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Toj

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#83351 Apr 1, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
•Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
•The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
That's an eye opener.

Toj

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#83352 Apr 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Bleeding heart. He wasn't too concerned about the humane treatment of his victims.
I may or may not be a bleeding heart but I look at it more logically, not emotionally. I'm not too concerned about what the perpetrator is feeling or what he was/is concerned about, although generally I believe mental illness is something to take into consideration.

It's just too easy to say "fry him".

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#83353 Apr 1, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think so. I think the extra cost is factoring in all the costs to the government associated with the multiple appeals process.
I know about all of that -- including mandatory appeals, etc. I just think that you have not onyl that (which is the bulk of the expense), but they often get housed in their own wings, and there is a lot more security involved with housing them, so it's going to cost more.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#83354 Apr 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
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I may or may not be a bleeding heart but I look at it more logically, not emotionally. I'm not too concerned about what the perpetrator is feeling or what he was/is concerned about, although generally I believe mental illness is something to take into consideration.
It's just too easy to say "fry him".
My only argument with the death penalty is the possibility that we fry the wrong person. Barring that, I have zero problem with "legal murder". I'm down with an eye for an eye.

Since: Jan 10

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#83355 Apr 1, 2013
I feel for the killer the day he may be "well" and realizes what horrible things he did.

This week here locally we had the beginnings of the trial of the dad who killed all three of his young daughters to spite his wife. He even called her when he was done killing them to gloat about it. He's pleading guilty but mentally ill.

I am with Toj on the death penalty, for different reasons, and even I want to push this asshole off a cliff.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#83356 Apr 1, 2013
I see the usage of the death penalty as just another disconnect between all the noise I hear about the US being a christian nation and how we really behave.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#83357 Apr 1, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>My only argument with the death penalty is the possibility that we fry the wrong person. Barring that, I have zero problem with "legal murder". I'm down with an eye for an eye.
And I can understand that.

Toj

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#83358 Apr 1, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I feel for the killer the day he may be "well" and realizes what horrible things he did.
This week here locally we had the beginnings of the trial of the dad who killed all three of his young daughters to spite his wife. He even called her when he was done killing them to gloat about it. He's pleading guilty but mentally ill.
I am with Toj on the death penalty, for different reasons, and even I want to push this asshole off a cliff.
Oh, I would want to do all sorts of cruel and degrading things to THAT man.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83359 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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I know you don't like to let things like information and facts get in the way of what you say, but look at post #83323 for some basic math.
Oh, I thought those were rounded guestimation figures and not an actual mathematical calculation. My bad. And even with your "example," people have to spend most of their adult lives in prison in order for it to "break even." So, it's still basically cheaper to house them for life than to execute them.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83360 Apr 1, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
•Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
•The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
According to Sam, your estimates are WAY off.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#83361 Apr 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
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Oh, I would want to do all sorts of cruel and degrading things to THAT man.
But the idea of strapping him to a gurney and peacefully and painlessly ending his worthless existence makes you queasy?

I don't understand you people. It's wrong to execute someone but it's perfectly fine to let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, especially if there's a slim chance they might be innocent...

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#83362 Apr 1, 2013
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#83363 Apr 1, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!
Will your nephew go with her?

Toj

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#83364 Apr 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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But the idea of strapping him to a gurney and peacefully and painlessly ending his worthless existence makes you queasy?
I don't understand you people. It's wrong to execute someone but it's perfectly fine to let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, especially if there's a slim chance they might be innocent...
Wanting and doing are two different things.

I'd like to get millions of dollars from a bank. But would I? No. I'm not a thief and I don't take what's not mine. I don't really see a huge settlement nor a bequest from anyone in the near future either.

Since: Jan 10

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#83365 Apr 1, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>My only argument with the death penalty is the possibility that we fry the wrong person. Barring that, I have zero problem with "legal murder". I'm down with an eye for an eye.
Same here.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#83366 Apr 1, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Sister got a spot in the DV shelter!!!!!! No details yet...and a bunch of stuff to do still, but she will be getting the hellup out of m y house today!!!!!
Now that's something to celebrate! Good for you!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83367 Apr 1, 2013
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.p...
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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Where did that come from? I am genuinely interested in reading up on that.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83368 Apr 1, 2013
Hey! I went to Madison Wis...Twice!
squishymama wrote:
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Very cool!
The most exciting place I'll ever get sent to for my work is our farm in Hanover Park.
So have fun for me too.
:D

Since: Aug 08

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#83369 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.

Thoughts?
If Holmes subjectively felt spending life in jail was a worse fate than the death penalty, he wouldn't have offered to plea guilty in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table...

Since: Aug 08

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#83370 Apr 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I may or may not be a bleeding heart but I look at it more logically, not emotionally...

It's just too easy to say "fry him".
That's some really compelling logic ... about as compelling as this:

http://youtu.be/lj3iNxZ8Dww

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