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#85895 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
I dont think they make a building that can withstand an F4 or stronger tornado. I do think that schools (and homes/businesses) should be built with an underground bunker that has multiple exit routes.
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ITA.

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#85896 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know this? Do the other schools have tornado bunkers? What if nobody ever even considered tornado's when designing/ planning the school?
From what I can find, the school was built 57 years ago.

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#85897 May 21, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Did you miss the part where the other girl was FIFTEEN?
Yup. And not all 15yos are the same. I was sexually active at 15 (but not yet having actual intercourse). I had a healthy attitude about it and a loving boyfriend who never pushed me to do anything.

Since: Jan 10

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#85898 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
How do you know this? Do the other schools have tornado bunkers? What if nobody ever even considered tornado's when designing/ planning the school?
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If they didn't consider it, they shouldn't be in the job of designing and planning. Being in that field myself, there is NO excuse. When we are designing buildings and complex campus projects, we take into account the freeze line (so we now how far down stuff should be buried), amount of sunshine that location gets (so we know whether solar panels will make sense), lightning strikes per year (so we know whether to do lightning protection), the electrical conductivity of the soil (which takes a toll on metal objects), etc.

To not take into account that they live in Tornado Alley was malpractice.

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#85899 May 21, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>Did you miss the part where the other girl was FIFTEEN?

If you put a group of 15 - 18 year old high school girls together, some would obviously stand out as the oldest and youngest, but most of them would be pretty indistinguishable from each other.

Since: Jan 10

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#85900 May 21, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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The big controversy around here is that the Senators and Congressmen from OK voted against federal aid for Hurricane Sandy relief or drastically reduced relief. The local media is making a big deal about that and a lot of people are reconsidering their desire to help. I think that is the wrong approach - if anything, we should be showing how generous we can be because we understand what the people are going through better than the politicians.
Oklahoma is the most conservative state in the union, so it doesn't surprise me that they were opposed to federal dollars going to the East Coast for hurricane relief... but then they shouldn't ACCEPT federal dollars, either.

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#85901 May 21, 2013
The tornadoes are just god's punishment for Oklahoma being the first state in the country to offer fully-funded all-day preschool for everybody.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#85902 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
How do you know this? Do the other schools have tornado bunkers? What if nobody ever even considered tornado's when designing/ planning the school?
<quoted text>
Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.

C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85903 May 21, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
So my niece has a cousin, his gf and their 2 kids missing in the tornado in Oklahoma. They aren't related to me, but still...
Sorry to hear that. That whole area -- horrible what happened to everyone there.

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#85904 May 21, 2013
Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.

He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.

So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.

We both think he dodged a bullet.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85905 May 21, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.
He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.
So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.
We both think he dodged a bullet.
He probably did dodge a bullet.

However, I would never ask about vacation and/or sick time in an interview. Core work hours -- yes so you know about transportation. Insurance plans I would not bring up until the final interview after they ask me if I accept the job and then I would ask about sick/vacation and whatnot. If I needed time to compare that kind of stuff once I had knowledge, I would tell them I wanted to sleep on it overnight.

It's something I learned many years ago.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85906 May 21, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.
C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.
I have to agree with you PEllen. They knew. Also, you CAN build a saferoom after a building is already up. People do build them after the fact.

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Since: Mar 09

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#85907 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
I dont think they make a building that can withstand an F4 or stronger tornado. I do think that schools (and homes/businesses) should be built with an underground bunker that has multiple exit routes.
<quoted text>
True I guess. I do think they need some sort of underground safe place to go. It's freaking Oklahoma. Tornados are NOT a rare thing there.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#85908 May 21, 2013
I'm not saying they should not have had the forsight, I am just wondering where your getting the idea that it was intentionally left out?
Besides common sense, are there no state regs involving tornado's? If not, why not? I think if you want to lay blame for the children dying, there is plenty of blame to go around.

PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. Like Oklahoma never had tornados in this area before 1955.
C'mon Race- the need for an underground storm shelter in a tornado prone area was a cultural meme when the Wizard of Oz movie came out.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#85909 May 21, 2013
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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If you put a group of 15 - 18 year old high school girls together, some would obviously stand out as the oldest and youngest, but most of them would be pretty indistinguishable from each other.
So? Should that negate the age of consent?

And should we encourage or discourage fifteen year olds being sexually active?

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#85910 May 21, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Friend/former coworker asked me to be a reference for a job he's interviewing for. Sure, no problem. Glad to do it.
He emailed me today. He didn't get it, despite being very qualified, a hard worker, and got through the first round of interviews. In the second round, he apparently asked for some info re: their benefits package, and for each aspect (vacation time, sick time, health insurance, dental insurance, core work hours, etc.), he was told "It's flexible." Nothing concrete.
So after the second interview, he interviewed the HR person he'd met with to ask for some info, and he was told that he was not going to be hired b/c he was more interested in his own personal financial gain than in the actual job and doing the work.
We both think he dodged a bullet.
I agree.

Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#85911 May 21, 2013
I have been on interviews where I was asked if I had any questions about those things. I always replied that if I was offered the job, it would be then, that I would ask.
If your not gonna offer me the job, I could give a rats ass about your bennies.
j_m_w wrote:
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I agree.
Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#85912 May 21, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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I agree.
Toj makes a good point, but you said he asked in the SECOND interview, not the first - I think that makes a big difference. Their answer is also very sketchy; I can see how maybe hours and PTO could be "flexible" but they couldn't answer his questions about insurance coverage? That's not something that CAN be flexible, you either have a plan or you don't. And if they do it some other way and reimburse people for out of pocket costs or something, they're walking a fine line of illegal and you wouldn't want to work there anyway.
If they are being hardcore like that I would not want to work there either. Can you imagine asking about a bonus or overtime?!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#85913 May 21, 2013
RACE wrote:
I'm not saying they should not have had the forsight, I am just wondering where your getting the idea that it was intentionally left out?
Besides common sense, are there no state regs involving tornado's? If not, why not? I think if you want to lay blame for the children dying, there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Do you need a government regulation to tel you something that is obvious, meaning that tornados hit OK and in a public building you need a safe space? OK is a place that doesn't like Big Gov't. Seems like they need it. The school was bult 57 years ago at the height of teh Cold War. Bet they had fallout shelter signs, you know , for those Ruski bombs that fell every 10 years or so.

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Since: Apr 13

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#85914 May 21, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
The tornadoes are just god's punishment for Oklahoma being the first state in the country to offer fully-funded all-day preschool for everybody.
My Grandmother actually said this morning that God must be mad at us because there have been so many natural disasters recently. She wasn't joking. I wanted to throw the phone an don't know why I bothered explaining that she just hears more about them because of the 24 hour media.

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