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RACE wrote:
How about this strategy...
make your way back to the apt your staying in, maintaining a 20ft distance between yourself and the person following you. It was never stated that zimmerman was trying to close the gap or apprehend martin, just that he followed him. martin walked zimmerman walked, martin ran and hid, zimmerman went looking for him.
It was never zimmermans intention to apprehend the person, only to maintain a visual line of site as to his whereabouts. If martin has simply kept his pace and path, zimmerman would have followed at a safe (for both of them) distance.
Your view that zimmernam wanted a confrontation is unfounded.
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Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.

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Jul 17, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
How about this strategy...
make your way back to the apt your staying in, maintaining a 20ft distance between yourself and the person following you. It was never stated that zimmerman was trying to close the gap or apprehend martin, just that he followed him. martin walked zimmerman walked, martin ran and hid, zimmerman went looking for him.
It was never zimmermans intention to apprehend the person, only to maintain a visual line of site as to his whereabouts. If martin has simply kept his pace and path, zimmerman would have followed at a safe (for both of them) distance.
Your view that zimmernam wanted a confrontation is unfounded.
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martin had no idea who he was and whst his intention was. If you feel someone intends to harm you, would you just let them keep following you? Lead them back to your home? I wouldn't. Hell, just this week, my wife felt like the car behind us was following us and told me to drive past our street just to be safe. He turned off soon after, but we certainly were not going to lead someone that may have intended to harm us right to our home.

Years ago in my days of youth, a similar thing happened. My friend looked out the car window and made eye contact with a group of kids that looked none too hsppy. They began to follow us. He made sure we did not head back to his house until we lost them. And they were definitely following us.

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#88406
Jul 17, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
You mean....
throw the first punch
slam his head into the concrete a few times so he is seeing stars
lean over him and tell him he is going to die.
and then wonder why he pulls a gun and shoots you.
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first he asked what the f is your problem.

Seems to jibe with my interpretation of the events. I ran from this dude and he's still following me and trying to find me. He feared for his safety and stood his ground. Only he didn't use a gun.

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Not your most intelligent statement.
And like Toj, we are all glad you were not on the jury either.

If he wanted to hunt black kids, he would move to chicago and not pace around his development waiting for them to wander into his path.
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Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.

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Jul 17, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.
i won't go that far. I don't yhink he went out there with the intention of killing or shooting him. But he created the situation that led to it. As Race said, watch people are supposed to observe and repiort. Once he got out of his car, he was no longer simply observing.

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#88409
Jul 17, 2013
 
I do think zimmerman was profiling, and as much as that's a hot button issue, i have no problem with that. If the majority of the crime in that community was being committed by black youths, it only makes sense to be suspicious of some black kid walking yhru the neighbor hood st night. But once he tried to play cop he lost me. Call the cops and stay back.

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Well, martin did have a cell phone right? He was using it to talk to his girlfriend while he was being followed right? Did he think to call the cops? Tell his girlfriend to call the cops? NO he did not. Why would a kid afraid of someone following him not call the cops? Answer: Cause he was not afraid. He was gonna kick a craka's ass is what he was thinking, no fear at all, so why call the cops?

These arguments are devolving into the world of make believe.
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<quoted text>martin had no idea who he was and whst his intention was. If you feel someone intends to harm you, would you just let them keep following you? Lead them back to your home? I wouldn't. Hell, just this week, my wife felt like the car behind us was following us and told me to drive past our street just to be safe. He turned off soon after, but we certainly were not going to lead someone that may have intended to harm us right to our home.
Years ago in my days of youth, a similar thing happened. My friend looked out the car window and made eye contact with a group of kids that looked none too hsppy. They began to follow us. He made sure we did not head back to his house until we lost them. And they were definitely following us.

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#88411
Jul 17, 2013
 
Sorry, dont have a transcript of convo.
What was Z's response?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>first he asked what the f is your problem.
Seems to jibe with my interpretation of the events. I ran from this dude and he's still following me and trying to find me. He feared for his safety and stood his ground. Only he didn't use a gun.

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#88412
Jul 17, 2013
 
The police report that at least three other times, he'd reported the presence of a black person on his neighborhood and was told to back off. The guy is a racist. Too bad he gets his gun back.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
I do think zimmerman was profiling, and as much as that's a hot button issue, i have no problem with that. If the majority of the crime in that community was being committed by black youths, it only makes sense to be suspicious of some black kid walking yhru the neighbor hood st night. But once he tried to play cop he lost me. Call the cops and stay back.
Yup. He disobeyed the cops. Thought he knew better. Sounds like a wannabe cop.

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You are prejudiced! The guy did what he was taught to do, but because he called the cops he is a racist.

I would rather live next to the guy who calls the cops and is labeled a racist then the guy who wont because he is afraid of being labeled as one.
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The police report that at least three other times, he'd reported the presence of a black person on his neighborhood and was told to back off. The guy is a racist. Too bad he gets his gun back.

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No, sounds like someone who does not want a possible theif with a parole violation to elude capture.
Just trying to make sure if the guy is a crook, he goes to jail.

Gee, what an asshat he is for wanting that.

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Yup. He disobeyed the cops. Thought he knew better. Sounds like a wannabe cop.

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You know this how? Did he tell you? did he confess to this?
Quit stating your opinion as fact, its really does nothing but show your own prejudice towards him.

If its your opinion, then state is as such and quit trying to prove you know more than the jurors who found him innocent of the crime and prejudice you are accusing him of.
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Thought he knew better.

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RACE wrote:
You know this how? Did he tell you? did he confess to this?
Quit stating your opinion as fact, its really does nothing but show your own prejudice towards him.
If its your opinion, then state is as such and quit trying to prove you know more than the jurors who found him innocent of the crime and prejudice you are accusing him of.
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i have no problem with the jurors. I have a problem with the way the law is written

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And as far as callin the cops because of black people in his neighborhood, BFD.
I can honestly say that I will call the cops 100 out of 100 times that I see a black guy wandering my neighborhood.
I have 3 black neighbors, and I know them, any other black people are simply not residents and have no business wandering around. So label me a racist too, but...
I will also call the cops 100 out ot 100 times when I see a white person I dont know wandering my neighborhood.

As a side note, I saw a woman riding a bike around the neighborhood, and she obviously knew I was scoping her out
(looked like a crazy white cat lady). Anyway, when she rode past me she made a point of saying hello, my name is veronica snd I live a couple of streets over.

I have done the same when I drive thru the roads that I do not live directly off of. I get profiled too by my neighbors who dont know me, and I respect that.
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The police report that at least three other times, he'd reported the presence of a black person on his neighborhood and was told to back off. The guy is a racist. Too bad he gets his gun back.

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#88420
Jul 17, 2013
 
Team Tonka in this argument. My initial impression of Zimmerman was that of Red's, but I followed the trial. Can't say I'd have voted any differently, though I was hoping for at least manslaughter.

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Jul 17, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
And as far as callin the cops because of black people in his neighborhood, BFD.
I can honestly say that I will call the cops 100 out of 100 times that I see a black guy wandering my neighborhood.
I have 3 black neighbors, and I know them, any other black people are simply not residents and have no business wandering around. So label me a racist too, but...
I will also call the cops 100 out ot 100 times when I see a white person I dont know wandering my neighborhood.
As a side note, I saw a woman riding a bike around the neighborhood, and she obviously knew I was scoping her out
(looked like a crazy white cat lady). Anyway, when she rode past me she made a point of saying hello, my name is veronica snd I live a couple of streets over.
I have done the same when I drive thru the roads that I do not live directly off of. I get profiled too by my neighbors who dont know me, and I respect that.
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Of course she came by and said hi. She saw your gun on your waist and was afraid you'd run her down and shoot her since you didn't know her!

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#88423
Jul 17, 2013
 
What law is that? The one that says you can defend yourself when your jumped?
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<quoted text> i have no problem with the jurors. I have a problem with the way the law is written

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#88424
Jul 17, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
What law is that? The one that says you can defend yourself when your jumped?
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The part that allows you to create/escalate a confrontation then run to your gun when you get scared.

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