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#83719 Apr 7, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Choosing a legal "age of consent" is something imposed by a give society and does not appear to be dependent on chronological age in an absolute sense.
For example, Romeo and Juliet were thought to around 14 or 15.
Mary married Joseph and was already pregnant as a very young teenager although the circumstances were, ah, unique. The point is that the her age was not an issue.
If you read history, you know there have been some fairly important women who were married at a young age and bred as soon as they reached menarche
More currently, in the Jewish tradition, 13 is considered the coming of age with all that implies.
Mimi could probably give more examples where imputed maturity and social responsibility aka coming of age is more closely tied to biological maturation than an arbitrary age.
My point is that this construct seems more closely descriptive of the CN teenagers conduct than the legal and parental one.
...Societys and cultures shape the laws and rules that we live by. Should'nt we understand that our legal system must setup all our laws, based on definates...like 18 as the age one might be regarded as a legal adult. They would have neither the grounds or appetite to discern between maturity on a case by case basis....In all these cases, like Connecticutt or the Ohio case....there is no real doubt, that these boy's knew full well, what they were doing is wrong.....Do you think, the local society or law enforcement, should react differently?

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#83720 Apr 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>...Societys and cultures shape the laws and rules that we live by. Should'nt we understand that our legal system must setup all our laws, based on definates...like 18 as the age one might be regarded as a legal adult. They would have neither the grounds or appetite to discern between maturity on a case by case basis....In all these cases, like Connecticutt or the Ohio case....there is no real doubt, that these boy's knew full well, what they were doing is wrong.....Do you think, the local society or law enforcement, should react differently?
I disagree. The courts are well suited to distinguish things on a case by case basis. Judges are supposed to temper justice with mercy. You are suggesting something akin to saying that mandatory sentencing must be applied all the time, no exceptions. Technically that is what the law says, but the news is full of judges findng some kid guilty of something lesser so he is not bound to impose the mandatory sentence.

I don't think the Ohio case and the CN case are identical. The Ohio boys could have been prosecuted even if the girl was 22 based on how drunk she appeared to be. There is nothing in the CN case to suggest the girls were coerced or anything but full participants.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#83721 Apr 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>...Societys and cultures shape the laws and rules that we live by. Should'nt we understand that our legal system must setup all our laws, based on definates...like 18 as the age one might be regarded as a legal adult. They would have neither the grounds or appetite to discern between maturity on a case by case basis....In all these cases, like Connecticutt or the Ohio case....there is no real doubt, that these boy's knew full well, what they were doing is wrong.....Do you think, the local society or law enforcement, should react differently?
Mimi could but she really doesn't feel up to it. Historically "maturity" was tied in with the ability to reproduce. <shrug> Also I know nothing about the CN case so I can't really offer an opinion.

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Since: Jun 09

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#83722 Apr 7, 2013
Charles Barkley wrote:
<quoted text>My guess is he didn't recruit from the hood! Suburban-type kids with their one shot at college basketball will take that abuse but, one he was one tough urban kid away from getting seriously hurt.
I saw teh follow up with an assistant coach who had worked with Ri=ce at Robert Morris. He has similar problems there including ?5 instances of coah vs player brawls. That rather supports your analysis that urban kids wouldn't put up with his c*arp.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83723 Apr 7, 2013
PEllen wrote:
There is nothing in the CN case to suggest the girls were coerced or anything but full participants.
Except for the fact they're THIRTEEN!

Are you advocating for the statutory rape of young kids?
mommy of obammy

Athens, Greece

#83724 Apr 7, 2013
bla bla bla

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Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83725 Apr 8, 2013

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#83726 Apr 8, 2013
Just doing a drive by post, will read stuff at lunch time. Mia is at the vet's, likely looking at surgery today or tomorrow (her stomach is empty enough, she probably would be safe to operate on today). Poor girl. Likely an obstruction. SHe was good Friday night, but since tghen hasn't kept food down, and has puked up water, but she's hydrated, which is a good sign (unlike many/most cats, mine are good about drinking water).

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#83727 Apr 8, 2013
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.

I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.

I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.

There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#83728 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.
I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.
I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.
There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.
Defer it for a year. You need this to settle in your brain. It's not a permanent move and being in another part of the country, you might really enjoy soaking that up when it comes time. Now you're probably just freaked out.

BTW, Congrats! Awesome!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83729 Apr 8, 2013
I think your crazy if you turn it down.
Seattle is just a piece of dirt, it will be then when you want to go back.

Do what I did, make the move and tell yourself you will give it a year. If it dont work out, not much time lost.

Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.
I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.
I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.
There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.

Since: Aug 08

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#83730 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.

I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.

I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.

There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.
It would be hard for me to leave the North West if I lived there, and NJ would never be a place I would actually want to live in, but I don't think that's an opportunity you turn down. Suck it up for a few years and then write your ticket...
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#83731 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.
I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.
I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.
There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.
CONGRATS!!! That is so phenomenal! I think you should ABSOLUTELY do it! This is a "once in a lifetime" and can relaly mean a lot for your future! Plus, even though it's NJ, it's a new experience and you'd be close to one of the greatest cities on earth (NY) while still having access to beaches, the country, the mountains, etc.

Plus, it's PRINCETON!!!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#83732 Apr 8, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/gay-rights-groups-await...

The look on Putin's face is cracking me up!
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#83733 Apr 8, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Just doing a drive by post, will read stuff at lunch time. Mia is at the vet's, likely looking at surgery today or tomorrow (her stomach is empty enough, she probably would be safe to operate on today). Poor girl. Likely an obstruction. SHe was good Friday night, but since tghen hasn't kept food down, and has puked up water, but she's hydrated, which is a good sign (unlike many/most cats, mine are good about drinking water).
I hope sh'e ok!!!

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83734 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.
I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.
I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.
There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.
The status quo is always easier. Wondering "What if...?" sucks. If you got accepted, you are capable, so screw the "What if I can't...?" stuff. At worst, you go and try it and you just don't like it. At least you found out. And you had a new experience. And you meet some new people. And who the heck knows what else could happen. And isn't that part of the fun?

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83735 Apr 8, 2013
Do it, Mimi! That's awesome.

Since: Aug 08

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#83736 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
oh and also what if I can't "cut" it?
You also need to make yourself a stranger to such thoughts. Don't ever doubt yourself.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#83737 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Ok, you guys, I need some thoughts.

I am NOT bragging or anything, but I got accepted to a post-grad program at Princeton. I can defer it for a year, which I will need to do, but I don't know if I should accept it or not.

I mean...it's PRINCETON (!!!) but it would mean a cross-country move and several years in NJ which I never really thought about because I never thought they would accept me.

There are no financial issues, just the idea of moving for several years, oh and also what if I can't "cut" it? FWIW I can do post-grad work here too, but it's "Ivy league" so I think that's worth some serious thought.
Congrats!!!!

Why wouldn't you go for it? The Princeton area is culture-rich, close to Philly if you need some city life, far enough from the city that you never have to deal with it if you don't want to. NJ has great food, four seasons and people who drop everything to help their neighbors when hurricanes hit.

You are a rock star and you can handle anything that comes your way, if you want to.:)

Since: Jan 10

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#83738 Apr 8, 2013
Mimi, do it even though it means going to Jersey.

;)

Mia has a mass on her kidney. They'll do exploratory surgery tomorrow and go from there.

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