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The tornadoes are just god's punishment for Oklahoma being the first state in the country to offer fully-funded all-day preschool for everybody.

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How do you know this? Do the other schools have tornado bunkers? What if nobody ever even considered tornado's when designing/ planning the school?
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Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.

C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.

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So my niece has a cousin, his gf and their 2 kids missing in the tornado in Oklahoma. They aren't related to me, but still...
Sorry to hear that. That whole area -- horrible what happened to everyone there.

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Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.

He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.

So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.

We both think he dodged a bullet.

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Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.
He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.
So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.
We both think he dodged a bullet.
He probably did dodge a bullet.

However, I would never ask about vacation and/or sick time in an interview. Core work hours -- yes so you know about transportation. Insurance plans I would not bring up until the final interview after they ask me if I accept the job and then I would ask about sick/vacation and whatnot. If I needed time to compare that kind of stuff once I had knowledge, I would tell them I wanted to sleep on it overnight.

It's something I learned many years ago.

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PEllen wrote:
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Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.
C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.
I have to agree with you PEllen. They knew. Also, you CAN build a saferoom after a building is already up. People do build them after the fact.

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May 21, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
I dont think they make a building that can withstand an F4 or stronger tornado. I do think that schools (and homes/businesses) should be built with an underground bunker that has multiple exit routes.
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True I guess. I do think they need some sort of underground safe place to go. It's freaking Oklahoma. Tornados are NOT a rare thing there.

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May 21, 2013
 
I'm not saying they should not have had the forsight, I am just wondering where your getting the idea that it was intentionally left out?
Besides common sense, are there no state regs involving tornado's? If not, why not? I think if you want to lay blame for the children dying, there is plenty of blame to go around.

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Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.
C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.

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If you put a group of 15 - 18 year old high school girls together, some would obviously stand out as the oldest and youngest, but most of them would be pretty indistinguishable from each other.
So? Should that negate the age of consent?

And should we encourage or discourage fifteen year olds being sexually active?

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May 21, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.
He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.
So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.
We both think he dodged a bullet.
I agree.

Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.

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I have been on interviews where I was asked if I had any questions about those things. I always replied that if I was offered the job, it would be then, that I would ask.
If your not gonna offer me the job, I could give a rats ass about your bennies.
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I agree.
Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.

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j_m_w wrote:
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I agree.
Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.
If they are being hardcore like that I would not want to work there either. Can you imagine asking about a bonus or overtime?!

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RACE wrote:
I'm not saying they should not have had the forsight, I am just wondering where your getting the idea that it was intentionally left out?
Besides common sense, are there no state regs involving tornado's? If not, why not? I think if you want to lay blame for the children dying, there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Do you need a government regulation to tel you something that is obvious, meaning that tornados hit OK and in a public building you need a safe space? OK is a place that doesn't like Big Gov't. Seems like they need it. The school was bult 57 years ago at the height of teh Cold War. Bet they had fallout shelter signs, you know , for those Ruski bombs that fell every 10 years or so.

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The tornadoes are just god's punishment for Oklahoma being the first state in the country to offer fully-funded all-day preschool for everybody.
My Grandmother actually said this morning that God must be mad at us because there have been so many natural disasters recently. She wasn't joking. I wanted to throw the phone an don't know why I bothered explaining that she just hears more about them because of the 24 hour media.

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I wish they'd stop trying to vilify Apple over taxes and instead use that energy to find ways to close the loopholes.

If it's there, Apple (and every company) has a duty to it's shareholders to take advantage of everything they are entitled to/can legally take advantage.

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ScarletandOlive wrote:
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My Grandmother actually said this morning that God must be mad at us because there have been so many natural disasters recently. She wasn't joking. I wanted to throw the phone an don't know why I bothered explaining that she just hears more about them because of the 24 hour media.
*sigh*

Yeah, or it's tornado season in tornado alley.

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Well, if it aint in the specs, and there is no requirement for one and the contract goes to the lowest bidder, who is it exactly that decided not to require one?

You want to blame someone, but the truth is you need to blame everyone.

I have yet to hear any talk of mandating that future schools have them, or of building bunkers at existing ones, so who's fault is that? Who is overlooking the obvious...Everyone that who.

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<quoted text>Do you need a government regulation to tel you something that is obvious, meaning that tornados hit OK and in a public building you need a safe space? OK is a place that doesn't like Big Gov't. Seems like they need it. The school was bult 57 years ago at the height of teh Cold War. Bet they had fallout shelter signs, you know , for those Ruski bombs that fell every 10 years or so.

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RACE wrote:
Well, if it aint in the specs, and there is no requirement for one and the contract goes to the lowest bidder, who is it exactly that decided not to require one?
You want to blame someone, but the truth is you need to blame everyone.
I have yet to hear any talk of mandating that future schools have them, or of building bunkers at existing ones, so who's fault is that? Who is overlooking the obvious...Everyone that who.
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Well, if you ask me I think the building inspector should have raised a red flag to the city council.

It comes down to the city council not planning.

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May 21, 2013
 
Interseting article about shelters in Oklahoma and the reason there isn't more:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive...

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May 21, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
<quoted text>Well, if it aint in the specs, and there is no requirement for one and the contract goes to the lowest bidder, who is it exactly that decided not to require one?

You want to blame someone, but the truth is you need to blame everyone.

I have yet to hear any talk of mandating that future schools have them, or of building bunkers at existing ones, so who's fault is that? Who is overlooking the obvious...Everyone that who.
We are also assuming unlimited funds. All of the "safe rooms" that are currently being put into elementary schools in tornado alley are using federal grants for $1 million or so.

Students at this one school died because it was directly in the path of the tornado. The entire school was leveled and the basement flooded. It is amazing that the death toll is as low as it is.

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