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edogxxx wrote:
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I don't think it's near "nuff" at all. Have you... actually ASKED grown men from 2000 years ago?
I'm asking how you KNOW all this. Do you have a legitimate answer? Or is all this just your opinion?


This is a classic Russell's Teapot situation.

How do you know there is not an invisible unicorn/dragon hybrid that poops rainbow skittles who lives the center of the earth? Have you actually gone there and looked for it?

If you submit this beast does not exist, I'm asking how you KNOW there is not such an invisible unicorn/dragon hybrid? Do you have a legitimate answer? Or if you disagree, is that just your opinion?

Nice try, buddy, but your line of thinking was discredited long ago by Bertrand Russell (you've probably never heard of him but suffice it to say he was 10000% times more intelligent than you will ever be):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teap...

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I also didn't say intelligence ... I said worldly knowledge. Knowledge is a component of intelligence, but intelligence is much more than just knowledge, IMO.
Oh, yes, WORLDLY knowledge. Not to be confused with intelligence.

Five hundred years ago, people thought the earth was flat. By your logic, today's third graders have more WORLDLY knowledge than adults from five hundred years ago. So what's your point?

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edogxxx wrote:
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I cannot say THIS enough: How so?
Okay, so she was married four times instead of five. Boy, I was WAY off!
What else you got?
my expected life span is too short to enumerate all of them.

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<quoted text>Summer of 68 I was between Freshman and sophomore years in college. I was taking classes at the Art Institute which is in the middle of Grant Park and taking Trigonometry at Loyola which is in the middle f Rush Street just down the street from the Armory . All week I went from hippie camp out protests to hungover conventioneers interspersed with the Guard in jeeps with barbed wire on the back cruising near Holy Name Cathedral and north Michigan Ave.
Been there. Done that. Drove my parents nuts especially my father who is an ex Chicago cop. At least one of their friends was hurt in the melee.
Then back to CU for more, but not quite the same.
Grew up with a kid in Park Forest, whose dad was a manager at the Conrad Hilton...He told us about the Weathermen renting a suite, then starting a bonfire on this uber expensive persian rug and dropping paper bags of feces from their window onto the cops.....I handed out literature for Robert Kennedy, that summer...i was 16....Really hurt, when he was killed....

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my expected life span is too short to enumerate all of them.
Another non answer backed up with nothing. Big surprise....

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Sublime1 wrote:
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This is a classic Russell's Teapot situation.
How do you know there is not an invisible unicorn/dragon hybrid that poops rainbow skittles who lives the center of the earth? Have you actually gone there and looked for it?
If you submit this beast does not exist, I'm asking how you KNOW there is not such an invisible unicorn/dragon hybrid? Do you have a legitimate answer? Or if you disagree, is that just your opinion?
Nice try, buddy, but your line of thinking was discredited long ago by Bertrand Russell (you've probably never heard of him but suffice it to say he was 10000% times more intelligent than you will ever be):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teap...
Nice attempt at deflection (okay, not really). I wasn't asking you to prove God's non-existence, I was asking you to prove what men thought about washing their hands 2000 years ago.

And since you've deflected from the subject so awkwardly, I'll play your little game.

I'm well aware of Bertrand Russell. What I always find ironic about atheists, is they claim their belief requires no proof, but demand believers provide proof for theirs. Isn't that ironic?

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edogxxx wrote:
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Oh, yes, WORLDLY knowledge. Not to be confused with intelligence.
Five hundred years ago, people thought the earth was flat. By your logic, today's third graders have more WORLDLY knowledge than adults from five hundred years ago. So what's your point?
They do have more worldly knowledge! That's why 500 years ago folks were burning witches at the stake and blaming plagues and famines on acts of god. Yet folks like you still choose to live your lives according to their superstitious and supernatural beliefs, without in iota of proof that the invisible man who they believed exists, actually exists!

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Nice attempt at deflection (okay, not really). I wasn't asking you to prove God's non-existence, I was asking you to prove what men thought about washing their hands 2000 years ago.
It's the same flawed logic, asking me to prove the nonexistence of the absurd and submitting that since I can't go back in time and unproven something that is absurd it is reasonable to conclude that the absurd exists. It would be like you submitting than men 2000 years ago knew how to construct Kevlar armor or build the space shuttle, and then when I can't go back in time and prove this, submitting that it's logical to conclude that they actually did know how to construct Kevlar armor and build the space shuttle, even though there is not one iota of proof to support such a ridiculous contention.
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<quoted text>What I always find ironic about atheists, is they claim their belief requires no proof, but demand believers provide proof for theirs. Isn't that ironic?
You obviously don't understand the point of Russell's teapot, then. The point is, if someone is going to suggest something absurd exists, like an invisible omnipresent being who controls everything that happens on the earth, the burden should be on them to show at the very least a modicum of proof that it exists. To adopt a logic that is contrary to this results in the the situation I proposed, where it suddenly becomes logical to believe there is a unicorn/dragon hybrid in the center of the earth, because after all, you can't prove that there is not!

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Sublime1 wrote:
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I respect other people's right to believe what they wish (was out to breakfast on a trip a few weeks ago and one of the guys asked to say a grace before we ate, which was fine with me ... I'm not militant about it), but if folks are going to spout off about how wise they are as believers or project an air of superiority for being "god fearing," I think it's fair game to respond.
Remember this, Sublime? Your words. It goes both ways, and at this point, you are not just responding, you are acting like anyone who believes other than what you do is a complete imbecile.

I believe in God. Can I prove He exists? Nope. Can you prove He doesn't? Nope. So, why the shouting match? It's all a matter of opinion. I no longer ascribe to any specific religion, because I don't believe in what I call "man made" rules. But I still have faith. I might be wrong. You might be wrong. In the end, most religions have one thing in common...love one another. That's not such a bad mantra.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Grew up with a kid in Park Forest, whose dad was a manager at the Conrad Hilton...He told us about the Weathermen renting a suite, then starting a bonfire on this uber expensive persian rug and dropping paper bags of feces from their window onto the cops.....I handed out literature for Robert Kennedy, that summer...i was 16....Really hurt, when he was killed....
That was an interesting segway!

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<quoted text>That was an interesting segway!
Yeah,i guess...I'm already on too many combat threads...lol...People get much more brave, than real life...from the safety of their anonymous keyboards...lol...

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cannot say this enough. he's so wrong in so many ways.
by the way, thanks for the refresher course about the vietnam war. I was in my 20's and knew it was so wrong. wanted to go downtown during the dnc but had two little ones to deal with.
husband worked there at night so experienced the mayhem.
The 60s man...any ONE of the things that happened during that decade would have been huge, but all of it happening in one 10 year period? Glad I was just a little kid.

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Sublime1 wrote:
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Ask any 3rd grader why you wash your hands and what can happen if you don't. Ask grown men from 2000 years ago why folks get sick and they would blame it on an invisible man in the sky ... Nuff said.
Exactly. They had no concept of micro organisms. Most people never traveled more than (at the MOST) a couple miles from where they were born. MOST people had no education whatsoever. There were an elite few; scribes and such, but the vast majority of people spent their lives surviving. If something worked (seeds in ground example) they just kept doing it without understanding why it worked or in fact how to make it work better/produce more, etc., etc., etc.

Also, we have 2000 more years worth of human experience to draw from. So the collective knowledge of humankind thing supports your position. Of course you do realize you're arguing with someone who has a collection of tin foil hats right?

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Remember this, Sublime? Your words. It goes both ways, and at this point, you are not just responding, you are acting like anyone who believes other than what you do is a complete imbecile.
I believe in God. Can I prove He exists? Nope. Can you prove He doesn't? Nope. So, why the shouting match? It's all a matter of opinion. I no longer ascribe to any specific religion, because I don't believe in what I call "man made" rules. But I still have faith. I might be wrong. You might be wrong. In the end, most religions have one thing in common...love one another. That's not such a bad mantra.
It not so much that you believe. You have faith, and if you try to live what you say you believe, awesome. I wouldn't even ask you to prove it, unless, like the mutt, you try to force someone else to believe because you say so.

He is emphatic that god is a real tangible thing and anyone who doesn't believe it is wrong. Ok, if I'm wrong, show me some proof. Don't say I believe therefore god...that's belief, not proof. Mutt is trying to say that belief=proof. Sub is saying that if one makes an extraordinary claim, and make no mistake an omniscient creator of the universe who knows all that ever was and ever will be is an extraordinary claim, and one is going to insist that others believe it, then one needs to offer at least a *little* proof. Failure to offer proof does not disprove it, but belief does not *prove* it.

The concept of an Abrahamic god (or any god for that matter) is absurd to a lot of people. I do not believe. At all. Being scientifically minded however I am open to empirical proof. As yet none, zero, zilch, nada has been forthcoming. Ergo, until such time as it is presented, tested, and peer reviewed, I will continue to not believe. Mutt would try to force it on me because "look a puppy...therefore god."

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I am an atheist. It took me a long time to be able to say that, but I"ve been saying it about a year now.
I said "Agnostic" for a while because it seemed so arrogant to say in EITHER direction -- that you know there's a god or that there isn't.
But I realized over time that I"m not agnostic. I think for many atheists, agnosticism is a transition from when you were raised to believe in god and other similar stuff.
I think you're right. I never went through an agnostic period. I was about 11 or so when it occurred to me that the whole thing was unbelievable. No one I talked to, and I talked to all kinds of people for YEARS could offer me anything that made it any less unbelievable. Add to that my intense study and knowledge of history and it just became more and more absurd.

No god(s) is the null hypothesis. God(s) is the alternative hypothesis. To move from the null to the alternative requires evidence and testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

"Just believe" never did anything for me. If that works then my question is if I "just believe" that I will win the lottery then it is true. Yeah, not so much.:-|

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Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Exactly. They had no concept of micro organisms. Most people never traveled more than (at the MOST) a couple miles from where they were born. MOST people had no education whatsoever. There were an elite few; scribes and such, but the vast majority of people spent their lives surviving. If something worked (seeds in ground example) they just kept doing it without understanding why it worked or in fact how to make it work better/produce more, etc., etc., etc.
That's all true, and pointing that out doesn't mean you or I are haters. These are facts. For much of human history, the Taliban seem enlightened in comparison.

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Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Exactly. They had no concept of micro organisms. Most people never traveled more than (at the MOST) a couple miles from where they were born. MOST people had no education whatsoever. There were an elite few; scribes and such, but the vast majority of people spent their lives surviving. If something worked (seeds in ground example) they just kept doing it without understanding why it worked or in fact how to make it work better/produce more, etc., etc., etc.
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This is a general question. Was Jesus literate?In what language?

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This is over 1 hour long. I jumped thru it and watched pieces, but still probably watched a good 30 minutes.

This is pretty compelling.

Dad dropping kid off at mom's after visitation. Refused to get out of car. Mom ended up calling cops to try to get him out. Kid refused to go back into the house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Mimi Seattle wrote:
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It not so much that you believe. You have faith, and if you try to live what you say you believe, awesome. I wouldn't even ask you to prove it, unless, like the mutt, you try to force someone else to believe because you say so.
He is emphatic that god is a real tangible thing and anyone who doesn't believe it is wrong. Ok, if I'm wrong, show me some proof. Don't say I believe therefore god...that's belief, not proof. Mutt is trying to say that belief=proof. Sub is saying that if one makes an extraordinary claim, and make no mistake an omniscient creator of the universe who knows all that ever was and ever will be is an extraordinary claim, and one is going to insist that others believe it, then one needs to offer at least a *little* proof. Failure to offer proof does not disprove it, but belief does not *prove* it.
The concept of an Abrahamic god (or any god for that matter) is absurd to a lot of people. I do not believe. At all. Being scientifically minded however I am open to empirical proof. As yet none, zero, zilch, nada has been forthcoming. Ergo, until such time as it is presented, tested, and peer reviewed, I will continue to not believe. Mutt would try to force it on me because "look a puppy...therefore god."
Hi Mimi. I can find no fault in anything you write, except I don't know edogg and can't speak for him/her. There is no empirical proof that there is a God of any kind. Even those who believe they have witnessed a miracle typically cannot disprove the medical (or other) theories proving a tangible reason for what they believe is a miracle.

Faith is based on the unknown and intangible, perceptions, emotions, interpretations and teachings. Some people believe they "see" images or visions and receive messages. Non believers may argue those are tricks played by the mind and our brain's ability to fill in blanks or provide explanation according to our beliefs and opinions. Again, impossible to prove or disprove.

For me, my religious and faith experiences are deeply personal, and I don't need anyone to understand them, nor do I feel the need to make others believe what I believe. I rarely talk about it to be honest. That is one of the great things about this country; we are not punished for our religious beliefs, or non-beliefs, if you will. Love one another...that should be enough.

Did that sound really sappy? lol. Ah well, it's late, that's my excuse.

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