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Here dahgts, read this and tell me it's all about safety:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/03/the-...

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Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't like the laws, take it up with the legislators.

If the only time you encounter law enforcement officers is when you get a ticket for failure to comply with a law (stupid as you think the law is), then consider yourself very lucky. You may not like when they try to be polite or civil during your interactions, but you would be much more upset if they were condescending or rude.

LEOs do so much more than write seat belt tickets. I am not saying that every officer is perfect, but each person they pull over could be the person who is going to pull a gun on them or run them over with their car. Each call they go on could be their last. They see the worst that humans can do to each other - the abuse people inflict on innocent children, the hate toward their neighbors, the harm that they do to themselves due to chemical abuse or mental illness. They have to be alert during their whole shift, then go home and compartmentalize so they can try to lead a healthy home life.

You may have a stressful job, but there is not a better than average chance that you will be placing yourself in harm's way everyday, while people treat you like garbage or see you as a target just because of your uniform. If you or your family needed help, you would probably call the police, right? So, maybe you should show them a little more respect, too.
If they weren't pulling people over when they aren't even driving unsafe they wouldn't have to worry about their safety during traffic stops. Despite what laws are police have a lot if discretion too, when it comes to who they pull over and issue tickets to. So it's not just the legislature.

Also, the helpful role police provide in society could be performed without the tax collector aspect they perform ... especially given that they are writing tickets in the vast majority of situations when there is nothing unsafe about the driving, as my article points out.

It's also a bit much to say they are all about my safety, when ticket writing goes up during financially difficult times and state and local is in need of revenue. Seems to me, it's far more about getting $$ from folks than keeping folks safe. It's a racket.
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Here dahgts, read this and tell me it's all about safety:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/03/the-...
I didn't say it was all about safety. Yes, the fines are exorbitant but that's not really a valid argument against tickets. You could be affected by someone else not wearing a seatbelt, or speeding. Worse injuries to another could cost you more in taxes or your medical insurance. This is one instance of a domino effect. I guess if the person dies that wouldn't affect you.

Hey, I like nothing more then going 70+ on I57 and I wish I could flash a sign in the back of my car that says "slower traffic stay right", but it's the idiots driving drunk, otherwise impaired, texting, cell use, etc. that can't handle all of the above while going 70+mph. They could all affect you while you're on the road.

Are you saying that ticketing is fine as long as the penalties weren't too high or that it should be a free for all on the road and no tickets? There have always been quotas, although long denied. I remember the good old days when I was young and cute and got out of several speeding tickets.

Your job depends on rules and regulations, doesn't it? And there are some potentially high costs for not following them ?

The cop that gave that seatbelt ticket was too zealous, if that's the word, another cop in the same scenario might not have.

My best friend's niece was killed by a kid speeding through a stop
sign on a rural road. She was a good and productive person. If he would have been stopped before that I really don't care if his fine was 5 bucks or a thousand.

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Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>If they weren't pulling people over when they aren't even driving unsafe they wouldn't have to worry about their safety during traffic stops. Despite what laws are police have a lot if discretion too, when it comes to who they pull over and issue tickets to. So it's not just the legislature.

Also, the helpful role police provide in society could be performed without the tax collector aspect they perform ... especially given that they are writing tickets in the vast majority of situations when there is nothing unsafe about the driving, as my article points out.

It's also a bit much to say they are all about my safety, when ticket writing goes up during financially difficult times and state and local is in need of revenue. Seems to me, it's far more about getting $$ from folks than keeping folks safe. It's a racket.
Their job is to enforce the law, hence the name Law Enforcement Officers. The politicians create the laws, supposedly as our representatives. Remember, the lowering of the national speed limit in 1974 was part of the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act.

The police have some discretion when it comes to writing tickets vs. giving warnings, but they do not create the laws. Checks and balances, you know?
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Jess in NJ wrote:
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You still didn't answer the question clearly. Stop pouting and show a little respect for the men and women who put themselves in harm's way every day to keep us safe and enforce the laws. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
Right, years ago, an ex SO, a CPD cop who did nothing but traffic, just sat on a city street waiting for speeders, told me how dangerous his job was. I smirked and said yeah, right. A few weeks after that two cops were killed during a traffic stop.

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Sub, this should give you a lot to rant about.:)

http://news.yahoo.com/ark-police-photograph-l...

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dahgts wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say it was all about safety. Yes, the fines are exorbitant but that's not really a valid argument against tickets. You could be affected by someone else not wearing a seatbelt, or speeding. Worse injuries to another could cost you more in taxes or your medical insurance. This is one instance of a domino effect. I guess if the person dies that wouldn't affect you.

Hey, I like nothing more then going 70+ on I57 and I wish I could flash a sign in the back of my car that says "slower traffic stay right", but it's the idiots driving drunk, otherwise impaired, texting, cell use, etc. that can't handle all of the above while going 70+mph. They could all affect you while you're on the road.

Are you saying that ticketing is fine as long as the penalties weren't too high or that it should be a free for all on the road and no tickets? There have always been quotas, although long denied. I remember the good old days when I was young and cute and got out of several speeding tickets.

Your job depends on rules and regulations, doesn't it? And there are some potentially high costs for not following them ?

The cop that gave that seatbelt ticket was too zealous, if that's the word, another cop in the same scenario might not have.

My best friend's niece was killed by a kid speeding through a stop
sign on a rural road. She was a good and productive person. If he would have been stopped before that I really don't care if his fine was 5 bucks or a thousand.
The autobahn has no speed limits and the accident rate is lower than on the US interstate system ... It's not about safety:

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question116086...

If drunks are a problem instead of random speed traps and ticketing folks who aren't even driving unsafe, but police outside of bars. It's illegal to drive drunk afterglow and police would just be doing their job, as Jess likes to point out, but they don't. Instead, they pick and choose what laws they want to enforce and to what extent.

My job is not parasitic. I don't make my living by making folks miserable. I picked my area in part because of this.

In terms of how I view tickets ... it's primarily a racket designed to increase revenue.

In terms if your niece, people are imperfect. There are going to be accidents regardless of what police do. The kid obviously didn't see the stop sign. Police enforcement isn't going to change that. It's not like people try to blow stop signs intentionally, unlike speeding.

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Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>Their job is to enforce the law, hence the name Law Enforcement Officers. The politicians create the laws, supposedly as our representatives. Remember, the lowering of the national speed limit in 1974 was part of the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act.

The police have some discretion when it comes to writing tickets vs. giving warnings, but they do not create the laws. Checks and balances, you know?
I never said they write the laws. They pick and chose which laws they will enforce, however, and how vigorously. It's known that pretty women get let off far more than men. If you are a cop and get pulled over, they let you off, more often than not. It's known that most folks leaving bars are drunk and if they focused on that half as much as they focus on pulling over folks speeding, we'd have a lot less drunk driving fatalities.

It's little more than a racket that some people make a living off of, IMO, while at the same time telling you it's for your own good.

I doubt we'll see eye to eye on the issue.

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<quoted text>Oh. Professional courtesy is only for law-breaking lawyers. Oh.
Nope. Opposing counsel virtually always have conversations with each other surrounding the case and possible settlement before they show up to court.

If you got a ticket and hired an attorney, do you think the first time your attorney talked to the prosecutor would be in court? If so, you need a new attorney.

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dahgts wrote:
Sub, this should give you a lot to rant about.:)

http://news.yahoo.com/ark-police-photograph-l...
I can't open it on my iPhone, but from the words in the link, I would probably think it's b.s. As I said, police are constantly seeking to trample the constitution in the name if public safety. I don't like that. Anyone who seeks to strip me of my constitutional rights is no friend of mine.

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dahgts wrote:
<quoted text>Right, years ago, an ex SO, a CPD cop who did nothing but traffic, just sat on a city street waiting for speeders, told me how dangerous his job was. I smirked and said yeah, right. A few weeks after that two cops were killed during a traffic stop.
This is one of the troopers whose family my husband's softball team does a benefit for. I am not saying that I always drive the speed limit, but don't complain to me about getting a ticket if you get caught.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/20413-trooper-mar...

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Nope. Opposing counsel virtually always have conversations with each other surrounding the case and possible settlement before they show up to court.
If you got a ticket and hired an attorney, do you think the first time your attorney talked to the prosecutor would be in court? If so, you need a new attorney.
I doubt any attorney fighting a regular traffic ticket would call the Asst. DA to talk about a speeding ticket, unless it was a person of special consideration (famous, politican, another lawyer, etc.)

Criminal case, yet -- traffic, no. Except maybe to get a continuance. And probably not even for that. I hope you're not counting talking to the DA or assist. DA the 1/2 before court is in session.

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"Criminal case, yet" should be "Criminal case, yes" Probably need more coffee.:)

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I can't open it on my iPhone, but from the words in the link, I would probably think it's b.s. As I said, police are constantly seeking to trample the constitution in the name if public safety. I don't like that. Anyone who seeks to strip me of my constitutional rights is no friend of mine.
I don't think they're trying to trample the Constitution. I think they're trying to get ahead and look good to their superiors. Sometimes, the Constitution gets in the way. I don't think they're many officers out there who are students of Constitutional law.

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<quoted text>I don't think they're trying to trample the Constitution. I think they're trying to get ahead and look good to their superiors. Sometimes, the Constitution gets in the way. I don't think they're many officers out there who are students of Constitutional law.
You mean they are not all Jamie Reagan on Blue Bloods? Damn, I thought TV was real...

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You mean they are not all Jamie Reagan on Blue Bloods? Damn, I thought TV was real...
:D The Constitution sure gets badgered about in a lot of conversations but I don't think that many people know the inside and outside of the Constitution. Plus, officers are suppose to enforce the law and it is up to the judge and jury to enforce. That's how our system is set up.

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Traffic tickets are all about generating revenue using "public safety" as a guise.

Are red light cameras about money or safety? Backseat seat-belt laws, money or safety?

Now there's a push in Illinois to ban talking on a phone while driving. Really? Will it also soon be illegal to talk to your passenger? Eat while you're driving? Change the radio station while driving?

This is getting out of hand. How many rights and freedoms are we willing to give up in the name of "public safety?"

Remember, speed limits were introduced to help ease the gas shortages back in the 70s. With today's fuel economy vehicles and advanced safety features, 55, even 65 mph speed limits are ridiculous. Not to mention that ALL seat-belt laws are a violation of an an individuals rights.

Now we're putting drones in the air to spy on private citizens.

Police state. Police state. The revolution is coming....

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<quoted text>I doubt any attorney fighting a regular traffic ticket would call the Asst. DA to talk about a speeding ticket, unless it was a person of special consideration (famous, politican, another lawyer, etc.)

Criminal case, yet -- traffic, no. Except maybe to get a continuance. And probably not even for that.
And your opinion is based in what? How do you know what is customary and not customary? Really?

I had some tickets when I was in high school and I know for a fact my attorney had a deal worked out before they showed up to court. My boss got a ticket in VA a few months ago ... same thing. His attorney pretty much told him its a racket.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no foundation to know what is customary or not.
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<quoted text>I hope you're not counting talking to the DA or assist. DA the 1/2 before court is in session.
Your sentence isn't comprehendible, but of course I will contact them before court. I was told to do so.

Both she and the bailiff were asking me why I didn't talk to them at the outset when they asked if any attorneys were there representing clients. They get to go first. I told them I wasn't representing a client and that's why I didn't come up there. I waited my turn, like everyone else. They said I shouldn't have. Lawyers go first.

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Wow. There must be a caffeine virus in the computers this morning.

My dad was a Chicago cop when I was growing up. It was scary sometimes to rive with him. When I learned to drive I realized just how scary it was.

The Autobahn is straight. I don't recall if it has a speed limit. AS may know- she has family there. There is also Autobahn Hypnosis, which comes from driving fast and straight for a long time and results in some nasty accidents.

I usually drive home after 8 when traffic has died down. Ambient speed on Chicago expressways is indeed 70. Th state cops who patrol (Chicago does not cover the expressways) go after the guys who are doing erratic things or who are not keeping with that ambient flow although I have never seen a slow person pulled over. Slow and weaving, yes. Just slow, no. Can't say about the surface streets. I avoid them until I get near home. Then we all know where the cops hang out and to keep the speed as close to limit as possible.

The company that Chicago contracted with for its Red Light Cameras had admitted bribing a Chicago official. They have just lost the contract which was worth about $100 mill to them .

One of eh NW suburbs, perhaps Schaumberg has taken dower its Red Light cameras because of eh legal hassles and expenses.

And, LC-- conspiring that you see the results of what happens when people don't use seat belts, I am really surprised at you.

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