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Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#83371 Apr 1, 2013
RACE wrote:
http://deathpenalty.procon.org /view.answers.php?questionID=0 01017
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So, a funny thing. Your link leads to an article on the death penalty on ProCon.org . Under "Cons" there is a reference to that statement from an article by a couple of Stanford professors. So, I went to the Stanford article, and it turns out they were referring to an article by Hashem Dezbakhsh in which he asserted that capital punishment has a significant deterrent effect and each execution saves 18 innocent lives. Funny thing is that the Stanford professors were arguing that capital punishment has little, if any, deterrent effect. The link to the HD article led to another link that addressed numerous different studies that ranged from "saves 18 lives" to "deters 3 other murders." The discussion pertained to the deterrent effect, and the range of the discussions, including that by the Stanford professors, was "deters 18" to "virtually no deterrent effect."

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83372 Apr 1, 2013
all of which means you spend too much time on the internet.
So, bottom line is whether it saves 18 lives or deters 3 murders, capital punishment saves exponentially correct?
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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So, a funny thing. Your link leads to an article on the death penalty on ProCon.org . Under "Cons" there is a reference to that statement from an article by a couple of Stanford professors. So, I went to the Stanford article, and it turns out they were referring to an article by Hashem Dezbakhsh in which he asserted that capital punishment has a significant deterrent effect and each execution saves 18 innocent lives. Funny thing is that the Stanford professors were arguing that capital punishment has little, if any, deterrent effect. The link to the HD article led to another link that addressed numerous different studies that ranged from "saves 18 lives" to "deters 3 other murders." The discussion pertained to the deterrent effect, and the range of the discussions, including that by the Stanford professors, was "deters 18" to "virtually no deterrent effect."

Since: Aug 08

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#83373 Apr 1, 2013
Holmes isn't an exception. A good portion of these schmoes try to plea guilty to avoid the death penalty. They don't want to die. Based on this, I don't believe it's logical to conclude it doesn't serve a deterrent effect.

Psst, Toj ^^^^ that's logic.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#83374 Apr 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Holmes isn't an exception. A good portion of these schmoes try to plea guilty to avoid the death penalty. They don't want to die. Based on this, I don't believe it's logical to conclude it doesn't serve a deterrent effect.
Psst, Toj ^^^^ that's logic.
You believe that someone must write out their whole logical thought for you. Sorry pal. Didn't do that. Said I was looking at it logically not emotionally. Then I said it's too easy to say just to fry him. Two thoughts. The statement about being too easy to say to fry him is not the logical thought process. I did not write the thought process down in my post. Not everyone likes to write dissertations for posts. Nor do I believe I owe you one.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83375 Apr 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Holmes isn't an exception.
Yes he is. A good portion of the schmoes kill themselves or are killed by police. Holmes and Laughner are an exception. There are recent stories of those who aren't...

The death penalty hasn't ever been proven to work as a deterrent. But who cares? That's not why I support it.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#83376 Apr 1, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Will your nephew go with her?
Yes. They are there now. It's like a studio inside of a really big house. They have a bedroom, bathroom, sitting area, and kitchenette. They will help her get into transitional housing then help her get a place more permanently. He will be able to go to the same school even though it's out of the district. Washington has a law that says that in a DV situation the school district has to send a bus for the kid so they don't have to switch schools...continuity.

More importantly: They are not all sprawled out in my front room. Two down, two to go...and one of them (niece's daughter) is leaving within a week or so. Yay!!!

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#83377 Apr 1, 2013
Matilda...cool deal. You will love/hate India.:D

Death penalty/life in prison...don't care right now.

First class, already knew everyone. Everyone being in the same major and all, so we all take the same classes. Second class, knew about half the people. Everyone else not in our major...just lookey loos...

Sister texted me 5 mins into the second class to tell me about the room at the shelter and she had to get down there right then to get her spot. Called the husband and got him to take her, but I still had to go get her, take her back to get her stuff and her kid, plus groceries, etc. Paid my niece (gas money) to drive her back. I am SO SO SO tiiirrreeeddd.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83378 Apr 1, 2013
Mimi, so glad that things are working out for you, but happier that you have helped put your sister on a path to sanity.

Oh, and now that they are all gone, you have time to take a little vaca in FLL....
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Yes. They are there now. It's like a studio inside of a really big house. They have a bedroom, bathroom, sitting area, and kitchenette. They will help her get into transitional housing then help her get a place more permanently. He will be able to go to the same school even though it's out of the district. Washington has a law that says that in a DV situation the school district has to send a bus for the kid so they don't have to switch schools...continuity.
More importantly: They are not all sprawled out in my front room. Two down, two to go...and one of them (niece's daughter) is leaving within a week or so. Yay!!!

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#83379 Apr 1, 2013
RACE wrote:
Mimi, so glad that things are working out for you, but happier that you have helped put your sister on a path to sanity.
Oh, and now that they are all gone, you have time to take a little vaca in FLL....
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Well it's a start anyway. Vacation? LOLOL Back in school full time. Sitting here in my chair with no one in the room with me...priceless.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#83380 Apr 1, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Well it's a start anyway. Vacation? LOLOL Back in school full time. Sitting here in my chair with no one in the room with me...priceless.
Not that I pegged you a Rogers and Hammerstein type, but there is a song in Cinderella: In my own little corner , in my own little chair...

Keeping my fingers crossed this all works out for everyone

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83381 Apr 2, 2013

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83382 Apr 2, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Yes. They are there now. It's like a studio inside of a really big house. They have a bedroom, bathroom, sitting area, and kitchenette. They will help her get into transitional housing then help her get a place more permanently. He will be able to go to the same school even though it's out of the district. Washington has a law that says that in a DV situation the school district has to send a bus for the kid so they don't have to switch schools...continuity.
More importantly: They are not all sprawled out in my front room. Two down, two to go...and one of them (niece's daughter) is leaving within a week or so. Yay!!!
Woo hoo! And that's awesome about him not having to switch schools.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#83383 Apr 2, 2013

Since: Aug 08

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#83384 Apr 2, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>You believe that someone must write out their whole logical thought for you. Sorry pal. Didn't do that. Said I was looking at it logically not emotionally. Then I said it's too easy to say just to fry him. Two thoughts. The statement about being too easy to say to fry him is not the logical thought process. I did not write the thought process down in my post. Not everyone likes to write dissertations for posts. Nor do I believe I owe you one.
There never was a logical thought process. You are too f'ing dumb to even know what one of those is.

Since: Aug 08

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#83385 Apr 2, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>Yes he is. A good portion of the schmoes kill themselves or are killed by police. Holmes and Laughner are an exception. There are recent stories of those who aren't...

The death penalty hasn't ever been proven to work as a deterrent. But who cares? That's not why I support it.
I'm not just talking about folks like him. I'm talking about folks who commit death penalty eligible crimes in general. It's not uncommon for folks to offer to plead guilty in exchange for life in prison.

It's never been proven not to be a deterrent. I suppose one could say the same about jail time. Pretty sure more folks would commit crimes, but for punishment. Pretty sure more folks would commit crimes if say all you got was a slap on the wrist. The opposite holds true in situations where you elevate punishment. Pretty sure in countries where you get death for smuggling in illegal drugs, there are lower smuggling rates than in the US.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#83386 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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There never was a logical thought process. You are too f'ing dumb to even know what one of those is.
Yes, of course. God, I'm so glad you are here to set us all straight, Sub. It's nice to know you are so superior and know everything. Glad there's someone so smart here.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#83387 Apr 2, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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Thanks, edog.
Welcome, now when are you gonna start paying me?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#83388 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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There never was a logical thought process. You are too f'ing dumb to even know what one of those is.
Is this nastiness really called for?

Since: Oct 12

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#83389 Apr 2, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Chowing down on Gators might be fightin' words in some quarters here.
Glad you found the address.
Sorry, i haven't been on Topix much...as i think it adds so much spam on here...it is actually slowing down my service, quite a bit.....AS for gator, i liked it...wish they would start catching and selling the meat of pythons that they catch in the everglades...they are an invasive species......

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#83390 Apr 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
It's never been proven not to be a deterrent.
I don't think that's a very strong counter-argument. But again, the deterrence factor is irrelevant IMO.

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