“bELieve”

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#83445 Apr 2, 2013
Stina wrote:
My neighbor died in a motorcycle accident this weekend. They did a big memorial on the street behind my house. 60+ bikers revving their engines for 2 minutes straight. It was rather touching to see all the people that came out. The guy was pretty young.

You motorcyclists be careful out there!!!
I am so sorry to hear that.

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#83446 Apr 2, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>It might be that you are right about something.
Dumb

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#83447 Apr 2, 2013
Even your comebacks show a lack of intelligence.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83449 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
You can argue this, but you've yet to present anything other than conclusory statements to back this up. Your argument consists of, it is because I say it is.
And what have you presented? I will not argue whether punishment serves as a deterrent because that is irrelevant to me. I don't believe that it does. That is the extent of my "argument" on the matter. You, however, can't seem to let it go. Are you expecting me to PROVE deterrence isn't a factor? How should I "prove" that exactly? I can point out recidivism rates and the fact there are people being sent to prison for willingly breaking the law. There ya go, there's your "proof."

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#83450 Apr 2, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>And what have you presented? I will not argue whether punishment serves as a deterrent because that is irrelevant to me. I don't believe that it does. That is the extent of my "argument" on the matter. You, however, can't seem to let it go. Are you expecting me to PROVE deterrence isn't a factor? How should I "prove" that exactly? I can point out recidivism rates and the fact there are people being sent to prison for willingly breaking the law. There ya go, there's your "proof."
I've already proved punishment is a deterrence. Make armed robbery a $100 dollar misdemeanor and watch incidents of armed robbery sky rocket, This wouldn't hold true if no one thought of consequences before committing crimes.

Also, your merely pointing out that punishments don't deter some folks and we still send folks to jail despite having punishments doesn't mean that punishment doesn't deter some folks. You seem to think that unless it stops all crime that this necessarily means it doesn't deter some folks.

“bELieve”

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#83451 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>I've already proved punishment is a deterrence. Make armed robbery a $100 dollar misdemeanor and watch incidents of armed robbery sky rocket, This wouldn't hold true if no one thought of consequences before committing crimes.

Also, your merely pointing out that punishments don't deter some folks and we still send folks to jail despite having punishments doesn't mean that punishment doesn't deter some folks. You seem to think that unless it stops all crime that this necessarily means it doesn't deter some folks.
States without the death penalty have had consistently lower murder rates than dates with the death penalty (stats going back to 1991), so maybe there is a limit to how much punishment is actually a deterrent.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-st...

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#83452 Apr 2, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>States without the death penalty have had consistently lower murder rates than dates with the death penalty (stats going back to 1991), so maybe there is a limit to how much punishment is actually a deterrent.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-st...
I'm pretty sure the demographics might have something to do with that considering the 17 states without the death penalty include very low crime states such as Alaska, Hawaii, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83453 Apr 2, 2013
So, youre saying its an apple to watermelon comparison?

Hey, did you ever see that movie "Saving Amos". Just watched on crackle last night, funny as sheit!
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty sure the demographics might have something to do with that considering the 17 states without the death penalty include very low crime states such as Alaska, Hawaii, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

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#83454 Apr 2, 2013
RACE wrote:
<quoted text>So, youre saying its an apple to watermelon comparison?

Hey, did you ever see that movie "Saving Amos". Just watched on crackle last night, funny as sheit!
Yes. It's not the fact that those states don't have the death penalty that causes them to have lower murder rates ... It's that they don't have a lot of minorities. The murder and incarceration rates for minorities other than Asians is much much higher than for white people:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.ht...

And before folks call me racist, I didn't compile the statistics. I just make folks aware of them.

The point being is that of the 17 states without the death penalty 12 of them are more lily white than my upper thighs in February (were talkin' whiter than Elmer's glue). Of course they are going to have less murders. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the death penalty or lack thereof, however. It's demographics based. White folks are 5 times less likely to be incarcerated for crimes than a black person. Hispanics are about 3 times more likely. I would bet my left nut the same basically holds true when you look at incarceration rates for murder.

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#83455 Apr 2, 2013
Naw, haven't seen that one. I'll try check it out, tho.

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#83456 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Yes. It's not the fact that those states don't have the death penalty that causes them to have lower murder rates ... It's that they don't have a lot of minorities. The murder and incarceration rates for minorities other than Asians is much much higher than for white people:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.ht...
And before folks call me racist, I didn't compile the statistics. I just make folks aware of them.
The point being is that of the 17 states without the death penalty 12 of them are more lily white than my upper thighs in February (were talkin' whiter than Elmer's glue). Of course they are going to have less murders. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the death penalty or lack thereof, however. It's demographics based. White folks are 5 times less likely to be incarcerated for crimes than a black person. Hispanics are about 3 times more likely. I would bet my left nut the same basically holds true when you look at incarceration rates for murder.
I think it has to do more with bring poor and urban. I'd like to see crime stats for the white populations in heavily black/Latino areas that also are poor neighborhoods. Socio economics.

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#83457 Apr 2, 2013
*being noT bring.

“I Am Mine”

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#83459 Apr 3, 2013
Here's abby.
http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/T4LVJUSIVF...

I posted Amy too, but its not showing up. Not sure if it crapped out completely or if it will eventually show up like sometimes happens

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#83460 Apr 3, 2013
Amy's still not showing. I'll give it a shot.

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#83461 Apr 3, 2013
I've tried posting Amy twice. Not sure what is up.

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#83462 Apr 3, 2013
Here's today's amy column:

DEAR AMY: My teenage brother,“Jamie,” died last month in a car accident. My whole family misses him deeply, but I’m most concerned about my teenage sister,“Lana.” She and my brother were close in age and were constant companions.

After a few days of nonstop crying, Lana’s tears suddenly dried up, and she smiled and laughed quite normally. I was happy she seemed at peace, but then when other negative things piled up over the course of a few weeks (including the end of a friendship, a job loss and a robbery), she seemed abnormally unconcerned about any of it, still smiling and joking and shrugging it off with,“It doesn’t matter; life goes on.”

Is sudden, extreme apathy a normal response to grief? Should I get my sister help or just write it off as her own way of coping?-- Concerned Sister

DEAR CONCERNED: My sympathies to all of you for this shocking loss. There is no one way to grieve and there is no one way to cope with loss. I’m sure you have noticed this in your own family, where each family member might have spun off in separate orbits of grief, handling this in his or her own way.

You should not write off any concern you have about a family member, and I agree that your sister’s apathy in the face of repeated stresses is distressing. She may be seriously depressed, dissociative or worse. And because she is a teenager (and not yet fully emotionally mature), you should not discount or make assumptions about anything.

Please get her in to see a mental health professional right away. Go with her and speak to the therapist together. It will be useful for all of you to have ongoing professional help.

The American Psychological Association hosts a helpful database of therapists; you can locate a therapist according to specialty and location. Check apa.org . Your family doctor can also make a recommendation.

DEAR AMY: My boyfriend and I live in a house with two male roommates. I have noticed that one of the roommates has stockpiled black garbage bags in the basement. I moved them recently because they were surrounding the hot water heater, and I felt it was a hazard. The bags seem to be filled with garbage.

I find everything about this situation strange. My boyfriend doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers because we plan on buying a house this year and leaving the roommate world.

Should I stay mum for the remainder of our living situation or should I tell him that garbage is put out every week and not piled in the basement?-- Unsure

DEAR UNSURE: We seem to have reached a strange threshold, where writing to me has substituted for even the most benign and obvious human inquiry. I mean, you live with this person. You literally breathe the same air. And yet you and your boyfriend would rather live surrounded in garbage than risk asking a question?

I suggest you stand at the bottom of the basement stairs and holler up:“Hey, Clem. What’s with all these garbage bags down here? Is this your stuff or is this garbage? We put the trash out at the curb on Friday nights. I’d be happy to help you drag these bags out, but I really don’t think they should be down here.”

Repeated (and regrettable) viewings of “Hoarders” have taught me more than I want to know about people who develop garbage hoarding problems. If your roommate has this (relatively rare) condition, it’s best to nip it in the bud before your landlord gets involved and assesses all of you for damage caused by this hazard.

DEAR AMY:“Querying Daughter” asked what she should do about her elderly parents’ hygiene issues. I liked your recommendations that she should be more active and helpful in their household. I’d also like to add that hygiene issues are sometimes caused by oncoming dementia or other health problems.

This helpful daughter really should start going to medical appointments with her folks; that way she will be better informed about their medical issues.-- Been There

DEAR BEEN THERE: An excellent suggestion. Thank you.

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#83463 Apr 3, 2013
I also posted her HERE and it didn't take. Hmmm.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83464 Apr 3, 2013
Anyone watch the Kristin Schall special on Comedy Central the other night?

Since: Jan 10

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#83465 Apr 3, 2013
And two amy columns I posted are showing up below. Go with this one:

http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/T6IECD41A4...

“I Am Mine”

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#83466 Apr 3, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Amy's still not showing. I'll give it a shot.
Yeah it is. It showed up a few minutes after I posted. Jmw posted in there too.

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