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#81183 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Sam openly debases people for believing and their faith specifically.
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To be fair, that's part of the nature of an internet forum. I think a lot of people take their filter off or turn it down a few notches when it comes to expressing their views.

I'm pretty sure if we were all out for drinks, we wouldn't be debating the nature of god, arguing over Amby letters, or politics. In contrast, discussing these things are an almost daily occurrence (because it gives us something to discuss and take a stance on, talk about, and receive feedback and different perspectives), however IRL with friends and associates, I almost never get in passionate debates about these things. When it comes to religion, at most I may say, I'm agnostic and that is something I generally only share with close friends and my immediate family. Except for those I am very close with, I don't share my intimate thoughts on many issues discussed. I tend to do that more so on here.

You all are my sounding board sometimes. IRL, I'm much more introspective when it comes to these things and I want to have fun, not argue when around people.

I presume Sam and many others are no different on here.

I think Tonka quite a long time ago touched on this.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81184 Feb 25, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Gently start discussing about how they will need to help pay for the wedding and set money aside to start their own home.
Help? I don't think Matilda and J are paying for it....

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81185 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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His family lives in NW Indiana, close to where I'm originally from.
I don't feel I should have to entertain two grown-ass adults. Plus, if they've got all this spare time to be spending weekends here, they should get jobs.
Agreed. Jobs, or join activities to make more friends. Even if they do stuff TOGETHER with other people, it sounds like they both could stand to be better socialized.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81186 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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That's my problem with saying something. She's not welcome at her parent's house, really. I mean, they'd say she was but their actions indicate the exact opposite. If she doesn't have our home, she has no home, and that's not really right. I just would like enough time to pass where I actually look forward to seeing her again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that.
Again, agreed. It's not that you won't let her "come home" but she needs to start making a life for herself independently. And bringing the fiance every time IS a burden no matter how you slice it. By all means she should not be treated as a houseguest who needs to be entertained.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81187 Feb 25, 2013
Yeah, we all troll sometimes, I personally find it beneath myself to mock someones religion, or mock them personally for having a faith though. I just dont see the point, and its bad karma for me.
Sublime1 wrote:
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To be fair, that's part of the nature of an internet forum. I think a lot of people take their filter off or turn it down a few notches when it comes to expressing their views.
I'm pretty sure if we were all out for drinks, we wouldn't be debating the nature of god, arguing over Amby letters, or politics. In contrast, discussing these things are an almost daily occurrence (because it gives us something to discuss and take a stance on, talk about, and receive feedback and different perspectives), however IRL with friends and associates, I almost never get in passionate debates about these things. When it comes to religion, at most I may say, I'm agnostic and that is something I generally only share with close friends and my immediate family. Except for those I am very close with, I don't share my intimate thoughts on many issues discussed. I tend to do that more so on here.
You all are my sounding board sometimes. IRL, I'm much more introspective when it comes to these things and I want to have fun, not argue when around people.
I presume Sam and many others are no different on here.
I think Tonka quite a long time ago touched on this.

Since: Jul 10

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#81188 Feb 25, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I can't imagine someone on disability has any money to pay for any wedding.
She's got money for cigarettes.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81189 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Well, i am not the one accusing someone of not using their brain because they follow the same religious faith as their parents.
Did you know that according to sam, you dont use your brain for that very reason, and later in life, if your children stay in the faith you raised them in, they too will be guilty of not using their brains? How does it fee to (cough!) NOT be called stupid for following your faith?
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I'm confused, how's that?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81190 Feb 25, 2013
sam says that people who "adopt" the religion they are presented with are not using their brains. Now, that does not mean your stupid ya see,just that your not using your brain. I dont want to put words in her mouth, but I guess she might be saying you are being "Willfully ignorant"?

sam says that you need to examine other religions (but she does not say what you should be looking for, so good luck with that). Then after meditation and consideration, and weighing the pro's and cons of each religious practice, then (and only then) will you have used your brain in a manner that she agrees with, and you are free to follow any faith you choose.

But to like your current faith without sampling others is just crazy. How can you like vanilla if you have never tried strawberry?
squishymama wrote:
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I'm confused, how's that?

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81191 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Sam openly debases people for believing and their faith specifically.
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You are hilarious. And either ignorant or stupid. For you of all people to accuse someone else of debasing and to be so offended by someone having a different opinion/disagreeing with someone else's value system is RIDICULOUS. You are one of the angriest, most vitriolic posters in here when it comes to disagreeing with someone, and you're going to act so bothered because I dare to criticize the manner in which some people end up following a religion? You are a joke.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81192 Feb 25, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
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Help? I don't think Matilda and J are paying for it....
Hell to the no. You want to play grown up, then you can pay for it. We might spring for a decent photographer as our gift to them, but other than that...

One of her friends from church is getting married this summer and is taking a frugal route--wedding and reception at the church, pot luck meal, Wal-Mart cake, and I think that's what my SIL is thinking of doing. Should be doable if they both get jobs. No alcohol...*gasp!*:-/ Of course, neither will be old enough to drink anyway...

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81193 Feb 25, 2013
Sgt__Smith wrote:
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She's got money for cigarettes.
Yep, this.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81194 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Yeah, we all troll sometimes, I personally find it beneath myself to mock someones religion, or mock them personally for having a faith though. I just dont see the point, and its bad karma for me.
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Funny line you have there. Wish cancer on someone, that's o.k. Criticize any aspect of their religious framework and that's bad karma.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81195 Feb 25, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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Go back and look at my response to you in post #81129. Utilization versus capacity. Asked and answered, my obtuse friend, asked and answered.
Now you're wanting to change meanings of words based on "capacity."

Do you deny suggesting that people have a religion solely based on the fact they were brought up with one in particular?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81196 Feb 25, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Most folks just mindlessly go along with it.
This again? What is it you and Sam are unable to comprehend?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81197 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
sam says that people who "adopt" the religion they are presented with are not using their brains. Now, that does not mean your stupid ya see,just that your not using your brain. I dont want to put words in her mouth, but I guess she might be saying you are being "Willfully ignorant"?
sam says that you need to examine other religions (but she does not say what you should be looking for, so good luck with that). Then after meditation and consideration, and weighing the pro's and cons of each religious practice, then (and only then) will you have used your brain in a manner that she agrees with, and you are free to follow any faith you choose.
But to like your current faith without sampling others is just crazy. How can you like vanilla if you have never tried strawberry?
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Sticks and stones and all that.

I have thought about other religions and the church I was confirmed in actively encouraged us to look at other faiths before we chose chritianity. I was tempted by the Baha'i's...

But as I grew older and saw how most religions were twisted by their formal organizations, I drifted away from an actual church or belief. I try to live by the Golden Rule and strive to see the holy spirit in everyone I encounter, which seems to come close to Ethical Humanism, and that seems to be working for me.

Now my kids go to the church of my FIL, and I suppose that's just a lazy way out for me to get my kids some religious foundations. I hope they make good friends in the youth group, like both Dickie and I did. I hope they keep an open mind and make their own choices, like Dickie and I did. I hope that they will look on my MIL as an excellent example of kindness in this world and what a powerful impact one person who cares can have.

But I don't judge people by their faith, I judge them by their actions.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81198 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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Hell to the no. You want to play grown up, then you can pay for it. We might spring for a decent photographer as our gift to them, but other than that...
One of her friends from church is getting married this summer and is taking a frugal route--wedding and reception at the church, pot luck meal, Wal-Mart cake, and I think that's what my SIL is thinking of doing. Should be doable if they both get jobs. No alcohol...*gasp!*:-/ Of course, neither will be old enough to drink anyway...
How confident are you that the wedding will actually take place? How big do you think it will be? Better make sure J doesn't offer to have the wedding and reception at your place.(j/k)

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81199 Feb 25, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Now you're wanting to change meanings of words based on "capacity."
Do you deny suggesting that people have a religion solely based on the fact they were brought up with one in particular?
What words am I trying to change the meaning of? Not using one's brain is different from having one that don't work so good. I don't see how that's such a difficult distinction to grasp.

And no, I don't deny that at all. In fact, that's exactly the point I have been making. Many people believe what they believe simply because that is what was passed on to them by their parents. And kids in India are Hindu because that is what their parents passed on to them. And so on. They are not Hindu because they compared Hinduism to Christianity to whatever. Just like Race isn't Christian because he compared Hinduism to Christianity and chose Christianity. He's Christian because that's what his parents were and he just rolled with it.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81200 Feb 25, 2013
Well, I give you credit for not denying it.

And please quit acting like your 6 and saying that what you post is ok because someone else says worse. GTFU, put your nuts back on and man up.

Besides, you get more empty light bulbs than me.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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You are hilarious. And either ignorant or stupid. For you of all people to accuse someone else of debasing and to be so offended by someone having a different opinion/disagreeing with someone else's value system is RIDICULOUS. You are one of the angriest, most vitriolic posters in here when it comes to disagreeing with someone, and you're going to act so bothered because I dare to criticize the manner in which some people end up following a religion? You are a joke.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#81201 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Why is it necessary to shop around for a religion? They all offer eternal salvation
The Jewish religion doesn't.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81202 Feb 25, 2013
Funny line you have there. Criticize any aspect of someone's religious framework that's o.k. Wish cancer on someone, and that's bad karma.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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Funny line you have there. Wish cancer on someone, that's o.k. Criticize any aspect of their religious framework and that's bad karma.

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