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#80818 Feb 20, 2013
Nick's oldest is getting eye surgery this morning.

Last night I bought two albums on itunes -- King's X "Gretchen GOes to nebraska" and Crooked Fingers' "Bring on the Snakes." I love replacing lost CDs!!!

It's very boring at work. Half the people are out at training all week.

Since: Jan 10

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#80819 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Incorrect. If he's the president, who fired him?
The story I posted had a statement from his company saying he was a "business unit executive".
The initial reports said he was president, but I Think they changed that later on.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#80820 Feb 20, 2013
Sweet! I'm a protected species!

Toj wrote:
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Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm
Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?
A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#80821 Feb 20, 2013
If the guy is at work thats all anyone should be concerned about.
edogxxx wrote:
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A man carries around a loaded gun and you're concerned with his "job performance?"

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#80822 Feb 20, 2013
And besides mutt, kinda stupid to carry around an unloaded gun, aint it?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#80823 Feb 20, 2013
Exactly! Now can you tell us why?
edogxxx wrote:
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So it's okay to lose your job if you get sent to jail, but not if you only get probation?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#80824 Feb 20, 2013
Pellen,
Alcoholism is classified as a disease. That's why they can get away with using the ADA as a crutch.
My experience with alcoholics has been nothing but negative and they are the worst people in the world to have to deal with, IMHO.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#80825 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Maybe? So if I drink on myt personal time then "maybe" I'm drinking at work too. What he does with his weapon off the clock is not the boss's business.
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Kinda? Did he ever knock anyone down? Threaten anyone? Pull out his gun? Was ther ever any cause in the workplace for someone to fear him for their safety?
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Race carries a loaded gun. So do many Americans. Aren't you one of the people that trumpets about the liberals trying to take away your guns? Now you have a problem with someone who carries a loaded weapon? How hard is it to talk with both sides of your mouth so full of shit? If he's not bringing that waepon into the workplace, its none of the boss man's concern.
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<quoted text> Well if he's not firing off weapons and knocking people to the ground at work, what's the big deal?
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No. I don't remember 50 Shades of Grey. I don't read mommy porn.
1- should teachers, police officers, et al, be put on suspension during an investigation of serious allegations, or should they continue serving the public?

2- If you are a "drunk," a certified alcoholic, then it is very possible you can either show up to work drunk, or drink on the job. Again, fifty shades of gray, you are wanting only black and white.

3- if you are a violent criminal, it most certainly IS your boss's business. Just because he never actually pulled his gun on people at work, doesn't mean it would never happen.

4- I have a problem with CRIMINALS carrying a loaded weapon anywhere.

Quit being a deliberately obtuse @zz.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#80826 Feb 20, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Nick's oldest is getting eye surgery this morning.
Last night I bought two albums on itunes -- King's X "Gretchen GOes to nebraska" and Crooked Fingers' "Bring on the Snakes." I love replacing lost CDs!!!
It's very boring at work. Half the people are out at training all week.
Dickie loves King's X. I'd never heard of them before I met him.

Have you ever heard Infectious Grooves? It's a couple folks from Suicidal Tendencies and the drummer from Jane's Addiction. They only really made one real album, but it is good. Can probably find it cheap too.

Since: Jan 10

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#80827 Feb 20, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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Dickie loves King's X. I'd never heard of them before I met him.
Have you ever heard Infectious Grooves? It's a couple folks from Suicidal Tendencies and the drummer from Jane's Addiction. They only really made one real album, but it is good. Can probably find it cheap too.
I have most of King's X, and Gretchen and Faith/Hope/Love are my favorites!

I haven't heard of Infectious Grooves -_ i'm emailing that to hotmail so I can check themout later! Thanks!

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80828 Feb 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
1- should teachers, police officers, et al, be put on suspension during an investigation of serious allegations, or should they continue serving the public?
Suspension does equal being fired. I am against firing someone over an allegation. If you want to suspend someone pending the outcome of an investigation, fine. Just keep paying them until they have been proven guilty of some wrong doing.
edogxxx wrote:
2- If you are a "drunk," a certified alcoholic, then it is very possible you can either show up to work drunk, or drink on the job.
This country is full of weekend warriors who get toasted on friday and saturday night but have zero problem staying away from the booze during the work week. Your analogy is ludicrous.
edogxxx wrote:
3- if you are a violent criminal, it most certainly IS your boss's business. Just because he never actually pulled his gun on people at work, doesn't mean it would never happen.
If you are a violent criminal, that is the law's responsibility to punish. You've still been very vague as to whether or not your co-worker served jail time. If he did, then fire his ass. Not holding a job open for someone in jail.
edogxxx wrote:
I have a problem with CRIMINALS carrying a loaded weapon anywhere.
Are they breaking the law by carrying that weapon? Then call the cops. If htey are not breaking the law, its none of your f'n business.
edogxxx wrote:
Quit being a deliberately obtuse @zz.
Here, let me hold this mirror up for you.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80829 Feb 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
Sweet! I'm a protected species!
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Clarification: you may be in a protected class, but given the combination of booze and the guns and the boat you are an endangered species.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#80830 Feb 20, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>So if one of your executives misuses alcohol in public and it brings the company into disrepute does that mean the alcohol has adversely affected his job performance or conduct?
Which side of that would you like to argue?
I think a company would put a spin on it depending how valuable that executive is to the company. If he's someone that no one really wants to have around, they'll can him I bet.

If he was important and his knowledge a great value to the company, they'll call it a sickness and send him to rehab and applaud his personal integrity in that he is asking and getting help and helping himself when it's needed.

Anything can be spun.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#80831 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Incorrect. If he's the president, who fired him?
The story I posted had a statement from his company saying he was a "business unit executive".
The board of directors usually has the duty to fire a president of a company.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#80832 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> Suspension does equal being fired. I am against firing someone over an allegation. If you want to suspend someone pending the outcome of an investigation, fine. Just keep paying them until they have been proven guilty of some wrong doing.
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This country is full of weekend warriors who get toasted on friday and saturday night but have zero problem staying away from the booze during the work week. Your analogy is ludicrous.
<quoted text>If you are a violent criminal, that is the law's responsibility to punish. You've still been very vague as to whether or not your co-worker served jail time. If he did, then fire his ass. Not holding a job open for someone in jail.
<quoted text> Are they breaking the law by carrying that weapon? Then call the cops. If htey are not breaking the law, its none of your f'n business.
<quoted text> Here, let me hold this mirror up for you.
1- YOU might not agree with it, but too bad, that's how it is.

2- It is not ludicrous at all. You obviously know nothing about substance abuse.

3- don't see how jail time or not is even relevant.

4- The cops were called an an arrest was made. What is your point?

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#80833 Feb 20, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Pellen,
Alcoholism is classified as a disease. That's why they can get away with using the ADA as a crutch.
My experience with alcoholics has been nothing but negative and they are the worst people in the world to have to deal with, IMHO.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
In your situation, I can understand. You see a lot of the damage that is done.

But everyone has a story and I would not want some people's life. Some people have no support, nobody positive in their life. They have an addiction and no idea, direction or even education to know that you can overcome the addiction.

Some people have support but the addiction snuck up to them until they are a full blown alcoholic.

I can't put everyone in the same classification.

Since: Jan 10

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#80834 Feb 20, 2013
Toj wrote:
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I think a company would put a spin on it depending how valuable that executive is to the company. If he's someone that no one really wants to have around, they'll can him I bet.
If he was important and his knowledge a great value to the company, they'll call it a sickness and send him to rehab and applaud his personal integrity in that he is asking and getting help and helping himself when it's needed.
Anything can be spun.
I agree.

Since: Jan 10

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#80835 Feb 20, 2013
how unfazed areRussian? Daily show clip - hilarious - sent to me by a Russian friend:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showt...

Worth the watch -- and stay to the end to see the cows and the tank!

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#80836 Feb 20, 2013
You have so little faith in me. By your account it's amazing I have not gotten drunk, driven into a bridge and shot myself all at the same time.
PEllen wrote:
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Clarification: you may be in a protected class, but given the combination of booze and the guns and the boat you are an endangered species.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80837 Feb 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
You have so little faith in me. By your account it's amazing I have not gotten drunk, driven into a bridge and shot myself all at the same time.
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2 out of 3 wouldn't surprise me at all.

I am only joshing you a little bit. You sound responsible here, but the combination of intoxicants, guns and vehicles can be lethal.

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