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“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#85636 May 14, 2013
Lets try that 1st link again:
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/dream-tou...

“Checks and Balances”

Since: Apr 13

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#85637 May 14, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps they are ot fact checking and verifying, but here's the local ABC affiliate in Orlando reporting the story(citing the NY Post):http://www.google.com/ur l?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es rc=s&frm=1&source=web &cd=6&cad=rja&ved= 0CEwQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.wftv.com%2Fnews%2Fnews%2F local%2Fdream-tours-florida-al legedly-uses-disabled-tour-g%2 FnXrFJ%2F&ei=7wCTUdP9O42a9 QTnuYGwAg&usg=AFQjCNEDH2U8 UqNhiukSVSSCrac3HmcrsA&sig 2=RLudsTV0tXlApb0roLD3bg&b vm=bv.46471029,d.eWU

Same with the local CBS affiliate:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/parents-hiri...
This was a big story on the news here this morning. I do find it curious that very news story cites the New York Post article as their main source. Usually by now they are able to independently verify. I could not find one report online that did not mention the New York Post.

I promise not to go into another tirade about the decline of our media/news sources.

Since: Jan 10

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#85638 May 15, 2013
""It doesn't teach your kids to treat disabled people with respect,"

Replace "respect" with "favoritism" and it's more accurate. Am I fine with showing handicapped kids some favoritism at Disney? Sure. But let's call it what it is: Favoritism. It has nothing to do with respect.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#85639 May 15, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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I disagree with you and agree with the guy from the second article I sent. She remained calm and just kept telling him to leave. Did not get into a heated exchange with him. To me, that's maintaining her composure.
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This is exactly how one of my old engineers handled our resident crazy employee and I was amazed at how he kept his cool. He never raised his voice, he never escalated the situation and basically let her dig her own hole. The discipline was always upheld because he never retaliated in any way and she was eventually fired. And we know how hard that is for a civil servant.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#85640 May 15, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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I don't believe it.
First it cites teh NY Post, not a bastion of fact checking.
Second it doesn't cite specifics
Tird, from what I know of Disney, if they thought this was really going on, they would check their surveillance videos to see if the same person was a "family member" of lots of different families. That would limit the dsabled person to maybe 3 shots at the scam. Max.
I call Urban Myth. Someone call Snopes.
I seriously doubt that Disney could legally or policy-wise do anything about who claims to be family members or friends with whom. Any two people can choose to hang out with each other and it's none of Disney's business whether they're relatives, lifelong friends, or just met ten minutes ago. Unenforceable.

Since: Jan 10

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#85641 May 15, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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I seriously doubt that Disney could legally or policy-wise do anything about who claims to be family members or friends with whom. Any two people can choose to hang out with each other and it's none of Disney's business whether they're relatives, lifelong friends, or just met ten minutes ago. Unenforceable.
I agree. Just the sheer numbers of people going to DisneyWorld would make monitoring this a nightmare.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#85642 May 15, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I agree. Just the sheer numbers of people going to DisneyWorld would make monitoring this a nightmare.
The logistics are definitely an issue but I'd also love to see what happens if a Disney employee goes up to a group of people, one of whom is in a wheelchair, and starts demanding explanations of how they know each other.

Confession: when my friend and I were 15 and her sister was 20, the three of us went to Universal Studios and rented a wheelchair. Her sister legitimately had a bad knee from a karate incident years before, so she wouldn't have been able to walk around all day anyway. But I have to admit, we took turns riding in the wheelchair. It was kind of eye-opening, actually. People would stare, wondering what was wrong with us (since we were able-bodied and healthy-looking otherwise).

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#85643 May 15, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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I seriously doubt that Disney could legally or policy-wise do anything about who claims to be family members or friends with whom. Any two people can choose to hang out with each other and it's none of Disney's business whether they're relatives, lifelong friends, or just met ten minutes ago. Unenforceable.
Disney has more surveillance cameras per square foot in teh parks than any other commercial establishment I know of. If the same person in a wheelchair showed up with "family" on 3 differnt occasions, and there was some indication it was a ruse to gain line advantage, they could take steps to stop it. It would be fraud prevention.
It would need extremely delicate PR handling as well as legal but they are well set up to handle it discreetly.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#85644 May 15, 2013
I just posted Amy and Abby, but Amy is already gone...

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#85645 May 15, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I agree. Just the sheer numbers of people going to DisneyWorld would make monitoring this a nightmare.
Don't discount teh human factor. They would use teh special entrance which cuts down teh numbers substantially. All it would take is one gate person who thought a chair person looked familiar who shared that with a supervisor who then scanned security tapes... Identifying the people involved might be more difficult. That I don't know about.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#85647 May 15, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
He used probably the wrong way to say it, but what he said was very valid.

Frankly, if I learned that my kid was being handed packets and that was how he was being taught, I'd be furious. You can learn that that online.

I also think some teachers hide behind the job title and do not teach and do not do their job and then blame the kids for poor grades or the non-interest.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#85648 May 15, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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I disagree with you and agree with the guy from the second article I sent. She remained calm and just kept telling him to leave. Did not get into a heated exchange with him. To me, that's maintaining her composure.
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She sounded catatonic. It would have been better for her to say this was not the time nor the place to discuss teaching methods and she would be happy to discuss this further after school or in the office but she will not have disruption in her class.

She sounded way too dismissive.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#85649 May 15, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Don't discount teh human factor. They would use teh special entrance which cuts down teh numbers substantially. All it would take is one gate person who thought a chair person looked familiar who shared that with a supervisor who then scanned security tapes... Identifying the people involved might be more difficult. That I don't know about.
They also scan your fingerprint when you enter the parks now.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#85650 May 15, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Disney has more surveillance cameras per square foot in teh parks than any other commercial establishment I know of. If the same person in a wheelchair showed up with "family" on 3 differnt occasions, and there was some indication it was a ruse to gain line advantage, they could take steps to stop it. It would be fraud prevention.
It would need extremely delicate PR handling as well as legal but they are well set up to handle it discreetly.
I get what you're saying, but my point is that Disney can't call people out on being friends or relatives. Who are they to say that this wheelchair-bound person doesn't have two groups of friends who want to go to the park with him/her on consecutive days? Disney can't govern relationships.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#85651 May 15, 2013
Stina wrote:
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They also scan your fingerprint when you enter the parks now.
Yeah, I messed us up with that when we were at Disney World over Thanksgiving. I had no idea they associated the ticket with the fingerprint after the first use, so I just put all the tickets back in my wallet without noting who used which one. The next day, we had to get a replacement ticket because I used the wrong one to try and get in. Thankfully it wasn't that much of a pain since my mom took care of it while I took the kids on a ride, but it sure could have been without her help.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#85652 May 15, 2013
I think your insane.
I say let karma handle the able bodied peeps doing that, and as for the person in the wheelchair, they are not doing anything wrong. Unethical? other people do worse legally, so I dont see any problem with it.

a better solution is to simply make the disabled peeps wait their turn like everyone else. Have the park hire people to act as placeholders in the line and when they get to the front, the disabled and friends/family get on the ride.
Lot cheaper.
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Disney has more surveillance cameras per square foot in teh parks than any other commercial establishment I know of. If the same person in a wheelchair showed up with "family" on 3 differnt occasions, and there was some indication it was a ruse to gain line advantage, they could take steps to stop it. It would be fraud prevention.
It would need extremely delicate PR handling as well as legal but they are well set up to handle it discreetly.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#85653 May 15, 2013
I say if you're disabled and have to use a wheelchair, I have no problem with them jumping the line. It's difficult to get around when you're disabled and this act of kindness I think is something that able-bodied people should deal with. Yes, people will cheat the system. So what. Deal with the ones you catch. Do not punish everyone for the actions of others.

I really dislike people who cannot be a bit flexible and understanding.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#85654 May 15, 2013
A couple of amazing photos. I don't think I'd want to mess with these two...

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/tw...
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#85655 May 15, 2013
Toj wrote:
I say if you're disabled and have to use a wheelchair, I have no problem with them jumping the line. It's difficult to get around when you're disabled and this act of kindness I think is something that able-bodied people should deal with. Yes, people will cheat the system. So what. Deal with the ones you catch. Do not punish everyone for the actions of others.
I really dislike people who cannot be a bit flexible and understanding.
My Dad and I have been trying to talk my mom into going to Disney - they haven't been in YEARS. She's had a couple of heart attacks in the past and gets chest pains, so walking around all day would be too much. We keep telling her to rent a wheelchair and go but she won't because of pride. I didn't even think of the whole line issue!!!

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#85656 May 15, 2013
Stina wrote:
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My Dad and I have been trying to talk my mom into going to Disney - they haven't been in YEARS. She's had a couple of heart attacks in the past and gets chest pains, so walking around all day would be too much. We keep telling her to rent a wheelchair and go but she won't because of pride. I didn't even think of the whole line issue!!!
I understand. My aunt would not use a wheelchair until she had absolutely no other alternative. She eventually died of her disease that made her disabled (ALS)

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