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To answer your questions,
I think you are wrong to say that people adopt the religion presented. That is the purpose of confirmation, the person CHOOSES to become a member of that religion. How many other religions they have experienced is not relevant, they are choosing and that disputes your statement.

Adopt/choose?? What difference does it make? Why do you hate people who adopt the same religion that their parents have? What is wrong with them?

Why do you place such criteria on whether or you you will respect a person or their faith.

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The point is that most people of faith don't choose their religion, they adopt it. You made the statement about "hey if the first thing I experience works for me then what's wrong with that?" My response was and continues to be that that is not choosing. That is simply accepting what is laid out for you by someone else. That is the point. Contest that.

I don't have anything against people of faith, provided they have made a choice and have not simply accepted whatever was handed down to them. Taking whatever your parents handed you and running with it because it's what you know is not a choice. Address that point. Bet you won't!

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I know. I read it. It's Monday. I'm bored. Trolling...

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Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
I don't have anything against people of faith, provided they have made a choice and have not simply accepted whatever was handed down to them. Taking whatever your parents handed you and running with it because it's what you know is not a choice. Address that point. Bet you won't!
I disagree. You're painting people with a broad brush. People don't simply hold to a religion simply because of what their parents were. Many people change their religion, many people find religion if they were not brought up that way, and many people turn to atheism after having grown up in a religious home. To assume that people of faith are incapable of independent though, is religion bashing.

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RACE wrote:
To answer your questions,
I think you are wrong to say that people adopt the religion presented. That is the purpose of confirmation, the person CHOOSES to become a member of that religion. How many other religions they have experienced is not relevant, they are choosing and that disputes your statement.
Adopt/choose?? What difference does it make? Why do you hate people who adopt the same religion that their parents have? What is wrong with them?
Why do you place such criteria on whether or you you will respect a person or their faith.
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Wrongo bongo. Confirmation has nothing to do with choosing. Confirmation is simply part of the process that is part of the religion you adopted. I went through it. So did many of my friends. And we didn't choose to go through it. We went through it because it was what was expected of us. And please don't insult my intelligence or yours by trying to assert that that's the exception.

As I said before, and I'll say again, if people are religious, fine, have at it, but my criticism comes in when they are of a certain faith just because of tradition and not because of any critical thinking, including the consideration of other faiths. There are a number of major religions with key differences. I do count it as a knock against someone if they put more thought into which car to buy than into which religion to practice.

I do also count it as a knock against someone if they use religion to justify bad behavior, as many do with homosexuality. The Christian Bible is routinely cited as a justification for homophobic behavior/views. Some who promote their faith the most vigorously are those who act most inconsistently with that faith. Look at Mutt. He is a professed Christian, but do you think Jesus would look kindly upon Mutt calling women "whores" and "bitches" and some of the other vitriolic things he has said? Does your God tell you that wishing cancer and car accidents on someone is consistent with his teachings? If so, I would like to see your copy of the Bible.

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Did anyone else watch the OScars? When they got to the part where they show everyone who died in the last year, they skipped Andy Griffith! His film career started in 1957 to rave reviews. I don't know why they would have left him out.

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I disagree. You're painting people with a broad brush. People don't simply hold to a religion simply because of what their parents were. Many people change their religion, many people find religion if they were not brought up that way, and many people turn to atheism after having grown up in a religious home. To assume that people of faith are incapable of independent though, is religion bashing.
First, you accusing someone else of painting with a broad brush is HILARIOUS. Second, the fact remains that, in country after country, community after community, there is a prevailing religion, and not by a small margin. If people were typically examining other options, that would not be the case. Or do you assert that 80% of one community continues one behavior, while 80% of another community continues a different behavior, and both are the result of critical analysis/independent thinking? Third, I never said people of faith are incapable of independent thought. Please show me where I did. The effect of my statement is that they decline to exercise independent thought. Utilization and capacity are two different things. Just like I don't think you don't have a brain, I just think you don't use it as often as you should.

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Did anyone else watch the OScars? When they got to the part where they show everyone who died in the last year, they skipped Andy Griffith! His film career started in 1957 to rave reviews. I don't know why they would have left him out.
That is a horrible oversight. How do you think Seth did? I think he did fine, and I think that if people didn't come in with a preconceived notion of him from his involvement in Family Guy, the reviews of his performance would be even better.

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And is it just me, or does Kristin Stewart's eyes make her look like a stoned out idiot?

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Did anyone else watch the OScars? When they got to the part where they show everyone who died in the last year, they skipped Andy Griffith! His film career started in 1957 to rave reviews. I don't know why they would have left him out.
That is strange. No, I didn't watch the Oscars. I watched The Amazing Race, did a few things and went to bed. I knew if I got involved in the Oscars I would get sucked in to the end and the end of the Oscars is never known until is actually does end!

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Once again, you villanize me to generate something else to argue against since you can't argue the point. And you're projecting. Once again your disdain for me personally precludes you from staying on point.
The point is not my regard or lack thereof for religion or religious people. The point is that most people of faith don't choose their religion, they adopt it. You made the statement about "hey if the first thing I experience works for me then what's wrong with that?" My response was and continues to be that that is not choosing. That is simply accepting what is laid out for you by someone else. That is the point. Contest that. We all know you want me to die in some horribile, painful manner. Quit beating that drum and actually address the substance of a position and not just your disdain for that position.
I don't have anything against people of faith, provided they have made a choice and have not simply accepted whatever was handed down to them. Taking whatever your parents handed you and running with it because it's what you know is not a choice. Address that point. Bet you won't!
I agree with you until you get to the point of "don't have anything against people of faith, provided they made a choice and have not simply accepted whatever was handed down to them". And it's not b/c I followed that path for awhile, it's simply b/c I don't care how someone came to their faith. It's personal to them. I just don't want them preaching to me how I should believe in this or that.

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No, I was raised in one religion, went to a catholic school, and then had to join another another church when my father remarried. I dont subscribe to any particular faith, but I do believe in a creator, and I believe my creator wants me to do many of the things that others read about in their books. I believe that if you need a organized religion, and a specific place to practice that religion, then have at it. If you need to believe that the Jesus is the son of God, and his death washes away your sins and thru that you can get into heaven, then have at it.
For me, I am in church when I am on my boat, and I probably thank God for my blessings more often than most. I dont need a building to give thanks or pray, and I dont need someone to talk to God on my behalf to be forgiven my sins. But I dont knock those that do.
As for sam, you have not read some of the spiteful, taunting, and down right mean things she has said to people who have faith. There is/was a thread where people were simply posting that they loved jesus, loved God and loved to pray. Her comments to them was disgusting, and unwarranted. Dont believe me? Use your magical google powers and find that thread and read her posts for yourself.
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I'm not going to google it b/c, frankly, both of you are too old to be using the "she/he started it first!" bit. Quit continuing it, then.

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They should be invited, not inviting themselves. You have certainly done more than your share for SIL. Why is J so willing to have her and the fiance around so often? I would have no problem planning a ladies night/weekend for the next time they are going to come visit, and if J enjoys having them around all weekend that much, he can have them all to himself.
I disagree. Matilda and J have made their place her home. Home is teh place where , when you have to go there , they have to take you in.(That's a quote or at least a paraphrase).

The need for private time is valid. It was only 6 months ago when Matilda was counting the days til she got her house and her husband back. But I can't think of a good way to say, don't come around so often.

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I dont know about your confirmation, but mine was a formal acceptance of the religion. Maybe you need to learn what a confirmation is first

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

Here is a quote In Protestant churches, the rite tends to be seen rather as a mature statement of faith by an already baptised person. It is also required by most Protestant denominations for membership in the respective church, in particular for traditional Protestant churches. In traditional Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran etc.) it is recognized by a coming of age ceremony.

Perhaps you mean that you felt you had no choice but to accept that religion. So for you, choosing was no choice at all. Your loss.

And as for your criticism of people being a certain faith...
If two peeps belong to a church, one was born and raised in that faith, the other was a godless heathen who wandered the world learning many religions and finally settling on this same faith, what is your criticism? Who do you criticize? Why?
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Wrongo bongo. Confirmation has nothing to do with choosing. Confirmation is simply part of the process that is part of the religion you adopted. I went through it. So did many of my friends. And we didn't choose to go through it. We went through it because it was what was expected of us. And please don't insult my intelligence or yours by trying to assert that that's the exception.
As I said before, and I'll say again, if people are religious, fine, have at it, but my criticism comes in when they are of a certain faith just because of tradition and not because of any critical thinking, including the consideration of other faiths. There are a number of major religions with key differences. I do count it as a knock against someone if they put more thought into which car to buy than into which religion to practice.
I do also count it as a knock against someone if they use religion to justify bad behavior, as many do with homosexuality. The Christian Bible is routinely cited as a justification for homophobic behavior/views. Some who promote their faith the most vigorously are those who act most inconsistently with that faith. Look at Mutt. He is a professed Christian, but do you think Jesus would look kindly upon Mutt calling women "whores" and "bitches" and some of the other vitriolic things he has said? Does your God tell you that wishing cancer and car accidents on someone is consistent with his teachings? If so, I would like to see your copy of the Bible.

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Totally not trying to steer the conversation away from religion but...quick poll:
Those of you that went away to college and stayed in a dorm, how often did you come home?
J and I had a blowout last night after SIL and her fiance left--SIL has been home at least once a month since she left for school. Since November, she's had her fiance with her every time, which means there's somebody sleeping in my living room every morning. I'm tired of houseguests. J doesn't see how it's an inconvenience. They come home Friday evening--about an hour after I get home from work and leave right as I'm about to go to bed Sunday night. That's my entire weekend.
Blowup occurred after SIL saw an invite we got for a first birthday party for a friend's kid in three weeks. SIL's all "Oh, I'll have to come back for that!" J's all "Yeah!"
Granted, they go out and do stuff when they're here, and I have my own social life, but fuuuuuuck. I don't want this go on for the next 3.5 years. I'm TIRED, y'all. Am I being unreasonable?
I went to Chamapaign . My parents lived in Evanston, roughly a 3+ hour drive or a ride on teh IC( sometimes teh real City of New Orleans). I proably came home about every 6-8 weeks including teh official holidays and breaks, but my boyfriend/fiance was up here. Mostly he came down but sometimes I came up.

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That is a horrible oversight. How do you think Seth did? I think he did fine, and I think that if people didn't come in with a preconceived notion of him from his involvement in Family Guy, the reviews of his performance would be even better.
I don't thnk he did well, but I blame the writers. I love Seth and think he's hilarious and brilliant and hot as hell, but man, I thought all the song and dance stuff waw awful.

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So your not saying that people with faith are stupid, just that they act stupid because they have faith. What is your hangup with whether people in the same community practice the same faith?
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First, you accusing someone else of painting with a broad brush is HILARIOUS. Second, the fact remains that, in country after country, community after community, there is a prevailing religion, and not by a small margin. If people were typically examining other options, that would not be the case. Or do you assert that 80% of one community continues one behavior, while 80% of another community continues a different behavior, and both are the result of critical analysis/independent thinking? Third, I never said people of faith are incapable of independent thought. Please show me where I did. The effect of my statement is that they decline to exercise independent thought. Utilization and capacity are two different things. Just like I don't think you don't have a brain, I just think you don't use it as often as you should.

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I disagree. Matilda and J have made their place her home. Home is teh place where , when you have to go there , they have to take you in.(That's a quote or at least a paraphrase).
The need for private time is valid. It was only 6 months ago when Matilda was counting the days til she got her house and her husband back. But I can't think of a good way to say, don't come around so often.
That's my problem with saying something. She's not welcome at her parent's house, really. I mean, they'd say she was but their actions indicate the exact opposite. If she doesn't have our home, she has no home, and that's not really right. I just would like enough time to pass where I actually look forward to seeing her again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that.

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And you need to drop the mommy complex. I did not say she started it, I simply told you where you can find a true statement of her attitude. If your not willing to do that, then dont profess to know what she is saying.
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I'm not going to google it b/c, frankly, both of you are too old to be using the "she/he started it first!" bit. Quit continuing it, then.

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Feb 25, 2013
 
I watched The Amazing Race too and turned on the Oscars afterward but went to bed around 10:30, right after Anne Hathaway winning BSA. So I missed the "big ones" and actually just now looked them up - I forgot this morning and this convo reminded me.

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You know who could host? Neil Patrick Harris-- only host AS BARNEY.

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