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“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#83312 Apr 1, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
Good Morning All!
Thank you for the kinds words and support!
Today is a new day. My husband is home and we are taking the boys to "Big Wheels Day". The Township brings all of their vehicles to the mall and lets the kids sit in them and honk the horns. Police cars, ambulances, constructions vehicles, fire trucks, etc. It's very loud, but the kids love it. They have a dj and door prizes. The weather is beautiful today (almost 60 degrees) and I'm looking forward to it, too, although I will take some excedrin before we go :)
Sounds like someone should have some aspirin handy.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83313 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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That was absolutely horrible. I don't get why it happened. Players jump out like that all the time.

I hope that player for Louisville ends up being able to play again. If not, I really hope he is working on a real degree instead of something just to stay eligible.
My first thought was "Bone cancer? Calcium deficiency?" He has probably jumped like that hundreds of thousands of times in his life.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83314 Apr 1, 2013
So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.

Thoughts?

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83316 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.
Thoughts?
Hard to say, pretty much for the reasons you said. It's not like there's any danger of executing an innocent man, but the mandatory appeals process with the death penalty sucks up so much time and money. I'd probably be fine with him rotting in jail, too.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#83317 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.
Thoughts?
He did it. I'm not in favor of spending money on him either. At the same time, I don't think any State should put to death anyone as that is legalized murder. I do think rotting in jail for the rest of your life is a tougher sentence than a humane death.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#83318 Apr 1, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
So I just saw on CNN.com that the prosecutor in the James Holmes (Colorado shooter) case rejected a plea deal and says the State will move ahead and seek the death penalty. I have no problem with that since there is absolutely no question James Holmes did it. I am just on the fence as to which punishment is better. The death penalty is final and brings closure for the families and victims, and apparently Mr. Homes doesn't want to die, so I say off with his head. On the other hand, I think being in jail for the reset of your life would be perpetual hell for someone like him and I think that would be a more fitting trouble given all the grief he has caused. But then I don't want all that money and resources spent on him. In the end I'd prly vote for the death penalty, but I am on the fence.
Thoughts?
Death penalty cases have lots of automatic appeals. Holmes sounds like he could bring a pretty strong insanity defense.

I wonder if anyone has don a cost comparison of the amount neded to keep a healthy 25 year old in jail fr life as compared to teh costs of trial, appeal and frying him.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#83319 Apr 1, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Death penalty cases have lots of automatic appeals. Holmes sounds like he could bring a pretty strong insanity defense.
I wonder if anyone has don a cost comparison of the amount neded to keep a healthy 25 year old in jail fr life as compared to teh costs of trial, appeal and frying him.
Yes. It's actually cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to execute them.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#83320 Apr 1, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
He did it. I'm not in favor of spending money on him either. At the same time, I don't think any State should put to death anyone as that is legalized murder. I do think rotting in jail for the rest of your life is a tougher sentence than a humane death.
Bleeding heart. He wasn't too concerned about the humane treatment of his victims.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#83321 Apr 1, 2013
I think he's so mentally ill, all bets are off.

Meanwhile, I'm FB "Friends" with Caleb, the comedian who is still in the hospital and recovering (head wounds/brain injury). His wife was 8+ months pregnant when he was shot.

So I won't worry too much about the crazed shooter, because the innocent victims will suffer the rest of their lives.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#83322 Apr 1, 2013
•Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

•The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83323 Apr 1, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
Death penalty cases have lots of automatic appeals. Holmes sounds like he could bring a pretty strong insanity defense.
I wonder if anyone has don a cost comparison of the amount neded to keep a healthy 25 year old in jail fr life as compared to teh costs of trial, appeal and frying him.
It looks like it costs about $70,000/year to keep someone in maximum security. It also looks like it costs about $1-2.5MM to prosecute a death penalty case. This one would likely be toward the upper end due to the insanity defense issues. Say $2MM. Mr. Holmes is 25. If he lives to 54 (a real question mark given the nature of his crime and the likely willigness of another inmate to be the guy who offed the Colorado killer, plus Mr. Holmes does not seem to be the kind of person who would be able to play nice with the other prisners), then it's break even.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83324 Apr 1, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. It's actually cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to execute them.
Completely incomplete answer. It depends on the length of their incarceration.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#83325 Apr 1, 2013
Each person put to death on death row prevents another 18 murders from happening. multiply that 18 by all their associated costs, and it is really cheaper to off the 1st murderer
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. It's actually cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to execute them.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#83326 Apr 1, 2013
OMG, OMG, OMG...It's been confirmed. I leave for Chennai, India on June 7. Excited would be an understatement.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#83327 Apr 1, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
OMG, OMG, OMG...It's been confirmed. I leave for Chennai, India on June 7. Excited would be an understatement.
Cool for you!(sez teh one who has less than no interest in going there)

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#83328 Apr 1, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
•Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
•The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
What level was studied- a state? the US? Just wondering...

I mostly want this case done for the families so that they aren't subjected to teh details at appeal after appeal.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#83329 Apr 1, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
OMG, OMG, OMG...It's been confirmed. I leave for Chennai, India on June 7. Excited would be an understatement.
Will you be able to tack on any perosnal tourist time while you ar there?

That sounds really neat. If I am lucky my job lets me go to Quincy. I am envious. What does J have to say?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#83330 Apr 1, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
OMG, OMG, OMG...It's been confirmed. I leave for Chennai, India on June 7. Excited would be an understatement.
Very cool!

The most exciting place I'll ever get sent to for my work is our farm in Hanover Park.

So have fun for me too.
:D

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83331 Apr 1, 2013
RACE wrote:
Each person put to death on death row prevents another 18 murders from happening. <quoted text>
Where did that come from? I am genuinely interested in reading up on that.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#83332 Apr 1, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
OMG, OMG, OMG...It's been confirmed. I leave for Chennai, India on June 7. Excited would be an understatement.
Awesome.

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