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#80782
Feb 19, 2013
 
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Generally, yeah, but you do something that puts you in the spotlight world wide as this did? Just reaping what you sow.
He was old enough to know better.
He's just lucky it wasn't MY kid.
That's another way to look at it -- he put himself in that spotlight.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I"m glad he was fired. I think he deserved it. He also has a history of domestic abuse, apparently.
LikeI said, I'm not sorry for HIM, assuming he did it, I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Wait, what's this about? did I miss something?
DAmmit. First I post to the wrong date, then I forget the link.

http://consumerist.com/2013/02/19/mom-claims-...

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Feb 19, 2013
 
Sam I Am wrote:
OK, I have not seen a poll around here for awhile, so on this 15 degree day, I ask what about summer are you most looking forward to:
A) Wearing shorts/sundresses/sandals, etc.
B) Beer garden drinking/al fresco dining
C) Fun on the water
D) Grilling
E) Gardening
F) Outdoor concerts
G) Cubs games
H) Playing outdoor sports
I) Farmers markets
I am not going to be able to garden since we'll have no yard, so I am looking forward to A, B (the outdoor dining part), C, D, F, and I.
I am also looking forward to the first vacation in almost a decade. I went down for the wedding of my best friend's son, but not with Bear.
The last one we had together was with a friend, we went to SF in '96, the last one we had with just the two of us was our honeymoon ten years earlier. This is LONG overdue.
We're taking off as soon as my charge is picked up in June and going to do a loop down into CA hitting The Bay area, Central Coast, the desert to visit with the GoodEx, LA, then head back up through Nevada. Our real challenge is to not overbook ourselves, so we don't have to rush at all. I want this to be relaxing for both of us. And to be honest, I'm looking forward to Bear and GoodEx meeting at long last. The punning will be non-stop, I'm sure, but it'll be fun, too.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Re: the baby slapper: However, would they normally report on who your employer is? I guess I don't even see why that's pertinent to the story.
I'm fine iwth him being fired because he's a drunk asshole, but...
I don't know. I got a DWI and it didn't affect my employment, because my employer never found out -- I didn't miss any work other than a court date, which I could plan for in advance.
It also wasn't being passed around every facebook page, and wasn't a top story on international news programs. If they'd been interviewing witnesses to your arrest on Good Morning America, and The Today Show,(where their research staff would have found out where and for whom you worked) I doubt you could say that. If they didn't fire you for that directly, they could have likely manufactured a reason, or just laid you off and paid the UE benefits.

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#80787
Feb 19, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>LikeI said, I'm not sorry for HIM, assuming he did it, I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.
Do you have any idea how many rules and regulations were put on people about their private activities by employers in the past? It's much better now, but when my mom started teaching, there were a TON of things that teachers of both genders were prohibited from doing. If she hadn't already been married, more of them would have applied to her. Although those sorts of things were applied more often to women in the job force rather than men, there were plenty of jobs where people's private lives were under scrutiny, and breaking the rules meant termination and a bad reference if any at all.

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#80788
Feb 19, 2013
 
NWmoon wrote:
Do you have any idea how many rules and regulations were put on people about their private activities by employers in the past?
Is this supposed to change my opinion of the now? So you're saying it was worse in the past and I should be happy with the way it is now?

"Well, the school bully used to beat me up every morning and take my lunch money, but now he does it only on Thursday. I'm pretty stoked!"

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Mister Tonka wrote:
I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.
This is common and nothing new.

Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?

Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.

My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)

I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)

If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.

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#80790
Feb 19, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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This is common and nothing new.
Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?
Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.
My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)
I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)
If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.
The drinking thing they're walking a fine line. You could say you have a disease so they have to look at it that way first. I know most places don't but some do b/c of lawsuits. People will sue over anything. I don't know if anyone won, but...

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Feb 19, 2013
 
Toj wrote:
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The drinking thing they're walking a fine line. You could say you have a disease so they have to look at it that way first. I know most places don't but some do b/c of lawsuits. People will sue over anything. I don't know if anyone won, but...
I didn't think an employer had to accomodate alcoholism under ADA.

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<quoted text>I didn't think an employer had to accomodate alcoholism under ADA.
Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm

Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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This is common and nothing new.
Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?
Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.
My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)
I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)
If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.
IThere's somethingto be said fordue process. If kiddle porn is found ten tere is a crime that has been committed and jail time is in order. Job is the least concern.

I don't think yourco-worker should have been fired. I don't think you should lose your job for a dui (unless your job involves diving).

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#80794
Feb 19, 2013
 
Toj wrote:
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Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm
Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?
A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.
So if one of your executives misuses alcohol in public and it brings the company into disrepute does that mean the alcohol has adversely affected his job performance or conduct?

Which side of that would you like to argue?

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#80795
Feb 19, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Is this supposed to change my opinion of the now? So you're saying it was worse in the past and I should be happy with the way it is now?
"Well, the school bully used to beat me up every morning and take my lunch money, but now he does it only on Thursday. I'm pretty stoked!"
No, but I'm saying it is nothing new, and if you make an INTERNATIONAL public disgrace of yourself, you've only yourself to blame if your employers decide they don't want you representing their company after that.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>IThere's somethingto be said fordue process. If kiddle porn is found ten tere is a crime that has been committed and jail time is in order. Job is the least concern.
I don't think yourco-worker should have been fired. I don't think you should lose your job for a dui (unless your job involves diving).
I'm not going to bother trying HTML, so...

Edog made the following statements:

"Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?"

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"My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock ...."

I don't understand why you see these as different. In both instances, crimes were committed.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't think an employer had to accomodate alcoholism under ADA.
Some union contracts have that included, but I don't think it's something that all employers have to consider.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
Oops, didn't see Toj's post.

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I'm not going to bother trying HTML, so...
Edog made the following statements:
"Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?"
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"My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock ...."
I don't understand why you see these as different. In both instances, crimes were committed.
1) kiddie porn on a kindergarten teacher's computer has diret bearing on whether that person is fot for the job duties.
2) Due process. Are we now ok with firing people at the APPEARANCE of impropriety? What if it was a neighbor hacked into her unsecure wifi network and using her pc unbeknownst to her.
3) I can't imagine someone convicted of any type of kiddie porn crime not getting jail time. You go to jail, you lose your job.
4)Gun crime guy. What was his crime? Gun crime is very vague. Did he rob someone? Did he buy a weapon on the black market? Did he go target shooting in his back yard and violate some ordinance? It does not sound like it was someting serious enough to warrant jail time otherwise we would not even be discussing him getting fired. Sure a crime was committed, but what bearing does it have on his abiity to do his job? Red said she got a DUI, but did not affect her job cause they did not know about it. Are you saying she should have lost her job? If you're not brandishing firearms or driving drunk while on the job, why should it be your employer's business?

Back to the dude in question. He was alleged to have made a racist comment. Despicable. Assuming its true, are you in favor of firing racists that don't say or do anything racist while on the job?

He smacked some kid. the fact that it wasn't his kid makes it despicable. Assuming its true. Does the fact that it was a child make a difference or would striking another adult be just as bad? Are you in favor of firing a good employee who strikes someone in his personal time? A fight at a party?

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Feb 19, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>1) kiddie porn on a kindergarten teacher's computer has diret bearing on whether that person is fot for the job duties.
2) Due process. Are we now ok with firing people at the APPEARANCE of impropriety? What if it was a neighbor hacked into her unsecure wifi network and using her pc unbeknownst to her.
3) I can't imagine someone convicted of any type of kiddie porn crime not getting jail time. You go to jail, you lose your job.
4)Gun crime guy. What was his crime? Gun crime is very vague. Did he rob someone? Did he buy a weapon on the black market? Did he go target shooting in his back yard and violate some ordinance? It does not sound like it was someting serious enough to warrant jail time otherwise we would not even be discussing him getting fired. Sure a crime was committed, but what bearing does it have on his abiity to do his job? Red said she got a DUI, but did not affect her job cause they did not know about it. Are you saying she should have lost her job? If you're not brandishing firearms or driving drunk while on the job, why should it be your employer's business?

Back to the dude in question. He was alleged to have made a racist comment. Despicable. Assuming its true, are you in favor of firing racists that don't say or do anything racist while on the job?

He smacked some kid. the fact that it wasn't his kid makes it despicable. Assuming its true. Does the fact that it was a child make a difference or would striking another adult be just as bad? Are you in favor of firing a good employee who strikes someone in his personal time? A fight at a party?
Aaaaahhhh! I have not researched or formed opinions on the scenarios you presented.

I just didn't understand why you saw kiddie porn and gun crimes differently in this context, and you explained, and I see your point.

Thank you.
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Feb 19, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
1) kiddie porn on a kindergarten teacher's computer has diret bearing on whether that person is fot for the job duties.
2) Due process. Are we now ok with firing people at the APPEARANCE of impropriety? What if it was a neighbor hacked into her unsecure wifi network and using her pc unbeknownst to her.
3) I can't imagine someone convicted of any type of kiddie porn crime not getting jail time. You go to jail, you lose your job.
Being charged with a crime and going to jail for it could take months. Sometimes years. Should they lose their jobs beforehand? Ask Mary Kay Letourneau or gov Blagojevich or Jessie Jackson Jr. or Drew Peterson.
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4)Gun crime guy. What was his crime? Gun crime is very vague.
He shoved his girlfriend to the ground, pulled a handgun from his waist, and fired five shots into the air.(All of which is still illegal here... Dam liberals...)
Mister Tonka wrote:
are you in favor of firing racists that don't say or do anything racist while on the job?
Does the fact that it was a child make a difference or would striking another adult be just as bad? Are you in favor of firing a good employee who strikes someone in his personal time? A fight at a party?
No. Yes. Maybe. Depends.

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