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Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#80800 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>1) kiddie porn on a kindergarten teacher's computer has diret bearing on whether that person is fot for the job duties.
2) Due process. Are we now ok with firing people at the APPEARANCE of impropriety? What if it was a neighbor hacked into her unsecure wifi network and using her pc unbeknownst to her.
3) I can't imagine someone convicted of any type of kiddie porn crime not getting jail time. You go to jail, you lose your job.
4)Gun crime guy. What was his crime? Gun crime is very vague. Did he rob someone? Did he buy a weapon on the black market? Did he go target shooting in his back yard and violate some ordinance? It does not sound like it was someting serious enough to warrant jail time otherwise we would not even be discussing him getting fired. Sure a crime was committed, but what bearing does it have on his abiity to do his job? Red said she got a DUI, but did not affect her job cause they did not know about it. Are you saying she should have lost her job? If you're not brandishing firearms or driving drunk while on the job, why should it be your employer's business?

Back to the dude in question. He was alleged to have made a racist comment. Despicable. Assuming its true, are you in favor of firing racists that don't say or do anything racist while on the job?

He smacked some kid. the fact that it wasn't his kid makes it despicable. Assuming its true. Does the fact that it was a child make a difference or would striking another adult be just as bad? Are you in favor of firing a good employee who strikes someone in his personal time? A fight at a party?
Aaaaahhhh! I have not researched or formed opinions on the scenarios you presented.

I just didn't understand why you saw kiddie porn and gun crimes differently in this context, and you explained, and I see your point.

Thank you.
:)

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#80801 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
1) kiddie porn on a kindergarten teacher's computer has diret bearing on whether that person is fot for the job duties.
2) Due process. Are we now ok with firing people at the APPEARANCE of impropriety? What if it was a neighbor hacked into her unsecure wifi network and using her pc unbeknownst to her.
3) I can't imagine someone convicted of any type of kiddie porn crime not getting jail time. You go to jail, you lose your job.
Being charged with a crime and going to jail for it could take months. Sometimes years. Should they lose their jobs beforehand? Ask Mary Kay Letourneau or gov Blagojevich or Jessie Jackson Jr. or Drew Peterson.
Mister Tonka wrote:
4)Gun crime guy. What was his crime? Gun crime is very vague.
He shoved his girlfriend to the ground, pulled a handgun from his waist, and fired five shots into the air.(All of which is still illegal here... Dam liberals...)
Mister Tonka wrote:
are you in favor of firing racists that don't say or do anything racist while on the job?
Does the fact that it was a child make a difference or would striking another adult be just as bad? Are you in favor of firing a good employee who strikes someone in his personal time? A fight at a party?
No. Yes. Maybe. Depends.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80802 Feb 19, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Being charged with a crime and going to jail for it could take months. Sometimes years.
So people should lose their jobs for being charged with a crime? What if they are not convicted? What if they are falsely accused? If they cannot earn any income, you gona pay their expenses? Feed them? House them?

Should Kobe have been kicked off the Lakers for a booty call that accused him of rape? He's never been convicted of that crime?

What about the Duke Lacrosse team accused of rape? Came to light that the DA ignored the facts and wanted to make a high profile example of them regardless of their innocence.

But you're ok with a speedy job loss because justice is not swift enough for you?
edogxxx wrote:
He shoved his girlfriend to the ground, pulled a handgun from his waist, and fired five shots into the air.(All of which is still illegal here... Dam liberals...)
Was he bringing a weapon into the workplace? Was he a hot head at work? Apparently his crime did not warrant any jail time. I don't see how it pertains to his job performance.

"No" - Racist remarks. Cool with the dog. big surprise.

"Yes" - Striking a child. Bad.

"Maybe" - Firing a good employee who stikes someone. And what is your criteria for choosing either yes or no?

"Depends" - Same thing. What is your criteria for deterimining if a fight during your personal time is a firable offense.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#80803 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
So people should lose their jobs for being charged with a crime? What if they are not convicted? What if they are falsely accused? If they cannot earn any income, you gona pay their expenses? Feed them? House them?
Should Kobe have been kicked off the Lakers for a booty call that accused him of rape? He's never been convicted of that crime?
What about the Duke Lacrosse team accused of rape? Came to light that the DA ignored the facts and wanted to make a high profile example of them regardless of their innocence.
But you're ok with a speedy job loss because justice is not swift enough for you?
I see you've completely ignored the rest of the relevant points of the question.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Was he bringing a weapon into the workplace?
Maybe.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Was he a hot head at work?
Kinda.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Apparently his crime did not warrant any jail time.
Who said it didn't?
Mister Tonka wrote:
I don't see how it pertains to his job performance.
A man carries around a loaded gun and you're concerned with his "job performance?"
Mister Tonka wrote:
"No" - Racist remarks. Cool with the dog. big surprise.
Initially, I was gonna ask if he didn't show any racism at work, how would anyone know he's a racist? But I know you'd probably counter with maybe his boss saw his social media page or blog with him dressed as KKK. But if he doesn't show any at work (which is unlikely) then what's the big deal?
Mister Tonka wrote:
"Yes" - Striking a child. Bad.
Or an adult, which was the other part of your question.
Mister Tonka wrote:
"Maybe" - Firing a good employee who stikes someone. And what is your criteria for choosing either yes or no?
"Depends" - Same thing. What is your criteria for deterimining if a fight during your personal time is a firable offense.
Zactly. Remember the fifty shades of gray, tonks. Things aren't always as simple as black and white.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80804 Feb 19, 2013
Tonka-
My new computer arrives tomorrow.Nice and clean.Windows 7.What should I load on it?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80805 Feb 19, 2013
PEllen wrote:
Tonka-
My new computer arrives tomorrow.Nice and clean.Windows 7.What should I load on it?
Hmmmm...free stuff?
-Drop Box(lets you share files between your pc and phone(or other device) thu the cloud
-Picasa (photo albums software)
-Google Music Manager(if you store music on your PC and want access to your entire library from your phone)
-Spotify(If you listen to music on your PC and want free access to whatever you want ie: stuff you don't own)
-Skype if you video chat with relatives
-Quicktime just so you can view any videos on the web in that format
-adobe reader
-classic shell (if you on't like the start menu and prefer the old windows 98 style)

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80806 Feb 19, 2013
microsoft security essential
free
has gotten reviews comparable to "for a price" antivirus software.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80807 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
Apparently his crime did not warrant any jail time.
edogxxx wrote:
Who said it didn't?
Well hell, no one should expect to still have a job after serving jail time regardless of the crime. No one's saving your position for you. That's a whole lot different than getting convicted of a crime but getting sentenced t probations but keeping your freedon and not having to miss a day of work.

Two completely seperate scenarios.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#80808 Feb 20, 2013

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#80809 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Well hell, no one should expect to still have a job after serving jail time regardless of the crime. No one's saving your position for you. That's a whole lot different than getting convicted of a crime but getting sentenced t probations but keeping your freedon and not having to miss a day of work.
Two completely seperate scenarios.
So it's okay to lose your job if you get sent to jail, but not if you only get probation?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80810 Feb 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's okay to lose your job if you get sent to jail, but not if you only get probation?
yes. your employer should only be concerned with your ability to do the job you are being paid to do. can't do your job from jail
dahgts

Chicago, IL

#80811 Feb 20, 2013
This guy on the plane was the president of his company. High profile for a company who is in business to make money. If the perception of him is that he did the deeds on the plane then it will be very difficult for him to hold the respect of clients and employees. This impedes the business of the company. Guilty or not guilty, they were right to remove him from that position. Drunk, racist, hitting a child? All of this combined makes the case. It's all in the perception within the company.

This is different from a clerk or some other lower level job. Like it or not, that is the nature of business.

Idaho is known for being a center for skinheads and KKK/Aryan type groups.

Since: Jan 10

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#80812 Feb 20, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm
Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?
A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.
I worked for a subcontractor of the federal government and any fired employee had to be asked whether he had a substance abuse problem and needed help. If he said yes,then there were steps to follow. If he said no,then he was out the door.

We were required by the federal government to do that.

Since: Jan 10

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#80813 Feb 20, 2013
I saw on the news this morning that he's now been banned from flying.

I am hoping this incideent is his "rock bottom" and he gets help for his drinking and anger problems.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80814 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
So people should lose their jobs for being charged with a crime? What if they are not convicted? What if they are falsely accused? If they cannot earn any income, you gona pay their expenses? Feed them? House them?
Should Kobe have been kicked off the Lakers for a booty call that accused him of rape? He's never been convicted of that crime?
What about the Duke Lacrosse team accused of rape? Came to light that the DA ignored the facts and wanted to make a high profile example of them regardless of their innocence.
But you're ok with a speedy job loss because justice is not swift enough for you?
edogxxx wrote:
I see you've completely ignored the rest of the relevant points of the question.
Guess I'm answering edogg style. What were the relevant points in your eyes?

[QUOTE who="Mister Tonka"]Was he bringing a weapon into the workplace?
edogxxx wrote:
Maybe.
Maybe? So if I drink on myt personal time then "maybe" I'm drinking at work too. What he does with his weapon off the clock is not the boss's business.
Mister Tonka wrote:
Was he a hot head at work?
edogxxx wrote:
Kinda.
Kinda? Did he ever knock anyone down? Threaten anyone? Pull out his gun? Was ther ever any cause in the workplace for someone to fear him for their safety?
Mister Tonka wrote:
I don't see how it pertains to his job performance.
edogxxx wrote:
A man carries around a loaded gun and you're concerned with his "job performance?"
Race carries a loaded gun. So do many Americans. Aren't you one of the people that trumpets about the liberals trying to take away your guns? Now you have a problem with someone who carries a loaded weapon? How hard is it to talk with both sides of your mouth so full of shit? If he's not bringing that waepon into the workplace, its none of the boss man's concern.
Mister Tonka wrote:
"No" - Racist remarks. Cool with the dog. big surprise.
edogxxx wrote:
Initially, I was gonna ask if he didn't show any racism at work, how would anyone know he's a racist? But I know you'd probably counter with maybe his boss saw his social media page or blog with him dressed as KKK. But if he doesn't show any at work (which is unlikely) then what's the big deal?
Well if he's not firing off weapons and knocking people to the ground at work, what's the big deal?
Mister Tonka wrote:
"Maybe" - Firing a good employee who stikes someone. And what is your criteria for choosing either yes or no?
"Depends" - Same thing. What is your criteria for deterimining if a fight during your personal time is a firable offense.
edogxxx wrote:
Zactly. Remember the fifty shades of gray, tonks. Things aren't always as simple as black and white.
No. I don't remember 50 Shades of Grey. I don't read mommy porn.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80815 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
microsoft security essential
free
has gotten reviews comparable to "for a price" antivirus software.
Thanks. I had that on the old one based on Consumer Reports and it seemed effective.
You gave me an IE add on for a spell checker a couple years ago. Do you remember which one it was?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80816 Feb 20, 2013
dahgts wrote:
This guy on the plane was the president of his company.
Incorrect. If he's the president, who fired him?
The story I posted had a statement from his company saying he was a "business unit executive".

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80817 Feb 20, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. I had that on the old one based on Consumer Reports and it seemed effective.
You gave me an IE add on for a spell checker a couple years ago. Do you remember which one it was?
http://download.cnet.com/ieSpe ll/3000-12512_4-10208550.html? part=14291&subj=dlpage &tag=button

Since: Jan 10

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#80818 Feb 20, 2013
Nick's oldest is getting eye surgery this morning.

Last night I bought two albums on itunes -- King's X "Gretchen GOes to nebraska" and Crooked Fingers' "Bring on the Snakes." I love replacing lost CDs!!!

It's very boring at work. Half the people are out at training all week.

Since: Jan 10

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#80819 Feb 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect. If he's the president, who fired him?
The story I posted had a statement from his company saying he was a "business unit executive".
The initial reports said he was president, but I Think they changed that later on.

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