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Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81632 Mar 3, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I can't open it on my iPhone, but from the words in the link, I would probably think it's b.s. As I said, police are constantly seeking to trample the constitution in the name if public safety. I don't like that. Anyone who seeks to strip me of my constitutional rights is no friend of mine.
I don't think they're trying to trample the Constitution. I think they're trying to get ahead and look good to their superiors. Sometimes, the Constitution gets in the way. I don't think they're many officers out there who are students of Constitutional law.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#81633 Mar 3, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think they're trying to trample the Constitution. I think they're trying to get ahead and look good to their superiors. Sometimes, the Constitution gets in the way. I don't think they're many officers out there who are students of Constitutional law.
You mean they are not all Jamie Reagan on Blue Bloods? Damn, I thought TV was real...

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81634 Mar 3, 2013

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81635 Mar 3, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
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You mean they are not all Jamie Reagan on Blue Bloods? Damn, I thought TV was real...
:D The Constitution sure gets badgered about in a lot of conversations but I don't think that many people know the inside and outside of the Constitution. Plus, officers are suppose to enforce the law and it is up to the judge and jury to enforce. That's how our system is set up.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81636 Mar 3, 2013
Traffic tickets are all about generating revenue using "public safety" as a guise.

Are red light cameras about money or safety? Backseat seat-belt laws, money or safety?

Now there's a push in Illinois to ban talking on a phone while driving. Really? Will it also soon be illegal to talk to your passenger? Eat while you're driving? Change the radio station while driving?

This is getting out of hand. How many rights and freedoms are we willing to give up in the name of "public safety?"

Remember, speed limits were introduced to help ease the gas shortages back in the 70s. With today's fuel economy vehicles and advanced safety features, 55, even 65 mph speed limits are ridiculous. Not to mention that ALL seat-belt laws are a violation of an an individuals rights.

Now we're putting drones in the air to spy on private citizens.

Police state. Police state. The revolution is coming....

Since: Aug 08

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#81637 Mar 3, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt any attorney fighting a regular traffic ticket would call the Asst. DA to talk about a speeding ticket, unless it was a person of special consideration (famous, politican, another lawyer, etc.)

Criminal case, yet -- traffic, no. Except maybe to get a continuance. And probably not even for that.
And your opinion is based in what? How do you know what is customary and not customary? Really?

I had some tickets when I was in high school and I know for a fact my attorney had a deal worked out before they showed up to court. My boss got a ticket in VA a few months ago ... same thing. His attorney pretty much told him its a racket.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no foundation to know what is customary or not.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you're not counting talking to the DA or assist. DA the 1/2 before court is in session.
Your sentence isn't comprehendible, but of course I will contact them before court. I was told to do so.

Both she and the bailiff were asking me why I didn't talk to them at the outset when they asked if any attorneys were there representing clients. They get to go first. I told them I wasn't representing a client and that's why I didn't come up there. I waited my turn, like everyone else. They said I shouldn't have. Lawyers go first.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81638 Mar 3, 2013
Wow. There must be a caffeine virus in the computers this morning.

My dad was a Chicago cop when I was growing up. It was scary sometimes to rive with him. When I learned to drive I realized just how scary it was.

The Autobahn is straight. I don't recall if it has a speed limit. AS may know- she has family there. There is also Autobahn Hypnosis, which comes from driving fast and straight for a long time and results in some nasty accidents.

I usually drive home after 8 when traffic has died down. Ambient speed on Chicago expressways is indeed 70. Th state cops who patrol (Chicago does not cover the expressways) go after the guys who are doing erratic things or who are not keeping with that ambient flow although I have never seen a slow person pulled over. Slow and weaving, yes. Just slow, no. Can't say about the surface streets. I avoid them until I get near home. Then we all know where the cops hang out and to keep the speed as close to limit as possible.

The company that Chicago contracted with for its Red Light Cameras had admitted bribing a Chicago official. They have just lost the contract which was worth about $100 mill to them .

One of eh NW suburbs, perhaps Schaumberg has taken dower its Red Light cameras because of eh legal hassles and expenses.

And, LC-- conspiring that you see the results of what happens when people don't use seat belts, I am really surprised at you.

Since: Aug 08

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#81639 Mar 3, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think they're trying to trample the Constitution. I think they're trying to get ahead and look good to their superiors. Sometimes, the Constitution gets in the way. I don't think they're many officers out there who are students of Constitutional law.
Police organizations speak out all the time when it comes to court cases where the police have trampled on the constitution.

Since: Aug 08

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#81640 Mar 3, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Now we're putting drones in the air to spy on private citizens.
Exactly ... this is what I'm talking about.

And stuff like this:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/goog...

They only comply with googles rules cause many companies just turn stuff over and they know if they fought google they'd lose if it went up to the Supreme Court. The police give a f' about the constitution. The 4th is in there to protect us from THEM!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81641 Mar 3, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Traffic tickets are all about generating revenue using "public safety" as a guise.
Are red light cameras about money or safety? Backseat seat-belt laws, money or safety?
Now there's a push in Illinois to ban talking on a phone while driving. Really? Will it also soon be illegal to talk to your passenger? Eat while you're driving? Change the radio station while driving?
This is getting out of hand. How many rights and freedoms are we willing to give up in the name of "public safety?"
Remember, speed limits were introduced to help ease the gas shortages back in the 70s. With today's fuel economy vehicles and advanced safety features, 55, even 65 mph speed limits are ridiculous. Not to mention that ALL seat-belt laws are a violation of an an individuals rights.
Now we're putting drones in the air to spy on private citizens.
Police state. Police state. The revolution is coming....
And good morning to you, too, my little chirping chickadee of governmental optimism.

We had speed limits before the Arab Oil Crisis. The limit was dropped to 55 to save gas.That was 1973 as I recall.

You must not have been reading the papers- Instead of fixing the pension crisis, Springfield actually did have a bill a year or so ago to ban eating , drinking coffee etc as part of the Distracted Driving statutes. BTW, hands free cell phone use is okay.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81642 Mar 3, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Their job is to enforce the law, hence the name Law Enforcement Officers. The politicians create the laws, supposedly as our representatives. Remember, the lowering of the national speed limit in 1974 was part of the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act.
The police have some discretion when it comes to writing tickets vs. giving warnings, but they do not create the laws. Checks and balances, you know?
Warning: Sublime length post ahead...

Some cops have serious superiority attitudes, others, most I think, are just people doing their job.

I've only ever had two tickets both of which were justified, even though unnecessary. The first, I was driving through King City, California, flat highway, no traffic, sunny day, great road conditions. I was going 75 but it was still during the federal 55 MPH limit days.

Yep he got me, my bad. After they lifted the 55 MPH thing, that particular stretch of highway is now 75 MPH, so I was driving safely, it's just that there was that stupid 55 MPH thing going on. <shrug>

The second time, it was Christmas Eve, 1990 (I think) I was waiting to get into the left turn lane. TONS of traffic. I am not the only one who crossed the double yellow line JUST A TINY BIT to get into the turn lane (with no oncoming traffic...really it was safe to do) but *I* am the one he ticketed. I wasn't happy, but it was legitimate.

When my house was broken into they were all very nice and helpful. When Chris died the one cop that I was dealing with was a tool, the other cop at the hospital said (VERY brusquely) "well he's still alive" with no compassion at all, like he was just writing a report instead of talking to a grieving mother.

Another time, Chris, his dad and I had been to the fair. His dad got really drunk and we had a fight after we got home. Yes, I know, don't fight with a drunk...anyway, someone called the cops. By the time they got there it was all over and everything was good. "Fight" means "argument," not anything physical.

Anyway, this one cop got all in *my* face, even though I was being very cooperative. He was definitely in the wrong with his attitude. Finally I said "you know they give you a badge, a gun, and a little stick to play with and you think you can do anything you want to do." He said "I can and I think I am going to arrest you for public drunkenness (we were on the front porch)." I sooooo wanted him to (I was younger and more feisty) because I hadn't had a drink in like 5 years.

Another time we'd bought a car and needed to take it for emissions before we could get tabs (registration) so we bought a trip permit to get to the emissions place. Stupid car (I told him NOT to buy it) broke down on the side of the highway. A cop stopped to check on us and I told her we were waiting on AAA and offered to show her the trip permit, she said "it's cool, just making sure you were safe."

Once I got stopped for a brake light not working. I knew about it, I just hadn't gotten it fixed. The reason I didn't even get a fix it ticket, and the cop was *very* nice to me, I am certain is because the car was a Jag and I was in that particular part of town.

If I'd been driving a broken down Toyota or Chevy, it would have been different. If I'd been in a sketchy part of town he might have though I was some rich (as if) bit** slumming it to score a bag of something. It was just the right car in the right part of town with the right cop on duty so all he did was tell me to get it fixed asap. <shrug>

So I think it depends a lot on the particular cop, the day they are having, the people they are dealing with, the alignment of the stars on any given day....and a bunch of other stuff. I think overall most cops are just doing a job that I know *I* wouldn't want the best that they can. Most of them.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81643 Mar 3, 2013
WTH? It's not letting me post. Testing, testing, 123, testing...

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81644 Mar 3, 2013
Warning: Sublime length post ahead...

Some cops have serious superiority attitudes, others, most I think, are just people doing their job.

I've only ever had two tickets both of which were justified, even though unnecessary. The first, I was driving through King City, California, flat highway, no traffic, sunny day, great road conditions. I was going 75 but it was still during the federal 55 MPH limit days.

Yep he got me, my bad. After they lifted the 55 MPH thing, that particular stretch of highway is now 75 MPH, so I was driving safely, it's just that there was that stupid 55 MPH thing going on. <shrug>

The second time, it was Christmas Eve, 1990 (I think) I was waiting to get into the left turn lane. TONS of traffic. I am not the only one who crossed the double yellow line JUST A TINY BIT to get into the turn lane (with no oncoming traffic...really it was safe to do) but *I* am the one he ticketed. I wasn't happy, but it was legitimate.

When my house was broken into they were all very nice and helpful. When Chris died the one cop that I was dealing with was a tool, the other cop at the hospital said (VERY brusquely) "well he's still alive" with no compassion at all, like he was just writing a report instead of talking to a grieving mother.

Another time, Chris, his dad and I had been to the fair. His dad got really drunk and we had a fight after we got home. Yes, I know, don't fight with a drunk...anyway, someone called the cops. By the time they got there it was all over and everything was good. "Fight" means "argument," not anything physical.

Anyway, this one cop got all in *my* face, even though I was being very cooperative. He was definitely in the wrong with his attitude. Finally I said "you know they give you a badge, a gun, and a little stick to play with and you think you can do anything you want to do." He said "I can and I think I am going to arrest you for public drunkenness (we were on the front porch)." I sooooo wanted him to (I was younger and more feisty) because I hadn't had a drink in like 5 years.

Another time we'd bought a car and needed to take it for emissions before we could get tabs (registration) so we bought a trip permit to get to the emissions place. Stupid car (I told him NOT to buy it) broke down on the side of the highway. A cop stopped to check on us and I told her we were waiting on AAA and offered to show her the trip permit, she said "it's cool, just making sure you were safe."

Once I got stopped for a brake light not working. I knew about it, I just hadn't gotten it fixed. The reason I didn't even get a fix it ticket, and the cop was *very* nice to me, I am certain is because the car was a Jag and I was in that particular part of town.

If I'd been driving a broken down Toyota or Chevy, it would have been different. If I'd been in a sketchy part of town he might have though I was some rich (as if) bit** slumming it to score a bag of something. It was just the right car in the right part of town with the right cop on duty so all he did was tell me to get it fixed asap. <shrug>

So I think it depends a lot on the particular cop, the day they are having, the people they are dealing with, the alignment of the stars on any given day....and a bunch of other stuff. I think overall most cops are just doing a job that I know *I* wouldn't want the best that they can. Most of them.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81645 Mar 3, 2013
Sorry about the multiple posting guys...

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Des Plaines, IL

#81647 Mar 3, 2013
re teh autobahn, hte whole, national system is called the autobahn, kinda like we have hte interstate system here. there are straight streches of road and curvy ones, some in flat land, some in the mountains. there are rules about it, and there are speed limits in sections and for some types of vehicles. if you get caught over the limit, i think they throw hte book at you. but, in general, german society is rather structured, so it works ok for them. one of the finable offenses is running out of fuel...

in hte more urban areas, like from the airport to teh city, there are speed limits, and they're reasonable. there is a spot between the munich airport and hte city that has no speed limit, but there are in the city area.

my brohter wants to rent a corvette or something like that and take it out into the country and let it rip before they move back here... why a corvette, i really don't know....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81648 Mar 3, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Traffic tickets are all about generating revenue using "public safety" as a guise.
Are red light cameras about money or safety? Backseat seat-belt laws, money or safety?
Now there's a push in Illinois to ban talking on a phone while driving. Really? Will it also soon be illegal to talk to your passenger? Eat while you're driving? Change the radio station while driving?
This is getting out of hand. How many rights and freedoms are we willing to give up in the name of "public safety?"
Remember, speed limits were introduced to help ease the gas shortages back in the 70s. With today's fuel economy vehicles and advanced safety features, 55, even 65 mph speed limits are ridiculous. Not to mention that ALL seat-belt laws are a violation of an an individuals rights.
Now we're putting drones in the air to spy on private citizens.
Police state. Police state. The revolution is coming....
Red light cameras are about money. I read something a while back that said they are actually more dangerous because people are aware of them and will do stuff like stopping short at a yellow light where before they would have just gone through it instead of stopping suddenly which could cause a rear-end accident because the car behind them is unprepared, etc. There were other examples, but that's the only one I really remember. This was a couple years ago and I can't remember what the website was, but I'm sure it can be googled.

There is already a no-takling/texting law in WA. As many clueless peple as I see talking while they are supposed to be driving...I support it. It's a secondary offense, so they can't pull you over JUST for that, but they can always find something and even though that's kinda underhanded, I support it.

Some places it *is* illegal to eat while driving. j/s

Seatbelts, by and large, are better than no seatbelts. My niece however was in a major accident when she was 18. The reason she lived through it was that she was NOT wearing a seatbelt and was thrown clear. Massive injuries, and her foot will never be "right" but she lived. Her daughter was strapped in a car seat hanging upside down (car flipped) and is a smart ass 17 year old today. If they'd been wearing seatbelts Shawna and the other passengers would have been decapitated, apparently. so there's that. <shrug>

I always thought the 55 MPH thing was stupid. Even 60 would have been less burdensome and still saved fuel. Ahhh Nixon. Damn conservatives. ;-)

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81649 Mar 3, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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I always thought the 55 MPH thing was stupid. Even 60 would have been less burdensome and still saved fuel. Ahhh Nixon. Damn conservatives. ;-)
Don't forget ( or perhaps remember to remember ) that he also put in wage and price freezes and controls... Da*m conservatives.

(I was there. I remember)

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81650 Mar 3, 2013
I fully support no texting while driving.

But I CANNOT support no talking while driving.

...unless I'm riding with a woman...

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81651 Mar 3, 2013
PEllen wrote:
You must not have been reading the papers- Instead of fixing the pension crisis, Springfield actually did have a bill a year or so ago to ban eating , drinking coffee etc as part of the Distracted Driving statutes.
I read everything. There was a push by the party YOU support to ban drive-thrus for this reason.

I'll support a law that requires our Mindless Leaders to fix the budget problem FIRST before making any anymore right-violating laws.

But as long as you keep voting for the same people, don't expect anything to change.. or get better.

At least it's not illegal to be illegal anymore.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#81653 Mar 3, 2013
You know, I know the police are a necessary evil, but I am the last person who needs a schooling on seat belt use.
It was well worth 60 bucks just to tell that cop to his face that I would see him in court, And he had no right to tell me to shut up in response to my glee.
I've had a lot of dealings with the police. Mostly in the ER when they come in with their curly tails between their legs accompanied by peole who are under arrest.
That is the one place that I find where they are extremely well behaved. I think it's because they are out of their element and have absolutely no authority or control in those places.

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