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Since: Mar 09

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#85968 May 22, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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The key is to have been underground.
Apparently soil structure does not make it practical to build basements under structures.
An underground shelter does not have to be under another structure.
About 20-30 years ago there was a situation in northern CA where some guys kidnapped a school bus full of kids and drove in into a pre-dug slanted hole and covered it with dirt to hide it.
In OK, you get a front end loader. I assume that rental of some heavy equipment for a couple days digging can be factored into a budget soemwhere without dropping some education program. You did a slanted hole the size of a bus. The twister comes, veryone gets into teh bus which drives into the hole which puts everyone below ground level. Egress is through the back door of the bus when it is all over.
I do not know teh enginnering feasibility , OSHA or FEMA standards etc, but as long as they can dig a hole to put in sewers they could do this. Criminals did it.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_...

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#85969 May 22, 2013
Toj wrote:
Here's a thought I bet would help (maybe).

Everyone is in the mood for helping now b/c of the disaster. Why not set up a fund specifically for building safe rooms?
Or the government can just pass new regulations that make it cost prohibitive to rebuild, like FEMA did after Sandy, so people will have an incentive to move out of areas where natural disasters repeatedly strike.

Since: Oct 12

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#85970 May 22, 2013
I hate to sound cold....but part of me, just does'nt have a lot of patience with those that choose to live in Harm's way....With Sandy, if you select to underinsure and live on the beach...Oh Well......and though i feel awful about all the losses, the Oklahoman's aren't the type to ask for alot of assistance...not at all like Katrina or Sandy.....

Since: Jan 10

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#85971 May 22, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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See that's the thing. Yes, I am as upset as everyone else about people (and kids, even though I don't like them, I do not wish them death) dying, but it WAS an F5. We're only human. Only so much we are able to do against the forces of nature. Shitsgonnahappen, and we have to accept that we can't control everything all of the time.
I read something yesterday (sorry can't remember where, maybe Huff Post) that said a large part of the reason there aren't a whole lot of underground shelters has to do with soil composition and the inability to build structures that won't just fall apart because the soil/bedrock/etc., won't support them in most parts of OK.
My niece told me that they are told to go into the bathroom there too and to get into the bathtub. I guess that *sorta* makes sense since once the building including the bathroom is destroyed you could go for a ride inside the tub? <shrug>
THat's how I feel. Sorry those people died, but that's life. Stuff happens. Grieve, and move on.

Since: Jan 10

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#85972 May 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
I hate to sound cold....but part of me, just does'nt have a lot of patience with those that choose to live in Harm's way....With Sandy, if you select to underinsure and live on the beach...Oh Well......and though i feel awful about all the losses, the Oklahoman's aren't the type to ask for alot of assistance...not at all like Katrina or Sandy.....
The Red RIver is going to flood again (Minnesota/North Dakota). Every freaking year, they spend a minimum of $500K to sandbag to save the same 85 homes. The same homes get flooded year after year and we pay for it.

In Florida, so long as your home is homesteaded, regardless of its value, the government will pay to rebuild.$10M mansion on the water? Hurrican destroyed it? Free home gets build. Way to go.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85973 May 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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Just a bunch of dumb as dirt kids who can't compete on a global scale. We are almost there anyway.
I think it depends upon where you live on how teachers are paid. Around here, in the suburbs, they usually make around $70,000 and that's NOT the top paid.

There probably are, definitely, teachers underpaid and overworked. They are not everywhere, however.

Kids are not as dumb as dirt. Parents also have to help do their part in teaching their kids. Too many parents leave it all up to the teachers and then complain.

Are your kids stupid? No. You teach them things. Part of it is the school system in certain areas. Not all areas, not all kids. Part of it is the parents as well.

I get a little tired of hearing how hard teachers have it b/c I know what they make around here and I know what their hours are. I try to check myself b/c it's not like that everywhere.

I realize in the urban and poorer areas it is much different, however.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85974 May 22, 2013
Found this from CBS Chicago site from 2012:

"A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.

But a Teachers Union attorney said the number provided by CPS doesn’t tell the whole story.

“When you’re looking at compensation, it’s not enough just to look at salary, because Chicago Public Schools teachers have to pay more for their insurance, and they get less of a contribution from the employer for their pension than in other cities,” CTU attorney Robert Bloch said."

Not saying they don't deserve the $76,000. I do, however, feel that is a very good basic salary. That would not include extra pay for teaching summer school or coaching sports.

And that would not be the top paid. I believe those who have master's degrees and doctorates get paid more.

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#85975 May 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
I hate to sound cold....but part of me, just does'nt have a lot of patience with those that choose to live in Harm's way....With Sandy, if you select to underinsure and live on the beach...Oh Well......and though i feel awful about all the losses, the Oklahoman's aren't the type to ask for alot of assistance...not at all like Katrina or Sandy.....
You are an ass. I know I'm getting personal, but right now I'm taking your comment personally because I still drive past the houses that were not in a flood zone but were destroyed by Sandy every day.

The cost of living is probably much lower in OK, too, and the area is less densely populated (I imagine), so the total $ amount to rebuild is significantly higher for Sandy than for this tornado.

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Since: Apr 13

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#85976 May 22, 2013
I'm sorry Blue. I should not have resorted to name calling.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#85977 May 22, 2013
Really? News to me. Then why am I required to have hurricane insurance?
Do you have a link to this gravy train? I will keep it for future reference.
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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In Florida, so long as your home is homesteaded, regardless of its value, the government will pay to rebuild.$10M mansion on the water? Hurrican destroyed it? Free home gets build. Way to go.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#85978 May 22, 2013
Because corruption would siphon the money off, and safe rooms dont work in an F4, and how about the towns affected get volunteers to start digging tornado bunkers at their schools?
Toj wrote:
Here's a thought I bet would help (maybe).
Everyone is in the mood for helping now b/c of the disaster. Why not set up a fund specifically for building safe rooms?

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#85979 May 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>The Red RIver is going to flood again (Minnesota/North Dakota). Every freaking year, they spend a minimum of $500K to sandbag to save the same 85 homes. The same homes get flooded year after year and we pay for it.

In Florida, so long as your home is homesteaded, regardless of its value, the government will pay to rebuild.$10M mansion on the water? Hurrican destroyed it? Free home gets build. Way to go.
The mansions are not being rebuilt around here on the government's dime. Most of that money is going toward replacing public buildings, infrastructure (dunes that prevented worse damage, roads, bridges, etc) and such. Places that had never flooded to this level before are suddenly in FEMA's flood zones and require not just higher insurance but new building requirements (being built higher) to be rebuilt. I am all for relocating people, but we need to have places to relocate them (with jobs) and they have to be willing to move.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#85980 May 22, 2013
for anyone who likes sappy happy stuff
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/20...

Since: Jan 10

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#85981 May 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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The mansions are not being rebuilt around here on the government's dime. Most of that money is going toward replacing public buildings, infrastructure (dunes that prevented worse damage, roads, bridges, etc) and such. Places that had never flooded to this level before are suddenly in FEMA's flood zones and require not just higher insurance but new building requirements (being built higher) to be rebuilt. I am all for relocating people, but we need to have places to relocate them (with jobs) and they have to be willing to move.
? But I didn't say anything about NJ. I know you guys aren't as stupid in your laws as Florida when it comes to coddling multi-millionaires.

Since: Jan 10

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#85982 May 22, 2013
RACE wrote:
Really? News to me. Then why am I required to have hurricane insurance?
Do you have a link to this gravy train? I will keep it for future reference.
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60 Minutes did a huge story on this several years ago. Cited statutes, interviewed lawmakers who defended it, interviewed the people who are opposed to it because it drains the state's coffers, etc.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#85983 May 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
For year's i have watched every other day's weather forecast and they say chance of tornadoes for N. Texas and Oklahoma.....I would go, and likely far away.....Wonder if anyone knows of a location, in America...where no natural disasters ever happen........?
my earth sciences teacher in HS went through this... by now, i forget what her conclusion was, but i think upper midwest was her preference... no wild fires like in the arid south/southwest, weather not quite as extreme as in teh plains (tornadoes, hail, thunder storms), no coastal storms/hurricanes. yes, we get rain, snow and flooded rivers here, but they aren't as often or as extreme as what happens in the upper plains (blizzards) and our rivers closer to the Great Lakes haven't taken out the towns along them every 25 years with annual floods that close them in between...

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Since: Apr 13

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#85984 May 22, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I think it depends upon where you live on how teachers are paid. Around here, in the suburbs, they usually make around $70,000 and that's NOT the top paid.

There probably are, definitely, teachers underpaid and overworked. They are not everywhere, however.

Kids are not as dumb as dirt. Parents also have to help do their part in teaching their kids. Too many parents leave it all up to the teachers and then complain.

Are your kids stupid? No. You teach them things. Part of it is the school system in certain areas. Not all areas, not all kids. Part of it is the parents as well.

I get a little tired of hearing how hard teachers have it b/c I know what they make around here and I know what their hours are. I try to check myself b/c it's not like that everywhere.

I realize in the urban and poorer areas it is much different, however.
I am talking in general - have you looked at where our children perform compared to those of other 1st world countries? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

We keep cutting programs out of our budget because the money has to be allocated to building maintenance or security. Teachers have to spend time teaching kids how to pass tests instead of teaching them how to learn (and around here much of that is the fault of the parents who want immediate metrics, instead if building a solid foundation).

Our school is having a celebratory night in a couple weeks to show off that their first graders are now proficient at reading and give them all library cards (if they don't already have them). Parents should have had their children reading last year and should be taking them to the public library regularly, by they make up excuses.

Teachers shouldn't have to do parents' jobs, but they do because parents are too busy or find it easier to abdicate their responsibilities.

My kids are smart and the Principal doesn't know what to do with my first grader. He has been spending half of the day in the second grade class taking math, reading and writing and he still gets no lower than 98% on his assignments. We'll see what happens next year. I had to fight for a year and a half for the school to challenge him and most parents around here have told me that they would have given up after so many "No"s. People settle.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#85985 May 22, 2013
Toj wrote:
Found this from CBS Chicago site from 2012:
"A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.
But a Teachers Union attorney said the number provided by CPS doesn’t tell the whole story.
“When you’re looking at compensation, it’s not enough just to look at salary, because Chicago Public Schools teachers have to pay more for their insurance, and they get less of a contribution from the employer for their pension than in other cities,” CTU attorney Robert Bloch said."
Not saying they don't deserve the $76,000. I do, however, feel that is a very good basic salary. That would not include extra pay for teaching summer school or coaching sports.
And that would not be the top paid. I believe those who have master's degrees and doctorates get paid more.
I have worked a number of places in my career. I have higher degrees.In fewer than 50% has my employer contributed to my 401(k). I don't get a defined beenfit pension. My fretirement is based on what I put it with sme extra from teh boss occasionally.

However, teachers in Chicago do not pay Social Security, so they don't get SS Retirement which I will get.

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Since: Apr 13

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#85986 May 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>? But I didn't say anything about NJ. I know you guys aren't as stupid in your laws as Florida when it comes to coddling multi-millionaires.
I was adding on to your comment, since I was still fired up from Blue's comment.

I am grouchy today. Don't know why.

Since: Jan 10

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#85987 May 22, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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I was adding on to your comment, since I was still fired up from Blue's comment.
I am grouchy today. Don't know why.
Gotcha. Feel free to be grouchy.

I had to defend your people to my judgey coworker today who thinks you're all just a bunch of whiners (you Hurrican Sandy people) getting your vacation homes rebuilt on tax dollar money.

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