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Apr 1, 2013
 
I feel for the killer the day he may be "well" and realizes what horrible things he did.

This week here locally we had the beginnings of the trial of the dad who killed all three of his young daughters to spite his wife. He even called her when he was done killing them to gloat about it. He's pleading guilty but mentally ill.

I am with Toj on the death penalty, for different reasons, and even I want to push this asshole off a cliff.

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#83356
Apr 1, 2013
 
I see the usage of the death penalty as just another disconnect between all the noise I hear about the US being a christian nation and how we really behave.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>My only argument with the death penalty is the possibility that we fry the wrong person. Barring that, I have zero problem with "legal murder". I'm down with an eye for an eye.
And I can understand that.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I feel for the killer the day he may be "well" and realizes what horrible things he did.
This week here locally we had the beginnings of the trial of the dad who killed all three of his young daughters to spite his wife. He even called her when he was done killing them to gloat about it. He's pleading guilty but mentally ill.
I am with Toj on the death penalty, for different reasons, and even I want to push this asshole off a cliff.
Oh, I would want to do all sorts of cruel and degrading things to THAT man.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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I know you don't like to let things like information and facts get in the way of what you say, but look at post #83323 for some basic math.
Oh, I thought those were rounded guestimation figures and not an actual mathematical calculation. My bad. And even with your "example," people have to spend most of their adult lives in prison in order for it to "break even." So, it's still basically cheaper to house them for life than to execute them.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
•Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
•The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
According to Sam, your estimates are WAY off.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
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Oh, I would want to do all sorts of cruel and degrading things to THAT man.
But the idea of strapping him to a gurney and peacefully and painlessly ending his worthless existence makes you queasy?

I don't understand you people. It's wrong to execute someone but it's perfectly fine to let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, especially if there's a slim chance they might be innocent...

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!
Will your nephew go with her?

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Apr 1, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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But the idea of strapping him to a gurney and peacefully and painlessly ending his worthless existence makes you queasy?
I don't understand you people. It's wrong to execute someone but it's perfectly fine to let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, especially if there's a slim chance they might be innocent...
Wanting and doing are two different things.

I'd like to get millions of dollars from a bank. But would I? No. I'm not a thief and I don't take what's not mine. I don't really see a huge settlement nor a bequest from anyone in the near future either.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>My only argument with the death penalty is the possibility that we fry the wrong person. Barring that, I have zero problem with "legal murder". I'm down with an eye for an eye.
Same here.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!
Now that's something to celebrate! Good for you!

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Apr 1, 2013
 
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.p...
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Where did that come from? I am genuinely interested in reading up on that.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Hey! I went to Madison Wis...Twice!
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Very cool!
The most exciting place I'll ever get sent to for my work is our farm in Hanover Park.
So have fun for me too.
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Apr 1, 2013
 
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So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.

Thoughts?
If Holmes subjectively felt spending life in jail was a worse fate than the death penalty, he wouldn't have offered to plea guilty in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table...

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Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I may or may not be a bleeding heart but I look at it more logically, not emotionally...

It's just too easy to say "fry him".
That's some really compelling logic ... about as compelling as this:

http://youtu.be/lj3iNxZ8Dww

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Apr 1, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
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So, a funny thing. Your link leads to an article on the death penalty on ProCon.org . Under "Cons" there is a reference to that statement from an article by a couple of Stanford professors. So, I went to the Stanford article, and it turns out they were referring to an article by Hashem Dezbakhsh in which he asserted that capital punishment has a significant deterrent effect and each execution saves 18 innocent lives. Funny thing is that the Stanford professors were arguing that capital punishment has little, if any, deterrent effect. The link to the HD article led to another link that addressed numerous different studies that ranged from "saves 18 lives" to "deters 3 other murders." The discussion pertained to the deterrent effect, and the range of the discussions, including that by the Stanford professors, was "deters 18" to "virtually no deterrent effect."

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all of which means you spend too much time on the internet.
So, bottom line is whether it saves 18 lives or deters 3 murders, capital punishment saves exponentially correct?
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So, a funny thing. Your link leads to an article on the death penalty on ProCon.org . Under "Cons" there is a reference to that statement from an article by a couple of Stanford professors. So, I went to the Stanford article, and it turns out they were referring to an article by Hashem Dezbakhsh in which he asserted that capital punishment has a significant deterrent effect and each execution saves 18 innocent lives. Funny thing is that the Stanford professors were arguing that capital punishment has little, if any, deterrent effect. The link to the HD article led to another link that addressed numerous different studies that ranged from "saves 18 lives" to "deters 3 other murders." The discussion pertained to the deterrent effect, and the range of the discussions, including that by the Stanford professors, was "deters 18" to "virtually no deterrent effect."

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Holmes isn't an exception. A good portion of these schmoes try to plea guilty to avoid the death penalty. They don't want to die. Based on this, I don't believe it's logical to conclude it doesn't serve a deterrent effect.

Psst, Toj ^^^^ that's logic.

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Sublime1 wrote:
Holmes isn't an exception. A good portion of these schmoes try to plea guilty to avoid the death penalty. They don't want to die. Based on this, I don't believe it's logical to conclude it doesn't serve a deterrent effect.
Psst, Toj ^^^^ that's logic.
You believe that someone must write out their whole logical thought for you. Sorry pal. Didn't do that. Said I was looking at it logically not emotionally. Then I said it's too easy to say just to fry him. Two thoughts. The statement about being too easy to say to fry him is not the logical thought process. I did not write the thought process down in my post. Not everyone likes to write dissertations for posts. Nor do I believe I owe you one.

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