“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81318 Feb 26, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
And that color is SO YOU, Sub!
Python? As in Monty or the snake?

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81319 Feb 26, 2013
Just got back from lunch at Keefer's, had the lobster bisque and the lobster blt. Totally worth going out in the snow for.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81320 Feb 26, 2013
RACE wrote:
And I say she is standing on semantics, and she really means that people who have a faith are dumb for having faith, and even dumber if the have the same one their parents do.
She is trying to split hairs and appear polite about calling some people stupid.
And I dont care if she disputes that, because you wont change my mind about her intent.
<quoted text>
That's your persecution complex talking.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81321 Feb 26, 2013
Aisle Sitter wrote:
So, it's winter here in chicago, and as some of you might be aware we get snow storms here every now and again... the class whiner has been carrying on for at least an hour and a half about how this person and that person is driving an says the roads are crap, and she's taking her "lunch" late and just going home...(and that's a long lunch she's planning as well) not sure how much longer before i snap at her...
I now return you to your regular programming...
Every office has one of those, and they are in full revelry today. A few people here have already sarcastically asked our if she just moved here from down south which only provokes her to escalate. "Oh I just bet the trains are going to be delayed and my husband is going to be late picking me up and I just know the neighbors aren't going to shovel their full half of the driveway and blah blah blah."

I feel your pain. Good luck. If you do snap, make it YouTube-worthy.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#81322 Feb 26, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
I will say that, at least here, it's a weird mix of rain, sleet, and snow that just sucks. I'm not really looking forward to driving home today. The salt trucks were out in full force this morning, but it was raining so hard I'm sure it just washed everthing away.*shrug* We'll see when the time comes, I guess. Thank goodness for all wheel drive.
Some towns spread a slurry of molasses and salt that spreads farther, coats better and doesn't use as much salt.

Nonetheless- Yuk

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#81323 Feb 26, 2013
Mine is the "come in late, gab for an hour, take a long lunch, leave early and complain about how busy/how much she has to do" variety... and when she's "really busy" she snaps at others and is really rude to tehm for no reason (like she ever has one).

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81324 Feb 26, 2013
But you cant say that it is or isn't because you just dont know.
If 80% in a demographic is a particular religion, you cannot say that they all failed to use critical thinking when choosing that religion. Nor can you say that any one of their children fails to use critical thinking if they choose to also accept that religion.

I dont believe that if each person were to take a crash course in world religions, the the #'s would magically blend into a perfect pie chart of religions, with each religion having an equal # of followers.

Yes, parents, tradition, friends all play a role, but you cannot blindly say that because someone has the faith of their community, they have failed to think, or analyze, or whatever you want to call it.

Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
And that's where Sam, Tonka, and I point out that one's religion is largely determined according to where one is born and what the predominant religion is in that area or what your parents religion is.
To have faith in religion that you likely wouldn't have ANY faith in if we just change one variable in your life, i.e. where you were born or what your parent's religion is, is why we say this is not an exercise of critical thinking, especially when you consider the amount of time, effort, and money many people spend on religious pursuits.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#81325 Feb 26, 2013
It's snowing like crazy in the Loop. It didn't start here, though, until around noon or so.

Where I live it started around 10:30 this morning and has been really snowing ever since.

It'll be interesting commute home.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#81326 Feb 26, 2013
Interesting articles on the religion and smart people subject

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/scie...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/national/23...

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81327 Feb 26, 2013
RACE wrote:
But you cant say that it is or isn't because you just dont know.
<quoted text>
Never stopped you. You and blanket assertions are not strangers.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#81328 Feb 26, 2013
RACE wrote:
But you cant say that it is or isn't because you just dont know.
If 80% in a demographic is a particular religion, you cannot say that they all failed to use critical thinking when choosing that religion. Nor can you say that any one of their children fails to use critical thinking if they choose to also accept that religion.
I dont believe that if each person were to take a crash course in world religions, the the #'s would magically blend into a perfect pie chart of religions, with each religion having an equal # of followers.
Yes, parents, tradition, friends all play a role, but you cannot blindly say that because someone has the faith of their community, they have failed to think, or analyze, or whatever you want to call it.
<quoted text>
The word I would use to describe it is "arbitrary."

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81329 Feb 26, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, neither of us has said that religious folks are incapable of independent thought.
That is EXACTLY what you are saying and I will not get drawn into an argument on your back-pedaling. If what you *mean* is being misinterpreted, then maybe you (ALL of you, you, sam, maybe even tonks if he's on this bandwagon) should restate your position in a clearer manner.

Do people choose faith? Or are they "mindlessly" following what others have told them?

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#81330 Feb 26, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
Interesting articles on the religion and smart people subject
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/scie...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/national/23...
Stephen Hawking believes in God. He mentions God a few times in "A Brief History of Time." He doesn't see a conflict in believing in God and in following science.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#81331 Feb 26, 2013
RACE wrote:
But you cant say that it is or isn't because you just dont know.
If 80% in a demographic is a particular religion, you cannot say that they all failed to use critical thinking when choosing that religion. Nor can you say that any one of their children fails to use critical thinking if they choose to also accept that religion.
I dont believe that if each person were to take a crash course in world religions, the the #'s would magically blend into a perfect pie chart of religions, with each religion having an equal # of followers.
Yes, parents, tradition, friends all play a role, but you cannot blindly say that because someone has the faith of their community, they have failed to think, or analyze, or whatever you want to call it.
<quoted text>
Sure you can say that. Why not?

I think what you are stating is that either it isn't accurate or that you would not know the accuracy of such a statement.

So which one? Is it inaccurate or that we do not know the accuracy of that statement and that's the issue?

Since: Aug 08

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#81332 Feb 26, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
That is EXACTLY what you are saying and I will not get drawn into an argument on your back-pedaling. If what you *mean* is being misinterpreted, then maybe you (ALL of you, you, sam, maybe even tonks if he's on this bandwagon) should restate your position in a clearer manner.
Do people choose faith? Or are they "mindlessly" following what others have told them?
One's religious choice is completely arbitrary in the vast majority of circumstances. You take that "fact" and interpret it however you wish.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#81333 Feb 26, 2013
"Survey studies show that the great majority of Americans raised in particular denomination remain members after they become adults. But of persons who report that the religious affiliation of their parents
was "none," less than 40 percent remained without a religious affiliation when they grew up. Thus, the majority of offspring of "nones" convert to some religion (Kluegel, 1980)."

source: page 47-48
"The Future of Religion: Secularization, Revival, and Cult Formation,"
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-...

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81334 Feb 26, 2013
From my POV both.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure you can say that. Why not?
I think what you are stating is that either it isn't accurate or that you would not know the accuracy of such a statement.
So which one? Is it inaccurate or that we do not know the accuracy of that statement and that's the issue?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81335 Feb 26, 2013
Fine, I interpret that to mean that you believe religious choice is based upon the arbitrary condition of how the feel in their heart.

Win/Win.
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
One's religious choice is completely arbitrary in the vast majority of circumstances. You take that "fact" and interpret it however you wish.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81336 Feb 26, 2013
Your like one of those stupid little dogs that bite at a persons heels. But I know your not little.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
<quoted text>
Never stopped you. You and blanket assertions are not strangers.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#81337 Feb 26, 2013
RACE wrote:
Fine, I interpret that to mean that you believe religious choice is based upon the arbitrary condition of how the feel in their heart.
Win/Win.
<quoted text>
Arbitrary: Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

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