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#81256
Feb 25, 2013
 
Heck today's Carolyn hax column today is about a woman who can't marry her boyfriend because she needs a partner who shares her belief system and her boyfriend is an atheist. I just now saw a recent comment from someone saying that she was raised catholic and did confirmation at 13 because that's what you do. I remember the catholic kids in my public junior high being rounded up to head to catechism class, to be bussed together in another town, after school, once a week. No schools had sports events on Thursday nights because that was catechism night for everyone.

There really wasn't a choice. If you were catholic and your parents signed you up, you went.

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#81257
Feb 25, 2013
 
wow you guys were busy today...

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#81258
Feb 25, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
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No, that's what you want to put in her mouth. She's said it over and over. A person who was raised in a certain religion is most likely going to remain a member of that religion. That's fact. You want to read insult.
You were raised as some sort of Christian. Besides slim and none, what were the chances of you ever becoming a Jew? A Muslim? Sure, at confirmation, you CHOSE to remain a part of the church, but did you really?
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No, I admit that that is what the sacrament of confirmation is billed as. But I don't really buy it. At 13, you're joust sticking with the curriculum.
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To an extent, yes. I never thought about it. I just went with what I was taught. Once I left home, going to church tapered off real quick. I still identify as catholic, not because I made any choice, but simply because I don't give it much thought.
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Sure they can. Never said they couldn't.
<quoted text> Sure. Why not.
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No. I'm just apthetic. Don't care that much.
Does that make me the exception that proves the rule? What about my older daughter who went to Sunday school from K-8thgrade, went though Confirmation class and decided she chose not to make a profession of faith? Its been 13 years and she shows no sign of following the path that our church laid out.

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#81259
Feb 25, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Does that make me the exception that proves the rule? What about my older daughter who went to Sunday school from K-8thgrade, went though Confirmation class and decided she chose not to make a profession of faith? Its been 13 years and she shows no sign of following the path that our church laid out.
You tell me? Do you think she's the exception or the rule? Do you think Race is giving typical 13 year olds too much credit in making this CHOICE or have I not given them enough
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#81261
Feb 25, 2013
 
it stinks in here
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#81262
Feb 25, 2013
 
chittown is right
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#81263
Feb 25, 2013
 
flush once in awhile

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Feb 26, 2013
 

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#81265
Feb 26, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
Matilda(or jam) made some comment about having to entertain him. I don't see it that way. If I have visitors, I don't feel any need to entertain them. In-laws, parents, sister, cousin, whoever. They are just exra people who happen to be under my roof for some period of time. I go about my normal business. I don't play host. If I have a game to watch, guess what, they can watch too. Another set of eyes in the room is not going to bother me. But I am not responsible for entertaining you. I say this mainly about family. And if family brings someone with them, that's their job to entertain, not mine.
Totally agree. Maybe Matilda would deal with their occasional visits better if she didn't feel a need to "entertain" them. They're quite capable of entertaining themselves.

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#81266
Feb 26, 2013
 
Good morning all! My birthday is over and this morning I get to take my four year old to the dentist to have 2 cavities filled. Can we turn back the clock to yesterday?

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#81267
Feb 26, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
You guys keep saying that a 13 cant really choose, but they can. They choose to join a church, like they choose to join the football team. They may not last in that church or on that team, but its never a lifetime commitment unless you choose to make it one. The kid can always join another church, or switch to the basketball team. But they are indeed making that choice, no matter how little or fully educated about all the choices available.
Let me put it this way -- at 13 can you choose where you live? If not, you are dependent upon those who supply that roof and therefore a lot of your choices.

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#81268
Feb 26, 2013
 
Squishy -- that name of the personality between introvert and extrovert does seem perfectly Tonka.

Jess -- I hope you enjoyed your birthday.

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Since: Feb 09

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#81269
Feb 26, 2013
 
Ok, but then why do they stay in it? At some point they must have considered leaving?
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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But there are families and fAith communities tha are overbearing and deviating from their expectations would not be accepted. Kids figure this put early on.

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#81270
Feb 26, 2013
 

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She is not raising a point, she is simply saying that people who have a faith are too dumb to think for themselves.

No, that's what you want to put in her mouth. She's said it over and over. A person who was raised in a certain religion is most likely going to remain a member of that religion. That's fact. You want to read insult.

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but my criticism comes in when they are of a certain faith just because of tradition and not because of any critical thinking, including the consideration of other faiths.

Sorry tonka, but I dont believe sam has the "right" to "Judge" or Critisize" anyones religious choices
To even suggest that you can denounce another's religious beliefs based upon your own personal standard is an example of extreme arrogance.

Sure, he can have his opinion, but it should be stated as such, not projected as final fact or authority.

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#81271
Feb 26, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
On to lighter fare....
I watched the whole oscars show last night. I rarely see an Oscar movie so now I'm thinking of trying to watch movies alone at home.
Or tv shows. I never saw freaks and geeks. So ma ny cast members have gone on to have good careers. Did anyone here watch it?
Freaks and Geeks is a fantastic show. Only lasted a season, but I can't recommend it enough. Every few years, I re-watch it.

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#81272
Feb 26, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>how much time would that be?
I don't know...6, 8 weeks? Over resonable breaks?

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Since: Sep 09

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#81273
Feb 26, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Matilda's husband could be taking this personally, as in she doesn't want HIS SISTER to visit. I think framing more as an "I don't want house guests once a month no matter WHO they are."
Matilda... Just wondering, what's your sister been up to lately?
She came and visited us for a long weekend at the end of January for her 30th. I freaked out then, because no sooner do we ship the SIL and fiance back to school and she's like "I want to come stay for a week." Ended up to be a really fun time, and only 3.5 days or so, but leading up to it, I was freaking the hell out. So J knows it's not *just* his sister.

We had a more rational discussion of it yesterday. I think we're closer to an understanding. I don't know if that's going to accomplish anything, but I feel like I'm being heard a little bit.

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#81274
Feb 26, 2013
 
It lasted only one season? Wow, I had no idea. That should be an easy show to watch in a short time, then.

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#81275
Feb 26, 2013
 
Even if they dropped in for say, a day or just overnight, it would be infinitely less stressful for me than them showing up an hour after I get off work on Friday and staying until 9:00 Sunday night.

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#81276
Feb 26, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
It lasted only one season? Wow, I had no idea. That should be an easy show to watch in a short time, then.
Yeah, and then there's Undeclared, which has a lot of the same people and also lasted a season, maybe two. Also pretty good. It's no Freaks and Geeks, though.

F&G, could, I guess be classified as a drama, but it doesn't take itself too seriously. The kids are *roughly* high school age for the most part. Also, fantastic soundtrack. It's set in 1980-ish. I feel like it's the most realistic show about high school.

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