“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

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#88423 Jul 17, 2013
What law is that? The one that says you can defend yourself when your jumped?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> i have no problem with the jurors. I have a problem with the way the law is written

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#88424 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
What law is that? The one that says you can defend yourself when your jumped?
<quoted text>
The part that allows you to create/escalate a confrontation then run to your gun when you get scared.

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#88425 Jul 17, 2013
yeah, being blind sided, cold cocked and having your head slammed into the road can certainly make you scared. What a wuss huh?

Paint me a coward too when that happens.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>The part that allows you to create/escalate a confrontation then run to your gun when you get scared.

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#88426 Jul 17, 2013
and FWIW, i think Z would have done the same thing if he was not carrying. I also think that martin would have killed him in that situation.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>The part that allows you to create/escalate a confrontation then run to your gun when you get scared.

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Since: Sep 09

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#88427 Jul 17, 2013
The thing that got me was, Zimmerman said, in the 911 call, that Martin was in and out of yards and walking super slow even though it was raining. IDGAF if you're the pope, stay on the sidewalk. People poking through my neighbors' yards are going to get my attention.

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#88428 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
yeah, being blind sided, cold cocked and having your head slammed into the road can certainly make you scared. What a wuss huh?
Paint me a coward too when that happens.
<quoted text>
You go ahead and keep thinking his actions before that moment don't matter. I'll go ahead and keep thinking they do.

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#88429 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
and FWIW, i think Z would have done the same thing if he was not carrying. I also think that martin would have killed him in that situation.
<quoted text>
Now who's making shit up? You think he would have killed him? That's funny.

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#88430 Jul 17, 2013
Holy sheit! Just saw that putrid sharpton on tv. Talk about an aids infected MF'r....I never knew he was a gay man. Well, good for him, no sorrow from me, I only wish more of the same on him.

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#88431 Jul 17, 2013
When somebody is on top of you and beating you up, and then they say they are going to kill you.....Why would you not believe that?
What do you find so funny about that?

You spout about Z backing off, well, what about M? He had the chances to back off also, but he did not.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Now who's making shit up? You think he would have killed him? That's funny.

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#88432 Jul 17, 2013
and Tonka... If some dude is beating the crap out of you and he says your gonna die....Believe he means it. He aint gonna suddenly grab your hand and say "Dude! I was just F*k with ya!"

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#88433 Jul 17, 2013
So you admit you were applying your own bias?'cmone man up dude.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Now who's making shit up? You think he would have killed him? That's funny.

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#88434 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
what about M? He had the chances to back off also, but he did not.
<quoted text>
WTF are you talking about? HE RAN AWAY! He only attacked when Zimmerman continued to come after him. This dude he does not know. This dude who he has no idea what his intentions were. If running away is not backing down then I don't know what is.

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#88435 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
So you admit you were applying your own bias?'cmone man up dude.
<quoted text>
Whatever dude. Your bias is for the vigilante trying to play cop against the directives of the cops. I see the bigger picture of a guy trying to get away from the dude following him. Hiding from him. Running from him. Trying to avoid him. Then finally taking the offense when its apparent the dude is not giving up.

Lets put you in his shoes. You are walking thru a neighborhood you don't live in. You don't have your trusty weapon with you. You turn around and see some black dude in an SUV slowly tailing you. You run and he gives chase. You are full of shit if you tell me you would not be worried about why this dude is chasing you.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

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Neda, stay with me!

#88436 Jul 17, 2013
HA! NO, I would have unleashed my attack husky (who would have promptly found the nearest patch of dog urine and started licking it) to chase her down, and then jacked her up (once I caught up with a person riding a bike). I would then have called the cops to arrest her, and the paramedics to supply me with oxygen.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> Of course she came by and said hi. She saw your gun on your waist and was afraid you'd run her down and shoot her since you didn't know her!
:)

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#88437 Jul 17, 2013
Dont be dense Tonka, I am speaking after the knocked Z on his ass. After he slammed his head into the dirt, and maybe even after he looked into Z's eyes and told him he was gonna die.

Thats 3 times, so dont WTF me about it.

And FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME!!!! z FOLLOWED HIM, HE DID NOT ATTACK HIM. Again, quit trying to make it like Z broke some law! He did not M broke the law when he attacked Z.
Thats the facts jack. Like it or not.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>WTF are you talking about? HE RAN AWAY! He only attacked when Zimmerman continued to come after him. This dude he does not know. This dude who he has no idea what his intentions were. If running away is not backing down then I don't know what is.

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#88438 Jul 17, 2013
No, my support (not bias because I am not interjecting anything but the facts) is towards the person accused (and later aquited) of a crime he did not commit.
Your big picture overlooks(conveniently) all the small details...
M attacked Z
M told Z he was going to kill him
M never called for cops because he was never afraid of Z even though he had the time (over 4 minutes)
M should never have been in that neighborhood to begin with (not relevent from a legal standpoint, but if he was not kicked out of school, he would not have been shipped off to whereever.)

and lets not forget M's colourful police record, which also has no legal bearing, but does speak volumes about the character of the person in question.

Sorry tonks, this was not a kid walking home from sunday school.
dont try to paint it like it was.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever dude. Your bias is for the vigilante trying to play cop against the directives of the cops. I see the bigger picture of a guy trying to get away from the dude following him. Hiding from him. Running from him. Trying to avoid him. Then finally taking the offense when its apparent the dude is not giving up.
Lets put you in his shoes. You are walking thru a neighborhood you don't live in. You don't have your trusty weapon with you. You turn around and see some black dude in an SUV slowly tailing you. You run and he gives chase. You are full of shit if you tell me you would not be worried about why this dude is chasing you.

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#88439 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
after he looked into Z's eyes and told him he was gonna die.
According to the guy who just killed him.

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#88440 Jul 17, 2013
and good night!

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#88441 Jul 17, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
The thing that got me was, Zimmerman said, in the 911 call, that Martin was in and out of yards and walking super slow even though it was raining. IDGAF if you're the pope, stay on the sidewalk. People poking through my neighbors' yards are going to get my attention.
He had only been staying up there a week or so when this happened. It was dark and raining. I haven't seen photos of the development itself, but if all the units look alike, it is plausible he was trying to figure out which was the right house.(I am am projecting. My brother lives in a nice, but cookie cutter development and after 24 years I still have to look carefully for landmarks to know which is his corner.)

Z had the gun. I didn't hear that M pulled the gun out of Z's holster, waist band, pocket wherever.There was no forensic proof that M grabbed or touched the gun. I also haven't heard that it was an accidental discharge. From that I conclude that Z drew the gun. once he drew the gun, as far as I see it, because M never got the gun, Z became responsible for what happened. Without a weapon this would have been 2 guys pounding the sh*t out of each other in the rain and would never had even made local news.

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#88442 Jul 17, 2013
Speaking from a purely physical standpoint, having someone's head repeatedly pounded into the portland could have easily resulted in a subdural hematoma.
It is the rapid acceleration and deceleration of the brain within the cranium that turns it into mush, very similar to shaken baby syndrome, is my understanding.

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