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#81244 Feb 25, 2013
You mean to tell me that you did not know you had a choice?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe your experience was differnt than mine, but I don't consider what went down to be a choice. I went to cathlolic school for 12 years. There was never anyone asking me if I wanted to be confirmed. It was just the next step on the ladder. It was assumed. It was part of the program/regimen/curriculum.

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#81245 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
You guys keep saying that a 13 cant really choose, but they can. They choose to join a church, like they choose to join the football team. They may not last in that church or on that team, but its never a lifetime commitment unless you choose to make it one. The kid can always join another church, or switch to the basketball team. But they are indeed making that choice, no matter how little or fully educated about all the choices available.
But there are families and fAith communities tha are overbearing and deviating from their expectations would not be accepted. Kids figure this put early on.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81246 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
I think I am right on the tightrope of introvert/extrovert. I don't need alone time. I don't feel drained by being around people. But at the same time, I have no need to be around others. I would do fine living alone.
Dickie and I heard a radio story about salespeople (that was the only reason he was paying attention) and the interviewee described the best sales folks as ambiverts.

Basically they roll with the flow; sounds a lot like you.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81247 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
She is not raising a point, she is simply saying that people who have a faith are too dumb to think for themselves.
No, that's what you want to put in her mouth. She's said it over and over. A person who was raised in a certain religion is most likely going to remain a member of that religion. That's fact. You want to read insult.

You were raised as some sort of Christian. Besides slim and none, what were the chances of you ever becoming a Jew? A Muslim? Sure, at confirmation, you CHOSE to remain a part of the church, but did you really?
RACE wrote:
You keep saying that a 13yr does not really choose, but you admit that they are in fact choosing.
No, I admit that that is what the sacrament of confirmation is billed as. But I don't really buy it. At 13, you're joust sticking with the curriculum.
RACE wrote:
sam says that choosing the religion of your parents is the product of an unthinking person. Do you agree with that?
To an extent, yes. I never thought about it. I just went with what I was taught. Once I left home, going to church tapered off real quick. I still identify as catholic, not because I made any choice, but simply because I don't give it much thought.
RACE wrote:
Cant a person choose to follow the same faith as their parents? Why cant they?
Sure they can. Never said they couldn't.
RACE wrote:
You call yourself a catholic, but not a practicing one. Are you just too lazy to call yourself something else?
Sure. Why not.
RACE wrote:
You are choosing to remain a catholic, even if only in name. Why? Were you so indoctrinated as a child that now, even as a grown ass man, you cannot choose something else,
No. I'm just apthetic. Don't care that much.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81248 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
You mean to tell me that you did not know you had a choice?
<quoted text>
Again, perhaps your experience was different. I went to Catholic school. Religion class every day. Morning prayers. School assembly mass for special events. Good friday. Ash Wednesday. Church on Sunday. Being catholic was just a way of life.

Did I know I had a choice? Sure. That's what confirmation is. YOU making the choice for you. But when you grew up not really learning about any other options religion wise, what other choice would you make? What reason would you have for not wanting to get confirmed, especially when the other 59 kids in class are getting confirmed? What would your motivation be to opt out and disappoint your parents who are, just like everyone at school, making a big big deal out of it? Other than rebellion, I'm not seeing a reason. I'm not seeing many 13 year olds critically analyzing this CHOICE. If you knew a majority of 13 year olds who were, you knew a lot more mature and self aware 13 year olds than I grew up with.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81249 Feb 25, 2013
squishymama wrote:
<quoted text>
Dickie and I heard a radio story about salespeople (that was the only reason he was paying attention) and the interviewee described the best sales folks as ambiverts.
Basically they roll with the flow; sounds a lot like you.
New term. I like it.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81250 Feb 25, 2013
Except the part about being good in sales. I'd starve if I had to convince people to buy stuff from me.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81251 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
New term. I like it.
I thought you might.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81252 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Except the part about being good in sales. I'd starve if I had to convince people to buy stuff from me.
Me too. Or have a nervous breakdown.

But the author seemed to think we're all salespeople, selling ourselves or getting people to do what we want. You do a pretty good job of doing that here.

Oh, I found where Dickie wrote the book title down (he's gonna use it to look like the smarty pants at work).

To Sell is Human by David Pink

Since: Jan 10

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#81253 Feb 25, 2013
I've had a few salespeople tr to hire me. I love talking to strangers.

I have no desire to sell stuff to people, meet quotas, etc.

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I was raised Lutheran. We quit going to church when I was 10. My mom loves to sleep in on the weekends. Church interfered with that. But she became lutheran(from catholic) to marry my dad. that religion didn't mean much to her. If dad had become catholic, I'm sure we would have been raised catholic and we would have kept going to church longer.

Then around age 20 I met and dated a Jew just as I was starting to be interested in being a part of a religious community. I knew I didn't believe in Jesus, so Judaism was a logical leap. I took a year of Hebrew classes and a year of Judaism clases and converted.

Within a few years, I no longer believed any of the Jude's Christian belief system. Looked into Buddhism. It offers a lot and is by far my forte religion, and s
One of the least harmful of the major religions.

Now I'm nothing but human and I'm very comfortable with that.

Since: Jan 10

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#81254 Feb 25, 2013
Judeo Christian, rather. iPad autocorrect.

Since: Jan 10

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#81255 Feb 25, 2013
On to lighter fare....
I watched the whole oscars show last night. I rarely see an Oscar movie so now I'm thinking of trying to watch movies alone at home.
Or tv shows. I never saw freaks and geeks. So ma ny cast members have gone on to have good careers. Did anyone here watch it?

Since: Jan 10

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#81256 Feb 25, 2013
Heck today's Carolyn hax column today is about a woman who can't marry her boyfriend because she needs a partner who shares her belief system and her boyfriend is an atheist. I just now saw a recent comment from someone saying that she was raised catholic and did confirmation at 13 because that's what you do. I remember the catholic kids in my public junior high being rounded up to head to catechism class, to be bussed together in another town, after school, once a week. No schools had sports events on Thursday nights because that was catechism night for everyone.

There really wasn't a choice. If you were catholic and your parents signed you up, you went.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Des Plaines, IL

#81257 Feb 25, 2013
wow you guys were busy today...

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81258 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that's what you want to put in her mouth. She's said it over and over. A person who was raised in a certain religion is most likely going to remain a member of that religion. That's fact. You want to read insult.
You were raised as some sort of Christian. Besides slim and none, what were the chances of you ever becoming a Jew? A Muslim? Sure, at confirmation, you CHOSE to remain a part of the church, but did you really?
<quoted text>
No, I admit that that is what the sacrament of confirmation is billed as. But I don't really buy it. At 13, you're joust sticking with the curriculum.
<quoted text>
To an extent, yes. I never thought about it. I just went with what I was taught. Once I left home, going to church tapered off real quick. I still identify as catholic, not because I made any choice, but simply because I don't give it much thought.
<quoted text>
Sure they can. Never said they couldn't.
<quoted text> Sure. Why not.
<quoted text>
No. I'm just apthetic. Don't care that much.
Does that make me the exception that proves the rule? What about my older daughter who went to Sunday school from K-8thgrade, went though Confirmation class and decided she chose not to make a profession of faith? Its been 13 years and she shows no sign of following the path that our church laid out.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81259 Feb 25, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Does that make me the exception that proves the rule? What about my older daughter who went to Sunday school from K-8thgrade, went though Confirmation class and decided she chose not to make a profession of faith? Its been 13 years and she shows no sign of following the path that our church laid out.
You tell me? Do you think she's the exception or the rule? Do you think Race is giving typical 13 year olds too much credit in making this CHOICE or have I not given them enough
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#81261 Feb 25, 2013
it stinks in here
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#81262 Feb 25, 2013
chittown is right
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#81263 Feb 25, 2013
flush once in awhile

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Des Plaines, IL

#81264 Feb 26, 2013

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