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#89277 Aug 9, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
We don't care what the law says about marijuana.
Smoking pot is a victimless crime.
Cousins in California told me, you can get their card by merely displaying hypertension or stress.....should likely concentrate on age limits, not conditions.....After all, everyone has access to booze.....

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Since: Dec 08

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#89278 Aug 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
Whats you point? He did not say ONLY terminal, he said INCLUDING terminal.
<quoted text>
??

He did say ONLY.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#89279 Aug 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Cousins in California told me, you can get their card by merely displaying hypertension or stress.....should likely concentrate on age limits, not conditions.....After all, everyone has access to booze.....
I was reading that article about the Colorado girl with seizures. I was somewhat aware that medical marijuana was less likely to get you high. It lso sounds like they are selling capsules, not bags of literal weed. Is all this accurate?

Since: Oct 12

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#89280 Aug 9, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>I was reading that article about the Colorado girl with seizures. I was somewhat aware that medical marijuana was less likely to get you high. It lso sounds like they are selling capsules, not bags of literal weed. Is all this accurate?
I've seen shows, where the places in California seem to have everything...plants, ounces, cookies, even liquid concentrated THC...but, each state is likely different...Sanjay Gupta is having a new special on CNN, about how he now see's the virtue of easier access and the upside.....guess he was againest it before....

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Des Plaines, IL

#89281 Aug 9, 2013
check out hte story about the little girl that someone posted the link to... i read it the other day before it was posted here. the girl started having hundreds of seizures a week, and none of hte big pharma meds were working well enough to put up wiht some of the side effects. they looked into medical marijuana, had to find 2 MDs to sign off on her, whihc was especially tricky for a 5 YO. her family extracts an oil from the plant and adds it to her food. the specific breed of plant they found is high in this compound & low in THC, the psychogenic (i think that's what they called it) compound. it worked well from the start.
my limited understanding is that seizures themselves aren;t necessarily terminal, but they can "induce failures" of other systems or cause other fatal incidents...

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Since: May 09

Des Plaines, IL

#89282 Aug 9, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>I was reading that article about the Colorado girl with seizures. I was somewhat aware that medical marijuana was less likely to get you high. It lso sounds like they are selling capsules, not bags of literal weed. Is all this accurate?
i think they bought the weed and took it to someone else to extract the oils... also, the law in that state say that it has to be sold, they can't give it away. so some people pay "real" prices and others pay what they can.... like this family.

the story did give me more info on medical marijuana that i'd seen before. i had images of people toking or eating brownies... and i was wondering how it all worked.
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#89283 Aug 9, 2013
As conservative as I am, I'm not 100% sold on no marijuana....BUT...I question a placebo affect in medicinal uses.
Is it possible people think it works when it's not as effective as they claim?
Not accusing; honestly asking...

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Since: Feb 09

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#89284 Aug 9, 2013
I seem to remember reading that for the glaucoma aspect, they did use placebos in the studies. So the claim that the dope was helping was proven.
cheluzal wrote:
As conservative as I am, I'm not 100% sold on no marijuana....BUT...I question a placebo affect in medicinal uses.
Is it possible people think it works when it's not as effective as they claim?
Not accusing; honestly asking...

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Since: Jun 09

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#89285 Aug 9, 2013
cheluzal wrote:
As conservative as I am, I'm not 100% sold on no marijuana....BUT...I question a placebo affect in medicinal uses.
Is it possible people think it works when it's not as effective as they claim?
Not accusing; honestly asking...
The only testing of which I have some knowledge concerns glaucoma. Something causes pressure in the eye to increase which in turn presses on the optic nerve essentially squeezing it to death. The etiology of the various kinds of glaucoma is unknown. What has been measured is the effects of THC on the intraocular pressure (IOP). That is not a function a person can control even with something like biofeedback. That pretty much rules out the placebo effect. Even if the person knew he was getting THC and was as high as the proverbial kite, only the pharmacology could explain the drop in the IOP. My impression is that this has progressed beyond correlation and moved to causation and has been known since the 1970's/early 80's.

My sister is a LCSW with a large cancer care center. In talking to her and her oncology nurse friends, I have heard anecdotes that THC reduces nausea which can be a debilitating side effect of chemotherapy. I haven't looked for any studies on this personally.

Some of the pain conditions such as fibromylagia have a large subjective component and thus can be skewed by a placebo effect.

The best database to search would be pubmed.com , run by NIH which compiles articles published in peer reviewed journals, and then check the articles with the Cochrane Initiative fo validity.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#89286 Aug 9, 2013
Well, egg on my face.
I totally miss read what he posted.
My bad.

I retract everything I said in his defense.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>??
He did say ONLY.

Since: Jan 10

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#89287 Aug 9, 2013
cheluzal wrote:
As conservative as I am, I'm not 100% sold on no marijuana....BUT...I question a placebo affect in medicinal uses.
Is it possible people think it works when it's not as effective as they claim?
Not accusing; honestly asking...
No more placebo effect than with any other drug.

Pot stimulates appetite and suppresses nausea, so it's good for people with certain conditions (like cancer patients getting chemo) for those reasons.

One of my best friends in college smoked like a fiend at his doctor's orders -- he was going blind from glaucoma and wanted to keep his eyesight long enough to finish college. Halfway through college he was already blind in one eye. He went fully blind right after he got his master's degree.(then he went on to become a meat inspector for the U.S.D.A -- that's right, a blind meat inspector.)

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#89288 Aug 9, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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No more placebo effect than with any other drug.
Pot stimulates appetite and suppresses nausea, so it's good for people with certain conditions (like cancer patients getting chemo) for those reasons.
One of my best friends in college smoked like a fiend at his doctor's orders -- he was going blind from glaucoma and wanted to keep his eyesight long enough to finish college. Halfway through college he was already blind in one eye. He went fully blind right after he got his master's degree.(then he went on to become a meat inspector for the U.S.D.A -- that's right, a blind meat inspector.)
Wow.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#89289 Aug 9, 2013
This is something I would like to try.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-wri...

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Since: Mar 09

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#89290 Aug 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
But if any of these can be terminal, I believe he would be correct. No?
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Not all cancer is terminal. Many many people after treatment are cancer free for that critical 5 year period. Anything that says "chronic" is something that's ongoing but not necessarily terminal. Also where it says that they can approve other debilitating conditions...debilitating doesn't equal terminal, so as usual, he's not right.

In WA it's been legal for medical for a long time. There are all kinds of dispensaries. It's really easy to get a "green card," especially if you're actually ill. But...it's legal to possess and use now. We voted on it and it went into effect July 1. They don't have the stores together yet, they're going to sell it in liquor stores (which by the way we also just voted to take away the state control so they aren't state run anymore) and they are projecting it to be available in stores about April. Still illegal to sell (privately) though I guess, but no one (law enforcement) really cares.

It's illegal to smoke in public places (even Hemp Fest LOL) but they say they are only going to tell people to put it away, like they do if you're smoking a cigarette too close to a business or some other "no smoking" place. They will only do something more than a warning if someone gets belligerent, but if they're smoking pot (and that's all) they're gonna be like "oh, ok dude...got any Doritos?"

Since: Jan 10

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#89291 Aug 9, 2013
Also, the federal government had a program in the '70s that would send 300 cigarette-sized joints PER MONTH to you if you were in the program. 20 people were in it (including a man with MS, from Iowa, and a Wisconsin woman with brittle bone disease).

They also got letters from the federal government that they had to keep on them if they wanted to smoke the joints in public -- it gave them permission to smoke anytime, anywhere. Including on airplanes and in other places you'd never dream you could smoke a joint.

From what I remember reading, the people in this program were in such pain and so ill, the pot (super premium grade hydroponic stuff) didn't get them high so much, as it brought them more to a normal level of function.

However, when you are on medicinal pot for something much less severe, yes, you will get high. That's the side effect of THC. But the other benefits are appetite stimulation and anti-nausea effects (good for chemo patients), and it also works as an anti-anxiety drug, only without the harmful side effects of prescription medication.

I think alcohol has caused far more damage to bodies and lives and families and society than pot ever could.

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Since: Mar 09

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#89292 Aug 9, 2013
dahgts wrote:
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Yeah, that's why clinics are opening so that people can "establish a relationship" with medical personnal before the law goes into effect.
When they first started with the dispensaries around here I checked them out. Note, I don't smoke pot, I am just terminally curious. And they were requiring people to bring in medical diagnoses from their actual doctors. I guess they have their own medical people now, but it's more streamlined I guess if you bring in a diagnoses. <shrug>

Apparently in Seattle the city has just licensed one specific dispensary to to home deliveries...
Casey Kaseem

Hoffman Estates, IL

#89293 Aug 9, 2013
PEllen wrote:
Lupus is thought to be teh explanation for what people think are werewolves. So smoking dope will prevent Wolfman.
It didn't prevent Wolfman Jack.

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Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#89294 Aug 9, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Also, the federal government had a program in the '70s that would send 300 cigarette-sized joints PER MONTH to you if you were in the program. 20 people were in it (including a man with MS, from Iowa, and a Wisconsin woman with brittle bone disease).
They also got letters from the federal government that they had to keep on them if they wanted to smoke the joints in public -- it gave them permission to smoke anytime, anywhere. Including on airplanes and in other places you'd never dream you could smoke a joint.
From what I remember reading, the people in this program were in such pain and so ill, the pot (super premium grade hydroponic stuff) didn't get them high so much, as it brought them more to a normal level of function.
However, when you are on medicinal pot for something much less severe, yes, you will get high. That's the side effect of THC. But the other benefits are appetite stimulation and anti-nausea effects (good for chemo patients), and it also works as an anti-anxiety drug, only without the harmful side effects of prescription medication.
I think alcohol has caused far more damage to bodies and lives and families and society than pot ever could.
The article about the little girl talks about the strain of pot this family in Colorado had been growing. It has almost no THC but has a lot of another substance (I can't remember the intitials) and that's what really helped this girl. They named it after her, Charlotte's Web.

So it does seem possible to have the medicinal properties present without also having to have the person get super-high.

And then there's this a-hole.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/opinion/samuels...

I get that his early pot usage messed with *him* but his experience is not universal and his tone really pizzed me off.

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Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#89295 Aug 9, 2013
That's right, Red.
There really is no proven medicinal value to alcohol.
We think weed has been criminalized due to decades of inbred ignorance and intolerance.
And that the government will have a very difficult time regulating and collecting taxes on a plant that can essentially be grown almost anywhere.
We believe that the alcohol poison industry is complict in the continued suppression of marijuana, as well as Big Pharma, as the legalization of pot will erode their profits.

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Since: Mar 09

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#89296 Aug 9, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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The article about the little girl talks about the strain of pot this family in Colorado had been growing. It has almost no THC but has a lot of another substance (I can't remember the intitials) and that's what really helped this girl. They named it after her, Charlotte's Web.
So it does seem possible to have the medicinal properties present without also having to have the person get super-high.
And then there's this a-hole.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/opinion/samuels...
I get that his early pot usage messed with *him* but his experience is not universal and his tone really pizzed me off.
And seriously, so what if someone gets high anyway you know? As long as they aren't operating a vehicle or something. LOTS of medications can make a person high. Oh and then there's alcohol...

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