“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81213 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Why?
Why cant I tell an atheist that they cant NOT believe until they have studied all religions and then reject them all. How many atheists even know what a church or religion is all about? They only see the surface. Of course I am talking about the atheists who were never members of a church, not the ones who left theirs.
And why must a person research different religions? If you experience one, and it "Feels" right then why bother? Why should picking a religion be equated with buying a car?
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I'm not saying this to be insulting. I'm saying this as a matter of fact. Most religious people do not CHOOSE their faith/religion. Most people were raised in the church of their family. It has less go do with what "feels right" as you put it and more to do with what you've been taught your whole life and is therefore familiar. What percentage of religious people convert to another religion? I'd bet the number is quite low. I include myself in that group. Jess asked me why I consider myself catholic if i don't go to church. Its what I was raised to believe and I never really felt a need to question it. I would probably feel the same way if my last name was Goldstein and I had a bah mitzvah instead of a confirmation

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81214 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
Totally not trying to steer the conversation away from religion but...quick poll:
Those of you that went away to college and stayed in a dorm, how often did you come home?
J and I had a blowout last night after SIL and her fiance left--SIL has been home at least once a month since she left for school. Since November, she's had her fiance with her every time, which means there's somebody sleeping in my living room every morning. I'm tired of houseguests. J doesn't see how it's an inconvenience. They come home Friday evening--about an hour after I get home from work and leave right as I'm about to go to bed Sunday night. That's my entire weekend.
Blowup occurred after SIL saw an invite we got for a first birthday party for a friend's kid in three weeks. SIL's all "Oh, I'll have to come back for that!" J's all "Yeah!"
Granted, they go out and do stuff when they're here, and I have my own social life, but fuuuuuuck. I don't want this go on for the next 3.5 years. I'm TIRED, y'all. Am I being unreasonable?
I'm the anti jamwow when it comes to housguests. To ME, you're being unreasonable. To ME, a once a month guest is no big deal. But, I'm like Lionel Richie. Easy like sunday morning.

As far as how often I came home? Holidays , if that. It was an 8 hour trip. F that noise.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81215 Feb 25, 2013
The CDC hasn't pursued this kind of research since 1996 when the National Rifle Association lobbied Congress to cut funding for it, arguing that the studies were politicized and being used to promote gun control.

Nope! No bias in that interview is there? Oh, and there are no actual stats either, just something someone said.
Toj wrote:
Nothing like gun talk to get off the religious kick.
"What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding
"One of the critical studies that we supported was looking at the question of whether having a firearm in your home protects you or puts you at increased risk. This was a very important question because people who want to sell more guns say that having a gun in your home is the way to protect your family.
What the research showed was not only did having a firearm in your home not protect you, but it hugely increased the risk that someone in your family would die from a firearm homicide. It increased the risk almost 300 percent, almost three times as high."
Link: http://www.propublica.org/article/what-resear...

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81216 Feb 25, 2013
You're gonna have to read ahead and catch up. We already covered the fact that confirmation is the act of "choosing" your faith.

And if it is indeed a "Fact", please provide supporting documentation.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying this to be insulting. I'm saying this as a matter of fact. Most religious people do not CHOOSE their faith/religion. Most people were raised in the church of their family. It has less go do with what "feels right" as you put it and more to do with what you've been taught your whole life and is therefore familiar. What percentage of religious people convert to another religion? I'd bet the number is quite low. I include myself in that group. Jess asked me why I consider myself catholic if i don't go to church. Its what I was raised to believe and I never really felt a need to question it. I would probably feel the same way if my last name was Goldstein and I had a bah mitzvah instead of a confirmation

Since: Jan 10

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#81217 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda's husband could be taking this personally, as in she doesn't want HIS SISTER to visit. I think framing more as an "I don't want house guests once a month no matter WHO they are."

Matilda... Just wondering, what's your sister been up to lately?

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81218 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
You're gonna have to read ahead and catch up. We already covered the fact that confirmation is the act of "choosing" your faith.
<quoted text>
No "we" didn't. You asserted that, I disagree. But don't bother with being accurate, it seldom helps your cause.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81219 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Now how on earth would you know that?
Oh, right it's because thats what you did, and since you did that everyone has done that. Great to know you are the "world's standard"
<quoted text>
Well my bad. Please do describe the depth and breadth of your exploration of various theologies and how you came to nest in your current idealism. I eagerly await the entertainment value that your revisionist history will bring.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81220 Feb 25, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Matilda's husband could be taking this personally, as in she doesn't want HIS SISTER to visit. I think framing more as an "I don't want house guests once a month no matter WHO they are."
Matilda... Just wondering, what's your sister been up to lately?
Had not thought of that angle. Good one.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81221 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
They don't? Cant jews get into heaven?
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Not in the sense most Americans/Eurpeans mean. The punishment is to be separated from your God, rather akin to purgatory. On Judgement Day all good Jews wil be united with God.The rest will not. And then-- nothing- no clouds, no angels, poof.

No embalmimg either. Burial is supposed to be very quick, almos as fast as Muslims who I believe require internment in 48 hours Some of you might recall there was special dispensation for Yassir Arafat to allow people to travel from around the world o attend his funeral

This was one of the pieces which differeniated early Christianity from Judaism- abelief in the afterlife.

Heaven is an easier concept to explain to your kids and religion is passed along via kids for teh most art, noting teh discussion hre teh last couple of days.

In Orthodox Judaism, it is important to be burried with all your body parts. There are special squads in Israeli which clean up teh goe after terroist bombigs to make sure teh deceased have as much of themseleves as possible to be buried sthey will be intact on Judgement Day. I have also heard of traditions requiring the faithful to be buried with their head pointing to teh Holy Land. It rather sounded like a cross betwen ctaerrpillars oles and zombies.

I knew a man who had lost a finger- amputated due to an infection who kept the relic in a box to be buried with him so he could be complete. It is not a prevalent approach in Reform or Conservative Jews.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81222 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
The CDC hasn't pursued this kind of research since 1996 when the National Rifle Association lobbied Congress to cut funding for it, arguing that the studies were politicized and being used to promote gun control.
Nope! No bias in that interview is there? Oh, and there are no actual stats either, just something someone said.
<quoted text>
As opposed to the "evidence" that Wayne LaPierre defacates on a routine basis. Ha!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81223 Feb 25, 2013
Toj wrote:
Oops. It wasn't Wikipedia. It was Judaism 101. Link: http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm
Thanks, I was close.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81224 Feb 25, 2013
See! Cant wait to disparage anything to do with my religious beliefs. What and why I chose my belief system is not for your "entertainment". See how very, very shallow you are. Thanks for being true to your hatred.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well my bad. Please do describe the depth and breadth of your exploration of various theologies and how you came to nest in your current idealism. I eagerly await the entertainment value that your revisionist history will bring.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81225 Feb 25, 2013
I provided a definition that said exactly that, I cant help it if you cant read.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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No "we" didn't. You asserted that, I disagree. But don't bother with being accurate, it seldom helps your cause.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81226 Feb 25, 2013
Sgt__Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
She's got money for cigarettes.
True. However, IMO (not that my opinion really counts here) they should pay for it their own damn selves. They wanna be all grown up and get married, then they should be the ones paying. My parents never paid for a wedding/reception, though they did buy a cake one time, but that was because THEY wanted to.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81227 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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Hell to the no. You want to play grown up, then you can pay for it. We might spring for a decent photographer as our gift to them, but other than that...
This. Seriously, you have about a year, start, and keep talking to them about making sure they have their own place to live, stuff they will need for setting up house, etc. Assume an attitude of them "of course" making their own home, together, separately from everyone else, like independent adults do. Seriously.

Since: Jan 10

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#81228 Feb 25, 2013
They could be working jobs to pay for a wedding instead of visiting Matilda every month.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81229 Feb 25, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
<quoted text>
They should be invited, not inviting themselves. You have certainly done more than your share for SIL. Why is J so willing to have her and the fiance around so often? I would have no problem planning a ladies night/weekend for the next time they are going to come visit, and if J enjoys having them around all weekend that much, he can have them all to himself.
got distracted while posting this. not sure if it went thru. granted their situation is not typical, bit their place was her home. did you need an invite from your parents to go home?

Since: Jan 10

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#81230 Feb 25, 2013
I see both sides nits... Matilda's (she didn't sign up for surrogate parenthood when she married j) and the sil.

Since: Jan 10

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#81231 Feb 25, 2013
Sides in this rather.

Nick has my computer. iPad isn't so eas to type on.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#81232 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
To answer your questions,
I think you are wrong to say that people adopt the religion presented. That is the purpose of confirmation, the person CHOOSES to become a member of that religion. How many other religions they have experienced is not relevant, they are choosing and that disputes your statement.
Adopt/choose?? What difference does it make? Why do you hate people who adopt the same religion that their parents have? What is wrong with them?
Why do you place such criteria on whether or you you will respect a person or their faith.
Answer that!
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If you were brouht up catholic, confirmation happens at 13. Is a 13 year old really CHOOSING? Or is he just sticking to the program laid out in front of him since he was born? Yes, idealogocally, confirmation is as you described, but for all intents and purposes, it really isn't.

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