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#81083 Feb 25, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. I had friends who were Catholic and went to their church often.
COmpletely different. YOu were takign friends to a christian service. Catholics are Christian.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#81084 Feb 25, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
COmpletely different. YOu were takign friends to a christian service. Catholics are Christian.
I see no difference whatsoever. Be it a mosque, synagogue, Budda temple, whatever.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#81085 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>put this another way. would it have seemed normal to you if you slept over at your friend abduul's house and they took you to worship at their mosque on Sunday morning?
Just because it's Monday...

The "holy" day in a mosque (masjid) is Friday. j/s

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#81086 Feb 25, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> abduul's
Also because it's Monday, and because I don't get to show this knowlegde off too often....

"Abdul" is not a full name. There is always an add on ("Abdulnaim" Abdulwahed" "Abdulhak" etc.) "Abdul" means "Servant or slave of" and the second part is one of the "99 names of god."

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81087 Feb 25, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think believers are brainwashed and unable to think for themselves and instead blindly follow what they've been exposed to, that doesn't reflect very well on you.
So sayeth the king of independent thinking....

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81088 Feb 25, 2013
Why are these mutually exclusive?
Done right, you get both.
Sublime1 wrote:
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Should religion be about making yourself feel good or about salvation? If it's about making yourself feel good, then it's not really any different than any of the myriad of substances or activities that can do the same.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81089 Feb 25, 2013
Why?
Why cant I tell an atheist that they cant NOT believe until they have studied all religions and then reject them all. How many atheists even know what a church or religion is all about? They only see the surface. Of course I am talking about the atheists who were never members of a church, not the ones who left theirs.

And why must a person research different religions? If you experience one, and it "Feels" right then why bother? Why should picking a religion be equated with buying a car?
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>unless believers have donw some research on other religions, there is an element of truth to what he's saying. and i apply it to myself as well.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#81090 Feb 25, 2013
Miscellaneous:

And There Happen to be Drug Therapies Available Update:
Those who grieve for more than two weeks over a death are not merely sad but suffer from prolonged grieving disorder.

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News Presented Without Comment:
Jermaine Jackson has changed his name to Jermaine Jacksun for "artistic reasons."

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What Passes for Miracles These Days Update:
An image of Jesus has been found in bird droppings on a car windshield in Brooklyn, Ohio.

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From the QT Archive of Knowledge:
+ There is no bourbon produced in Bourbon County, Ky.

Since: Aug 08

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#81091 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Why are these mutually exclusive?
Done right, you get both.
<quoted text>
How can it possibly be done right, when most folks basically pick the religion of their parents had or the one that is predominant in America, without giving much thought to learning about other religions?

Do you all really think you would be Christians if you were born in India or the Middle East? I bet out of all the folks who identify as being Christian on here, we'd be lucky if one of you were Christian if you were born in India or the Middle East, and even then it would likely be attributable to the fact that your parents were minority Christians.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#81092 Feb 25, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
I think the most important lessons that I learned at church, though, are love your neighbor as yourself and judge not lest ye be judged.
This. This right here is the basis for most religions.

Everything else is cultural. Unfortunately, it's the cultural stuff that gets peoples' blood boiling.

It's also how people can be good without god. The Golden Rule is really not that hard to follow.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81093 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Why?
And why must a person research different religions? If you experience one, and it "Feels" right then why bother? Why should picking a religion be equated with buying a car?
<quoted text>
And there it is. Why shop? Because then all you're doing is picking up a habit from someone else. No different than a family recipe or some other tradition. You do it because it's what you know and it's what you're comfortable with. By and large, religion-wise, people are whatever they're introduced to. There's no independent thought. If you're born into a Catholic family, you're Catholic. If you're born into a Jewish family, you're Jewish. If you're born in India, there's an 80% chance you're Hindu. If you're born in Ireland, there's an 87% chance you're Roman Catholic. If you're born in China, there's a 78% chance you're Buddhist. If you're born in the US, there's an 86% cance you're Christian. These religions all have meaningful differences, yet, people by and large just end up following the predominant religion of their community. If there was any real measure of independent thought and analysis, you wouldn't have country after country, region after region with 80% of its population subscribing to the same religion.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81094 Feb 25, 2013
And many religions share core traits, be kind to kittens, obey your parents, help the needy...

The major differences is how the religion is practiced. Yes there are also theological differences, and that relates to the history of the religion.

The difference between a jew and a christian is but a single man. They both have the same god.
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
How can it possibly be done right, when most folks basically pick the religion of their parents had or the one that is predominant in America, without giving much thought to learning about other religions?
Do you all really think you would be Christians if you were born in India or the Middle East? I bet out of all the folks who identify as being Christian on here, we'd be lucky if one of you were Christian if you were born in India or the Middle East, and even then it would likely be attributable to the fact that your parents were minority Christians.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#81095 Feb 25, 2013
Your lack of faith is obvious, and you and sub attempts to pigeon hole peoples choices for their faith is in my opinion simply your way of religion bashing.

What is your point about not knowing about other faiths that cripples these people? How are they more mentally stunted they yourself? You dont even have a faith, so who are you to preach?
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
<quoted text>
And there it is. Why shop? Because then all you're doing is picking up a habit from someone else. No different than a family recipe or some other tradition. You do it because it's what you know and it's what you're comfortable with. By and large, religion-wise, people are whatever they're introduced to. There's no independent thought. If you're born into a Catholic family, you're Catholic. If you're born into a Jewish family, you're Jewish. If you're born in India, there's an 80% chance you're Hindu. If you're born in Ireland, there's an 87% chance you're Roman Catholic. If you're born in China, there's a 78% chance you're Buddhist. If you're born in the US, there's an 86% cance you're Christian. These religions all have meaningful differences, yet, people by and large just end up following the predominant religion of their community. If there was any real measure of independent thought and analysis, you wouldn't have country after country, region after region with 80% of its population subscribing to the same religion.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81096 Feb 25, 2013
Totally not trying to steer the conversation away from religion but...quick poll:

Those of you that went away to college and stayed in a dorm, how often did you come home?

J and I had a blowout last night after SIL and her fiance left--SIL has been home at least once a month since she left for school. Since November, she's had her fiance with her every time, which means there's somebody sleeping in my living room every morning. I'm tired of houseguests. J doesn't see how it's an inconvenience. They come home Friday evening--about an hour after I get home from work and leave right as I'm about to go to bed Sunday night. That's my entire weekend.

Blowup occurred after SIL saw an invite we got for a first birthday party for a friend's kid in three weeks. SIL's all "Oh, I'll have to come back for that!" J's all "Yeah!"

Granted, they go out and do stuff when they're here, and I have my own social life, but fuuuuuuck. I don't want this go on for the next 3.5 years. I'm TIRED, y'all. Am I being unreasonable?

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#81097 Feb 25, 2013
I should add that we had at least 1 meal with them all three days, which was mostly fine. Like--eating around a table, quality time shiz. We did the Polar Plunge thing with them, which they were ill prepared for, prep wise--we had to help them decide what to bring, Fiance forgot a swimsuit so J let him borrow one (gross). My SIL was being a over-dramatic priss most of the weekend, and there was all the drama around Fiance losing his glasses.

So, me, every chance I get, I'm retreating to our bedroom, which J had a problem with. It was either that or drink.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81098 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
Totally not trying to steer the conversation away from religion but...quick poll:
Those of you that went away to college and stayed in a dorm, how often did you come home?
J and I had a blowout last night after SIL and her fiance left--SIL has been home at least once a month since she left for school. Since November, she's had her fiance with her every time, which means there's somebody sleeping in my living room every morning. I'm tired of houseguests. J doesn't see how it's an inconvenience. They come home Friday evening--about an hour after I get home from work and leave right as I'm about to go to bed Sunday night. That's my entire weekend.
Blowup occurred after SIL saw an invite we got for a first birthday party for a friend's kid in three weeks. SIL's all "Oh, I'll have to come back for that!" J's all "Yeah!"
Granted, they go out and do stuff when they're here, and I have my own social life, but fuuuuuuck. I don't want this go on for the next 3.5 years. I'm TIRED, y'all. Am I being unreasonable?
I'm fully on Team Matilda. Granted, I have an higher-than-normal aversion to houseguests, but even accounting for that, I think coming home from college that often is... well, too often. She should be focusing on making a life for herself there. And to bring another person along every time is asking too much of you and J (theoretically... I guess in reality, it's just you since he's cool - but I'll bet it would get old to him too after awhile).

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#81099 Feb 25, 2013
Random vent: I'm never waiting until 3 weeks out from a trip to book a flight again. It's a work trip so the insane price isn't coming out of my pocket, but I'm stuck with middle seats. To Vegas, so 4 separate flights and not a short amount of travel time.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81100 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
Your lack of faith is obvious, and you and sub attempts to pigeon hole peoples choices for their faith is in my opinion simply your way of religion bashing.
What is your point about not knowing about other faiths that cripples these people? How are they more mentally stunted they yourself? You dont even have a faith, so who are you to preach?
<quoted text>
Your insecurity is showing. I am not "bashing." I am sorry if your identity is so wrapped up in a tradition that you can't withstand a little critical thinking. I laid out a position and backed it up with statistics. And your persecution complex turns that into bashing and me calling people mentally stunted? Please show me where I said that. That's your insecure interpretation.

My point stands. There is seldom any analysis or critical thinking that goes into "choosing" a religion. The fact is that most people don't choose. Choosing implies that multiple options were considered, and a selection was made based on certain criteria. Most people don't choose, they adopt. Your parents are Christian, you're Christian. You parents are Hindu, you're Hindu. That's not bashing, that's just acknowledging reality.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#81101 Feb 25, 2013
RACE wrote:
How many atheists even know what a church or religion is all about? <quoted text>
::raises hand::
RACE wrote:
They only see the surface.<quoted text>


Not true for me.
RACE wrote:
Why should picking a religion be equated with buying a car?
<quoted text>
Agreed.

“FD&S is no way to be.”

Since: Feb 13

Knoxville, TN

#81102 Feb 25, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
Totally not trying to steer the conversation away from religion but...quick poll:
Those of you that went away to college and stayed in a dorm, how often did you come home?
J and I had a blowout last night after SIL and her fiance left--SIL has been home at least once a month since she left for school. Since November, she's had her fiance with her every time, which means there's somebody sleeping in my living room every morning. I'm tired of houseguests. J doesn't see how it's an inconvenience. They come home Friday evening--about an hour after I get home from work and leave right as I'm about to go to bed Sunday night. That's my entire weekend.
Blowup occurred after SIL saw an invite we got for a first birthday party for a friend's kid in three weeks. SIL's all "Oh, I'll have to come back for that!" J's all "Yeah!"
Granted, they go out and do stuff when they're here, and I have my own social life, but fuuuuuuck. I don't want this go on for the next 3.5 years. I'm TIRED, y'all. Am I being unreasonable?
They should be invited, not inviting themselves. You have certainly done more than your share for SIL. Why is J so willing to have her and the fiance around so often? I would have no problem planning a ladies night/weekend for the next time they are going to come visit, and if J enjoys having them around all weekend that much, he can have them all to himself.

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