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Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81143 Feb 25, 2013
And you need to drop the mommy complex. I did not say she started it, I simply told you where you can find a true statement of her attitude. If your not willing to do that, then dont profess to know what she is saying.
Toj wrote:
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I'm not going to google it b/c, frankly, both of you are too old to be using the "she/he started it first!" bit. Quit continuing it, then.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81144 Feb 25, 2013
I watched The Amazing Race too and turned on the Oscars afterward but went to bed around 10:30, right after Anne Hathaway winning BSA. So I missed the "big ones" and actually just now looked them up - I forgot this morning and this convo reminded me.

Since: Jan 10

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#81145 Feb 25, 2013
You know who could host? Neil Patrick Harris-- only host AS BARNEY.

Since: Jan 10

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#81146 Feb 25, 2013
PEllen wrote:
The need for private time is valid. It was only 6 months ago when Matilda was counting the days til she got her house and her husband back. But I can't think of a good way to say, don't come around so often.
I think they need to phrase it as, "You need to stay at school for a couple of months and make FRIENDS. The friends you make there could last you a life time. You never know."

Since: Jan 10

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#81147 Feb 25, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
I watched The Amazing Race too and turned on the Oscars afterward but went to bed around 10:30, right after Anne Hathaway winning BSA. So I missed the "big ones" and actually just now looked them up - I forgot this morning and this convo reminded me.
Her speech was rambly and awkward.

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#81148 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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That's my problem with saying something. She's not welcome at her parent's house, really. I mean, they'd say she was but their actions indicate the exact opposite. If she doesn't have our home, she has no home, and that's not really right. I just would like enough time to pass where I actually look forward to seeing her again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that.
Watch her finish school and move back to your area, and she'll be over at your place all the time.

SHe'll be with you for the whole summer this year, I assume?

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#81149 Feb 25, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
<quoted text>Wrongo bongo. Confirmation has nothing to do with choosing. Confirmation is simply part of the process that is part of the religion you adopted. I went through it. So did many of my friends. And we didn't choose to go through it. We went through it because it was what was expected of us. And please don't insult my intelligence or yours by trying to assert that that's the exception.

As I said before, and I'll say again, if people are religious, fine, have at it, but my criticism comes in when they are of a certain faith just because of tradition and not because of any critical thinking, including the consideration of other faiths. There are a number of major religions with key differences. I do count it as a knock against someone if they put more thought into which car to buy than into which religion to practice.

I do also count it as a knock against someone if they use religion to justify bad behavior, as many do with homosexuality. The Christian Bible is routinely cited as a justification for homophobic behavior/views. Some who promote their faith the most vigorously are those who act most inconsistently with that faith. Look at Mutt. He is a professed Christian, but do you think Jesus would look kindly upon Mutt calling women "whores" and "bitches" and some of the other vitriolic things he has said? Does your God tell you that wishing cancer and car accidents on someone is consistent with his teachings? If so, I would like to see your copy of the Bible.
In the Catholic Church, confirmation is when people choose to become adult members of the church (as opposed to baptism, in which the parents and godparents speak for the child).

In CA we received confirmation during our sophomore year of high school. I told my parents after freshman year that I didn't want to be confirmed because I thought that the program was focusing too much on money and not enough on the meaning of confirmation and how the teachings of the church affect us as adults. My parents did not make me go to classes once I explained how I came to my decision and my concerns with the church. I still attended the Catholic HS and sang in the folk group at mass (I was even a paid soloist at weddings), but I did not want to be a hypocrite.

I love that my parents raised me to ask questions and make my own decisions. I have made plenty of mistakes, but I own them. I wish more parents would encourage their children to do the same.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81150 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
I dont know about your confirmation, but mine was a formal acceptance of the religion. Maybe you need to learn what a confirmation is first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation
Here is a quote In Protestant churches, the rite tends to be seen rather as a mature statement of faith by an already baptised person. It is also required by most Protestant denominations for membership in the respective church, in particular for traditional Protestant churches. In traditional Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran etc.) it is recognized by a coming of age ceremony.
Perhaps you mean that you felt you had no choice but to accept that religion. So for you, choosing was no choice at all. Your loss.
And as for your criticism of people being a certain faith...
If two peeps belong to a church, one was born and raised in that faith, the other was a godless heathen who wandered the world learning many religions and finally settling on this same faith, what is your criticism? Who do you criticize? Why?
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I have to go with Sam on the Confirmation thing. If I said I didn't want to make my Confirmation (made it in 8th grade) all hell would have broke lose. Figuratively. For the nuns, priests, teachers and my parents they would have thought literally.

Technically I had a choice. But not really.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81151 Feb 25, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
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In the Catholic Church, confirmation is when people choose to become adult members of the church (as opposed to baptism, in which the parents and godparents speak for the child).
In CA we received confirmation during our sophomore year of high school. I told my parents after freshman year that I didn't want to be confirmed because I thought that the program was focusing too much on money and not enough on the meaning of confirmation and how the teachings of the church affect us as adults. My parents did not make me go to classes once I explained how I came to my decision and my concerns with the church. I still attended the Catholic HS and sang in the folk group at mass (I was even a paid soloist at weddings), but I did not want to be a hypocrite.
I love that my parents raised me to ask questions and make my own decisions. I have made plenty of mistakes, but I own them. I wish more parents would encourage their children to do the same.
You were lucky. My mother was too scared to question religion. She would listen to our discussions and participate in them but she never waivered nor gave any personal feelings except those repeated from what she was taught. She really believed that the priests, cardinals, etc. all the way up to the pope could never do wrong. Never. God was speaking through them. That's what she believed.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81152 Feb 25, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Watch her finish school and move back to your area, and she'll be over at your place all the time.
SHe'll be with you for the whole summer this year, I assume?
Are you TRYING to get Matilda depressed? ;)

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81153 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
I dont know about your confirmation, but mine was a formal acceptance of the religion. Maybe you need to learn what a confirmation is first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation
Here is a quote In Protestant churches, the rite tends to be seen rather as a mature statement of faith by an already baptised person. It is also required by most Protestant denominations for membership in the respective church, in particular for traditional Protestant churches. In traditional Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran etc.) it is recognized by a coming of age ceremony.
Perhaps you mean that you felt you had no choice but to accept that religion. So for you, choosing was no choice at all. Your loss.
And as for your criticism of people being a certain faith...
If two peeps belong to a church, one was born and raised in that faith, the other was a godless heathen who wandered the world learning many religions and finally settling on this same faith, what is your criticism? Who do you criticize? Why?
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Um, I know what confirmation is. And you continue to miss the point. Confirmation is just a continuation of the acceptance of a tradition. I went through it when I was 13, and it was just part of the deal of going to church. I "chose" to go through confirmation in the same fashion that I "chose" to go to school. it was just part of the deal. As for your two people, I appreciate the second person on this issue as they came to their position after giving the matter consideration.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#81154 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
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That's my problem with saying something. She's not welcome at her parent's house, really. I mean, they'd say she was but their actions indicate the exact opposite. If she doesn't have our home, she has no home, and that's not really right. I just would like enough time to pass where I actually look forward to seeing her again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that.
Where does the fiance live? Do they go there? I know her school. There are things to do that aren't that long a drive and don't cost much.

What if you put together an itinerary and fronted gas money?

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81155 Feb 25, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Watch her finish school and move back to your area, and she'll be over at your place all the time.
SHe'll be with you for the whole summer this year, I assume?
I think she'll be working at that summer camp again. So...like half of it. And I already made it known that Fiance isn't staying for any extended period of time.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81156 Feb 25, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Where does the fiance live? Do they go there? I know her school. There are things to do that aren't that long a drive and don't cost much.
What if you put together an itinerary and fronted gas money?
His family lives in NW Indiana, close to where I'm originally from.

I don't feel I should have to entertain two grown-ass adults. Plus, if they've got all this spare time to be spending weekends here, they should get jobs.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81157 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
So your not saying that people with faith are stupid, just that they act stupid because they have faith. What is your hangup with whether people in the same community practice the same faith?
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Again, twisting to promote argument. Show me where I said people of faith are stupid. <waiting> There is no "hang-up" with people in the same community practicing the same faith. It is a demonstration of the manner in which people end up practicing a particular faith. If they were getting there by considering options, etc., then there would not be this trend of 80+% in each community taking the same route.

You really can't handle your values being criticized, can you? Even by a stranger you really shouldnt' give a rip about.

And I notice you conveniently declined to answer my question about what your God would think about some of Mutt's vitriolic comments and what his opinion would be about your wishing painful, lingering death on someone. If you want this discussion to continue, you'll have to address that. I bet you won't!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81158 Feb 25, 2013
So, because you were too timid to speak your mind, that means everyone was too? Cant you fathom that a person might actually look forward to being a full member of their church?
See sam, some people actually DO believe in the teaching of their church. You dont, so you are making generalizations of everyone else based upon your own personal experience.
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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Um, I know what confirmation is. And you continue to miss the point. Confirmation is just a continuation of the acceptance of a tradition. I went through it when I was 13, and it was just part of the deal of going to church. I "chose" to go through confirmation in the same fashion that I "chose" to go to school. it was just part of the deal. As for your two people, I appreciate the second person on this issue as they came to their position after giving the matter consideration.

Since: Aug 08

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#81159 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
And many religions share core traits, be kind to kittens, obey your parents, help the needy...<quoted text>
They also have many things that are not in common. When it comes to many of them, they say if you don't believe these things that are particular to our religion, you aren't going to heaven or what have you, as well.

Also if being kind to kittens, obeying your parents, helping the needy were all that were needed for salvation, why do you need religion? Many non-religious folks share these values.
RACE wrote:
The major differences is how the religion is practiced. Yes there are also theological differences, and that relates to the history of the religion.
The difference between a jew and a christian is but a single man. They both have the same god.
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Jews don't believe any of the supernatural stuff that Jesus did, which makes people think he was the son of god. They just think he was an ordinary man who was a preacher and was executed by the Romans, no different than many other Jews who were executed by the Romans at that time. To say this is an insignificant difference of opinion, is not accurate, given that Christianity is so concerned with Jesus and his life and the supposed magical things he did.

Also, what about Hindus and Buddhists? They are nothing like Jews or Christians. IF you were born in China or India, you would likely be a Buddhist or a Hindu.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#81160 Feb 25, 2013
And around and around it goes. . .

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#81161 Feb 25, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
I never said people of faith are incapable of independent thought. Please show me where I did.
"Simply accepting what is laid out for you by someone else..."

You gonna try to back-pedal now?

Since: Aug 08

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#81162 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
No, you are bashing and wrapping it in a nice little bow.
You think people who have faith are lemmings, you try to say that since they have not sampled all the religions, they are just mindless drones. And you say this only because you feel superior to them and you want to mock them and their faith.
Your contempt for them is so apparent, and you are kidding only yourself in thinking yourself clever.
Or perhaps you would like to tell me how much respect you have for people who have found a faith, no matter how they found it.
Bet you wont!
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I have respect for lots of people who have faith. It has nothing to do with their faith, however.

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