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“I Am Mine”

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Toj wrote:
Well, kit could happen to anyone. People have off days, do things they normally wouldn't do, trust someone they shouldn't
ie: they do something stupid.
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-- it's better to remind people of what they should and should not do than to blame the victim.
Look, Sub's not running up to her and yelling in her face that she was stupid and its her fault, but if we're going to intelligently discuss this, the fact is, she got in a stranger's van willingly. It was stupid. I'm sure she's beaten herself up over and over during the last 10 years for how stupid she was to do that. What happened to her was terrible and you feel so bad for her that you would prefer we ignore her role in her abduction.

That's not blaming the victim. That's pointing out that when you do stupid things and put yourself in un-necessary danger, bad things are more likely to happen.

Oh, and as far as not being street smart and not being taught, I call bullshit. By the time you're 17, don't talk to strangers has been repeated to you forever, if not by parent's, definitely by school safety programs.

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Toj wrote:
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I guess since the captures were so awful I really dislike blaming the victims. Yes, they made a very poor decision but at this point they more than paid their price.
She was 14. I'm not going to say she bears any responsibility for this at all.

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May 8, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
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ie: they do something stupid.
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Look, Sub's not running up to her and yelling in her face that she was stupid and its her fault, but if we're going to intelligently discuss this, the fact is, she got in a stranger's van willingly. It was stupid. I'm sure she's beaten herself up over and over during the last 10 years for how stupid she was to do that. What happened to her was terrible and you feel so bad for her that you would prefer we ignore her role in her abduction.
That's not blaming the victim. That's pointing out that when you do stupid things and put yourself in un-necessary danger, bad things are more likely to happen.
Oh, and as far as not being street smart and not being taught, I call bullshit. By the time you're 17, don't talk to strangers has been repeated to you forever, if not by parent's, definitely by school safety programs.
Okay, now I'm back on this side.

And before I get sucked into a debate on something in one of our other threads, I'm off to bed. see you all tomorrow.

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May 9, 2013
 

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Mister Tonka wrote:
http://now.msn.com/nick-willia ms-cancer-survivor-might-lose- f-cancr-license-plate

F Cancr
While I completely agree with the sentiment behind this plate and I think the people who are complaining need to find other things to focus their energy on, I do not for one second believe that he intended this to stand for "Fight Cancer".

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May 9, 2013
 
ScarletandOlive wrote:
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While I completely agree with the sentiment behind this plate and I think the people who are complaining need to find other things to focus their energy on, I do not for one second believe that he intended this to stand for "Fight Cancer".
ITA.
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May 9, 2013
 
Sublime1 wrote:
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II have to play tooth fairy tonight, lol.
Do you watch Modern Family? Last week one of teh dad's accidentally gave the daughter $100 from teh toth fairy and they were trying to get it back. It was pretty funny.

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#85384
May 9, 2013
 
Ang, I sent you an email yesterday. Did you get it?

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May 9, 2013
 
Stina wrote:
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Do you watch Modern Family? Last week one of teh dad's accidentally gave the daughter $100 from teh toth fairy and they were trying to get it back. It was pretty funny.
That is the funniest show...loved the part last night, where the mom found out her name was still in the bathroom wall, at the skating rink...lol...Kinda miss Suburgatory, that was after it.....
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May 9, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>That is the funniest show...loved the part last night, where the mom found out her name was still in the bathroom wall, at the skating rink...lol...Kinda miss Suburgatory, that was after it.....
I DVR MF, so I'll watch it this weekend. I only caught Sub once or twice but liked it. I guess that'll haev to be a Netflix catch-up!!! But Modern is one of my faves!!!

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#85387
May 9, 2013
 
Just was speaking on another thread about Riverview Amusement Park....Does anyone recall the old, S.Chicago destination?...it was there until it started falling apart, around 1967......

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Go Blue Forever wrote:
Just was speaking on another thread about Riverview Amusement Park....Does anyone recall the old, S.Chicago destination?...it was there until it started falling apart, around 1967......
Riverview was at Belmont and Western on the north side. It was certainly there in 1967. I was there. It was probably torn down early to mid 1970's.

Old Chicago was an indoor mash up of an amusement park and mall at I 55 and Rte 53 in Plainfield/Joliet. That was torn down in the early 1980's. THere is still a street named for it on teh site right next to teh Bob Evans as I recall.

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May 9, 2013
 
Was'nt Santa's Village just starting out in Gurnee, back then?.....We lived in Park Forest and went to Cedar Lake in Indiana alot, when i was little.....

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#85390
May 9, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Oh, and as far as not being street smart and not being taught, I call bullshit. By the time you're 17, don't talk to strangers has been repeated to you forever, if not by parent's, definitely by school safety programs.
You'd be surprised by how "smart" kids, who "know better" can make really stupid decisions. <nod nod>

http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_famili...

That said, placing any blame on the victims for what this guy(s?) intentionally, with deliberation, malice, and forethought did is (IMO) the same as saying "well if she didn't dress like that she wouldn't have been raped so it's her fault." Yeah, dumb, dumb, dumb choice that she's been paying for for a really long time, but that takes away not one iota of 100% blame going to the perpetrator for his decision to find someone who was not as cautious as they should have been.

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May 9, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Was'nt Santa's Village just starting out in Gurnee, back then?.....We lived in Park Forest and went to Cedar Lake in Indiana alot, when i was little.....
Santa's Village was in Dundee or Carpentersville, out near I 90 and teh Fox River.

Gurnee has Great America which is still there and probably just about to open.

I am guessing you are at least in your 60's. I didn't think Park Forest was built until the mid 1950's (it is a planned from teh ground up community)

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#85392
May 9, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
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Santa's Village was in Dundee or Carpentersville, out near I 90 and teh Fox River.
Gurnee has Great America which is still there and probably just about to open.
I am guessing you are at least in your 60's. I didn't think Park Forest was built until the mid 1950's (it is a planned from teh ground up community)
Yeah, class of 1970, Rich East...lol........we drive through PF on our way to Michigan sometimes....but i hate to see what the fed's social engineering did to Park Forest, it was so well designed as an award winning design for post-war middle class families, then they had those in public housing from Chicago dumped into it.....you can guess the rest.....

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Stina wrote:
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Do you watch Modern Family? Last week one of teh dad's accidentally gave the daughter $100 from teh toth fairy and they were trying to get it back. It was pretty funny.
No, I don't, but that sounds funny.

My son with autism is afraid of the tooth fairy. He will stay awake until 1 or 2 in the morning and anytime he hears a noise he screams thinking it's the tooth fairy coming into his room. All night you hear him screaming like a girl.

Another time, the money fell behind the bed, and our other son came running into our room, absolutely balling. He said "the tooth fairy took my tooth, but didn't leave me any money."

So funny.

Toj

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Mister Tonka wrote:
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ie: they do something stupid.
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Look, Sub's not running up to her and yelling in her face that she was stupid and its her fault, but if we're going to intelligently discuss this, the fact is, she got in a stranger's van willingly. It was stupid. I'm sure she's beaten herself up over and over during the last 10 years for how stupid she was to do that. What happened to her was terrible and you feel so bad for her that you would prefer we ignore her role in her abduction.
That's not blaming the victim. That's pointing out that when you do stupid things and put yourself in un-necessary danger, bad things are more likely to happen.
Oh, and as far as not being street smart and not being taught, I call bullshit. By the time you're 17, don't talk to strangers has been repeated to you forever, if not by parent's, definitely by school safety programs.
I specifically pointed out:

"I'm not saying you're heaping blame (b/c you don't seem that you are); but that's my thought process on it. "

I'm telling you, people don't listen at school, they hear what they want to hear, want the feel good everybody is great.

Tonka, stupid is rampant.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
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ie: they do something stupid.
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Look, Sub's not running up to her and yelling in her face that she was stupid and its her fault, but if we're going to intelligently discuss this, the fact is, she got in a stranger's van willingly. It was stupid. I'm sure she's beaten herself up over and over during the last 10 years for how stupid she was to do that. What happened to her was terrible and you feel so bad for her that you would prefer we ignore her role in her abduction.
That's not blaming the victim. That's pointing out that when you do stupid things and put yourself in un-necessary danger, bad things are more likely to happen.
Oh, and as far as not being street smart and not being taught, I call bullshit. By the time you're 17, don't talk to strangers has been repeated to you forever, if not by parent's, definitely by school safety programs.
Well said, man.

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