage if they donít follow suit. When you have countries with no labor or environmental standards, those are where all the non-high-tech manufacturing jobs are going to go. Iíve seen it Ö Iíve lived it. Many of us have seen it. It started back when my father was in the business world. If you want to solve the problem, you have to know why it happens Ö itís not because some Mr. Burns type is wringing his hands trying to figure out how to buy a bigger boat.
That is something a many folks including a former community organizer wouldnít understand, because they have never worked in a manufacturing business setting, at a high level. At the Presidential level, thatís very problematic because, if you donít understand what causes something you donít care for (I think off shoring is pretty much universally despised), you are ill equipped to find a solution to it.
I agree with this but you make very general statements that I believe don't reflect the many facets of the problem. Believe me, where I live there's a large number of takers around here but I know in different areas the story changes.

And I'm also proud that I can use as many letters on my keyboard as you do.:)
A Noted Observer

Hoffman Estates, IL

#90621 Aug 30, 2013
If $15 an hour is "too much" and conservatives also think $7.25 an hour is "too much" and "encroaching on teachers pay" and they suddenly love and respect teachers (maybe firemen too?) then perhaps they should be made aware of "inflation" and how the price of everything has gone up DRAMATICALLY since any point in history and that wages for most people have not.

Just this past presidential election teachers were vilified as "making too much money" and "only working nine months out of the year". That also happened on this page! Now, those same people are afraid that fast food workers might make as much as those over-paid teachers.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Petersburg, FL

#90622 Aug 30, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
That is how I meant for it to come out the first time, anyway!
Gotcha! I wasn't sure what you meant!

Since: Aug 08

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#90623 Aug 30, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Was that 42% for both Feds and State? Any city or local tax?
SS, Medicare, Federal, State.

No city or local income tax Ö I do have real property and personal property tax (cars, boat, motorcycle) at the local level, but taxes down here are nowhere close to what they are back in IL. Iíd easily be paying 4 or 5 times the amount in property tax up there.
PEllen wrote:
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What do you get for that 42%?
Other than
1, A cop when you call him
2. A firetruck when you need it
3.Clean water
4.Streets which are paved and lighted
5. Maybe garbage pick up
6.Confidence that the food you buy won't poison you or give you parasites
7. Schools for your boys
8 Any special ed services you might need
9. An airport and some guys who keep the planes from running/crashing into each other
10 A library, both local and central which keeps a copy of everything (Library of Congress)
11. A bunch of guys in offices who make sure that that idea of yours isn't ripped off and profited by some pirate
12.A judge and a courthouse in case you get into a disagreement.
That's just off the top of my head. Sounds cheap at 42%
1.Iíve never needed the cops. My fists are registered as lethal weapons.:p

2.I have a garden hose, smoke alarms and home owners insurance, worst case scenario.

3.I have well water.

4.But for streets, we'd probably have jetson's cars already.

5.I pay for my own garbage pick up.

6.How safe food is our food? Cooking it properly goes a long way in avoiding parasites.

7. Schools are good, but without taxes I could more easily send them to private school.

8. See 7.

9.I almost always drive, unless it is overseas or business.

10.That would be me.

11.Yeah, but without the judges and the cops, I could quickly solve things with my lethal weapon fists, with impunity. Besides, lawyers are a-holes.:p

Since: Aug 08

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#90624 Aug 30, 2013
A Noted Observer wrote:
If $15 an hour is "too much" and conservatives also think $7.25 an hour is "too much" and "encroaching on teachers pay" and they suddenly love and respect teachers (maybe firemen too?) then perhaps they should be made aware of "inflation" and how the price of everything has gone up DRAMATICALLY since any point in history and that wages for most people have not.
I never said $7.25 was too much and I don't think very many conservatives say that either.$7.25 is currently what it is set as.

I think the minimum wage should probably be about $9 and indexed for inflation, as well.$15 an hour is just crazy talk, tho.
A Noted Observer wrote:
Just this past presidential election teachers were vilified as "making too much money" and "only working nine months out of the year". That also happened on this page! Now, those same people are afraid that fast food workers might make as much as those over-paid teachers.
I don't think anyone is afraid they will make that much. It's pie in the sky that they will ever make that much.

Since: Aug 08

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#90625 Aug 30, 2013
dahgts wrote:
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I agree with this but you make very general statements that I believe don't reflect the many facets of the problem. Believe me, where I live there's a large number of takers around here but I know in different areas the story changes.
And I'm also proud that I can use as many letters on my keyboard as you do.:)
There needs to be built in accountability mechanisms in our welfare programs. It shouldn't just be a free for all and you can live as if you actually earned that money yourself and can keep on the same path, with impunity, that got you there in the first place. Try telling that to many liberals and they say you hate poor people just because you don't want to enable and subsidize poor choices in life.

I type very fast.

Since: Aug 08

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#90626 Aug 30, 2013
Alright kids, it's been fun, but I gotta run.

Since: Jan 10

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#90627 Aug 30, 2013
I am bored. I am trying to go the whole weekend without drinking!

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#90628 Aug 30, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Alright kids, it's been fun, but I gotta run.
I hope you're running off to a fun holiday weekend!
A Noted Observer

Hoffman Estates, IL

#90629 Aug 30, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I never said $7.25 was too much and I don't think very many conservatives say that either.$7.25 is currently what it is set as.
I think the minimum wage should probably be about $9 and indexed for inflation, as well.$15 an hour is just crazy talk, tho.
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I don't think anyone is afraid they will make that much. It's pie in the sky that they will ever make that much.
That post wasn't addressed to you. Pay attention and stop being so egotesticle as to think the entire thread is about you. THIS post is but, not necessarily the others.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#90630 Aug 30, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I am bored. I am trying to go the whole weekend without drinking!
With all of Nick's family around? For 3 days?

Might as well just wear a hair shirt.
:D

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