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“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88393 Jul 17, 2013
Pure speculation on your part Tonka. I am surprised you would insert your own bias into this, you are usually much more factual.

I say he followed martin so that he could give a positive location as to martins whereabouts when the police arrived. Remember that little factiod? He called the cops, he wanted them to question martin and discern his intentions.
If zimmerman wanted to be all Dirty Harry, I think he would have just skipped over the whole bother of calling the police, dont you think?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> He went looking for a confrontation ...

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Since: Dec 08

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#88394 Jul 17, 2013
And to be clear on my position, I don't care what race either of them are. I first read this story in the day or so after it happened before it blew up. The initial report did not list names, races, or ages and was short on detsils. My initial assumption was some old 'you will respect my authority' type and some white kid who was not answering his questions or respecting his authority.

As for 'stand your ground', I'm all for it...except when the one standing his ground instigated the confrontation.

Since: Oct 12

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#88395 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
here's a question.
Since zimmerman has a white father, they came up with this new term "White Hispanic" to describe him, so is obamma a "White Black"? Or maybe he's a "Black White"?
What's wrong with...Mister President, at least for the next three years?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#88396 Jul 17, 2013
See what happens when people try to prevent crime in their neighborhoods!?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88397 Jul 17, 2013
Well, since zimmerman is called Mr, Zimmerman a white hispanic....
I think obamma should be granted the same
Mr. Obamma a white black....

Fair is fair after all.

And even if zimmerman had a doctorate, he would still be called Dr, Zimmerman a white hispanic.

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Since: Dec 08

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#88398 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
No, you can be as big an asshat as you want to be as long as you are not physical.
Apparently so, but I don't agree with that. I don't subscribe to the idea that you can instigate an altercation and then run to your gun and say you were scared. If you're so scared, back the f off.
RACE wrote:
Some guy mouths off to you in a bar, you throw the punch, who gets arrested?
ok, you dont throw the punch, instead you walk away and the guy follows you so you hide in the bushes and then jump him and deck him when he gets close. Who gets arrested?
Don' t be so sure about that. This guy walked away. Guy followed him out the bar. The guy who walked away threw the only punch and the other dude got arrested.

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Since: Dec 08

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#88399 Jul 17, 2013
Oh, and as far as martin hiding in wait, I see it differntly. Some dude he does not know is slowly followng him down the street. He does not know why. He does not know why. The dude's not a cop or security guard. He's worried for his own safety. So instead of turning and confronting this unknown guy with unknown intentions, he runs away. He thinks he's safe, but the dude shows up again. Only now, the dude is not in his car. He' s out on foot looking for him. Hiding in the bushes is not gonna work since his dudecis out looking thru the bushes really trying to find him. He could try running again, but this dude has shown he's not giving up. New stategy. Throw the first punch with the element of surprise.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88400 Jul 17, 2013
How about this strategy...
make your way back to the apt your staying in, maintaining a 20ft distance between yourself and the person following you. It was never stated that zimmerman was trying to close the gap or apprehend martin, just that he followed him. martin walked zimmerman walked, martin ran and hid, zimmerman went looking for him.

It was never zimmermans intention to apprehend the person, only to maintain a visual line of site as to his whereabouts. If martin has simply kept his pace and path, zimmerman would have followed at a safe (for both of them) distance.

Your view that zimmernam wanted a confrontation is unfounded.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Oh, and as far as martin hiding in wait, I see it differntly. Some dude he does not know is slowly followng him down the street. He does not know why. He does not know why. The dude's not a cop or security guard. He's worried for his own safety. So instead of turning and confronting this unknown guy with unknown intentions, he runs away. He thinks he's safe, but the dude shows up again. Only now, the dude is not in his car. He' s out on foot looking for him. Hiding in the bushes is not gonna work since his dudecis out looking thru the bushes really trying to find him. He could try running again, but this dude has shown he's not giving up. New stategy. Throw the first punch with the element of surprise.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88401 Jul 17, 2013
How can you back the F* off when your are blind sided and having your head caved in?

Again, you cant arbitrarily say zimmerman wanted a fight, HE DID NOT! He just wanted to keep the guy in his sights. Thats not being a wannabe cop, or clint eastwood. Its just a guy that is tired of seeing his neighbors and himself ripped off by punks. He wanted the cops to do their job, and he wanted to help in anyway he could. LEGALLY!

Again with your personal bias.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently so, but I don't agree with that. I don't subscribe to the idea that you can instigate an altercation and then run to your gun and say you were scared. If you're so scared, back the f off.
<quoted text>

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88403 Jul 17, 2013
You mean....
throw the first punch
slam his head into the concrete a few times so he is seeing stars
lean over him and tell him he is going to die.

and then wonder why he pulls a gun and shoots you.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Throw the first punch with the element of surprise.

Since: Jan 10

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#88404 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
How about this strategy...
make your way back to the apt your staying in, maintaining a 20ft distance between yourself and the person following you. It was never stated that zimmerman was trying to close the gap or apprehend martin, just that he followed him. martin walked zimmerman walked, martin ran and hid, zimmerman went looking for him.
It was never zimmermans intention to apprehend the person, only to maintain a visual line of site as to his whereabouts. If martin has simply kept his pace and path, zimmerman would have followed at a safe (for both of them) distance.
Your view that zimmernam wanted a confrontation is unfounded.
<quoted text>
Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#88405 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
How about this strategy...
make your way back to the apt your staying in, maintaining a 20ft distance between yourself and the person following you. It was never stated that zimmerman was trying to close the gap or apprehend martin, just that he followed him. martin walked zimmerman walked, martin ran and hid, zimmerman went looking for him.
It was never zimmermans intention to apprehend the person, only to maintain a visual line of site as to his whereabouts. If martin has simply kept his pace and path, zimmerman would have followed at a safe (for both of them) distance.
Your view that zimmernam wanted a confrontation is unfounded.
<quoted text>
martin had no idea who he was and whst his intention was. If you feel someone intends to harm you, would you just let them keep following you? Lead them back to your home? I wouldn't. Hell, just this week, my wife felt like the car behind us was following us and told me to drive past our street just to be safe. He turned off soon after, but we certainly were not going to lead someone that may have intended to harm us right to our home.

Years ago in my days of youth, a similar thing happened. My friend looked out the car window and made eye contact with a group of kids that looked none too hsppy. They began to follow us. He made sure we did not head back to his house until we lost them. And they were definitely following us.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#88406 Jul 17, 2013
RACE wrote:
You mean....
throw the first punch
slam his head into the concrete a few times so he is seeing stars
lean over him and tell him he is going to die.
and then wonder why he pulls a gun and shoots you.
<quoted text>
first he asked what the f is your problem.

Seems to jibe with my interpretation of the events. I ran from this dude and he's still following me and trying to find me. He feared for his safety and stood his ground. Only he didn't use a gun.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88407 Jul 17, 2013
Not your most intelligent statement.
And like Toj, we are all glad you were not on the jury either.

If he wanted to hunt black kids, he would move to chicago and not pace around his development waiting for them to wander into his path.
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.

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Since: Dec 08

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#88408 Jul 17, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman is a pig who was hunting lack kids. Eff him.
i won't go that far. I don't yhink he went out there with the intention of killing or shooting him. But he created the situation that led to it. As Race said, watch people are supposed to observe and repiort. Once he got out of his car, he was no longer simply observing.

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#88409 Jul 17, 2013
I do think zimmerman was profiling, and as much as that's a hot button issue, i have no problem with that. If the majority of the crime in that community was being committed by black youths, it only makes sense to be suspicious of some black kid walking yhru the neighbor hood st night. But once he tried to play cop he lost me. Call the cops and stay back.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88410 Jul 17, 2013
Well, martin did have a cell phone right? He was using it to talk to his girlfriend while he was being followed right? Did he think to call the cops? Tell his girlfriend to call the cops? NO he did not. Why would a kid afraid of someone following him not call the cops? Answer: Cause he was not afraid. He was gonna kick a craka's ass is what he was thinking, no fear at all, so why call the cops?

These arguments are devolving into the world of make believe.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>martin had no idea who he was and whst his intention was. If you feel someone intends to harm you, would you just let them keep following you? Lead them back to your home? I wouldn't. Hell, just this week, my wife felt like the car behind us was following us and told me to drive past our street just to be safe. He turned off soon after, but we certainly were not going to lead someone that may have intended to harm us right to our home.
Years ago in my days of youth, a similar thing happened. My friend looked out the car window and made eye contact with a group of kids that looked none too hsppy. They began to follow us. He made sure we did not head back to his house until we lost them. And they were definitely following us.

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#88411 Jul 17, 2013
Sorry, dont have a transcript of convo.
What was Z's response?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>first he asked what the f is your problem.
Seems to jibe with my interpretation of the events. I ran from this dude and he's still following me and trying to find me. He feared for his safety and stood his ground. Only he didn't use a gun.

Since: Jan 10

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#88412 Jul 17, 2013
The police report that at least three other times, he'd reported the presence of a black person on his neighborhood and was told to back off. The guy is a racist. Too bad he gets his gun back.

Since: Jan 10

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#88413 Jul 17, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
I do think zimmerman was profiling, and as much as that's a hot button issue, i have no problem with that. If the majority of the crime in that community was being committed by black youths, it only makes sense to be suspicious of some black kid walking yhru the neighbor hood st night. But once he tried to play cop he lost me. Call the cops and stay back.
Yup. He disobeyed the cops. Thought he knew better. Sounds like a wannabe cop.

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